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Weird Editorial Sings Praises of Payday Lenders

by: Colorado Pols

Thu Feb 25, 2010 at 09:46:36 AM MST


The Boulder Daily Camera isn't a news outlet you'd expect to have a particularly conservative editorial board, and through writer Erika Stutzman they generally deliver an editorial view consistent with the liberal Boulder residents they serve.

Now Boulder is a pretty unique place, of course, and while self-described as 'progressive' Boulder has some of the highest costs of living, as well as chronic shortages of affordable housing, anywhere outside of the ski resort towns in Colorado. There's an argument to be made that many of the social and economic problems experienced elsewhere in Colorado are not really absent from Boulder, just exported to less expensive places where many of the city's workers actually live.

And we're willing to guess there are fewer payday loan shops per capita in Boulder, too. Which brings us to today's Daily Camera editorial and its fascinatingly lobbyist-consistent talking points:

Payday lending has a seamy reputation with some, so we hope voters will not be fooled: This is a terrible bill.

The fees on payday loans are certainly high when compared to annual interest rates. But they are not longterm loans. They are limited to $500, and due on the customer's next payday -- typically in two weeks. If you took out the full $500, you would pay a maximum of $75 for the privilege of using money you haven't earned yet.

They are, essentially, emergency funds for people with steady jobs who haven't yet earned the money they need. Who are these people? Well, employed folks, for one. No paycheck, no loan. More than half attended college; and the average household income is $55,000 a year...

Now this is important: Bill proponents say that most Colorado borrowers are using the payday loans more than once a month.

It's not true. Let's kill that rumor now: According to the attorney general's office, 303,462 took out payday loans in 2008. Only 5.8 percent of them took out 13 or more loans of up to $500. Compare that to the number of people who carry a balance on credit cards without a $500 cap. The Federal Reserve says it's 58 percent of the card-carrying U.S. households. Seventy-five U.S. households have credit cards.

And 72 percent of all Colorado payday borrowers took out between one loan and six loans.

Let's start with the biggest "WTF" logical inconsistency in this editorial: Stutzman starts by trying to differentiate the fees charged by payday lenders from annualized interest rates by claiming they are "not longterm loans." But then she tries to justify the practice of rolling over these "short term" loans by comparing them to credit cards, where the interest rate is...well, you might not like your rates these days but they aren't anything close to 500%. Whose case did she just prove?

And let's see: 72% of Colorado payday loan customers took out "between 1 and 6 loans." That's a pretty broad range, don't you think? We'll be interested in seeing how many are closer to one loan as opposed to six, but rolling over a $75 fee on a $500 loan six times means you've paid $450 in interest "fees" to borrow $500 for three months. Any prior generation of Americans would call that "loansharking" without batting an eye.

Stutzman concludes by warning that nefarious real banks have explored alternatives to payday loans, offering (wait for it) longer term advances, and substantially lower rates. For reasons not explained in this editorial, this is apparently a bad thing? Very odd. Better loan terms is the 'pain' we'll suffer if payday lending shops are forced to comply with the same usury laws as other lenders? Pretty much all we needed to feel certain this editorial was the product of some quality time with representatives of the Community Financial Services Association (CFSA)--since nobody else would possibly consider a better deal for consumers to be, you know, a problem.

To be clear, we're certainly not alleging any kind of conspiracy or unethical behavior on Stutzman's part. The fact is, this kind of thing happens all the time, lobbyists are continuously shopping editorial boards with their talking points. Hopefully, next time she'll take a few minutes to think critically before paraphrasing a bunch of nonsense right up with a pretty bow.

Here's our single talking point right back at the CFSA: stop spamming us.

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Coloradans win or lose depending on the outcome, so might Illegal Aliens
Let us analyze who cashes checks at these places and what type of checks?  Its anybody who doesn't have a formal banking relationship (for whatever reason), right?

One would think these are the users that likely use the payday function.  The other market segments include those who need just a bit of micro finance to bridge the gap of credit damaging NSF charges from their checking account or some other short-term need.  You're still with me, right?

Many will argue that the real target market for payday loans are a bunch of white trash welfare mothers and meth dealing illegal alien fathers.  

Now don't get me wrong, earning profits from this market segment or the gal that doesn't want the NSF charge and resulting credit score hit is commendable.  These businesses serve a purpose and fill a need in the marketplace.

My guess is if you Democrats shutter these businesses (payday lenders), then maybe - just maybe another tool of support for residents of Sanctuary City will force them to depart for the warmer confines of Santa Fe or Phoenix.  

The upside on this last tidbit of market impact is you'll drive out the illegal alien crowd.  

On the downside, you'll also develop a local street-level black market for micro finance.  

Worse, you'll also hurt the gal wanting to avoid a NSF charges and hurt her credit score.  

Whichever way you go, good luck.


Are you going to spam
every payday lending thread with this same nonsense?

[ Parent ]
What nonsense, the facts are the facts
This was very interesting information
303,462 took out payday loans in 2008. Only 5.8 percent of them took out 13 or more loans of up to $500. Compare that to the number of people who carry a balance on credit cards without a $500 cap. The Federal Reserve says it's 58 percent of the card-carrying U.S. households. Seventy-five U.S. households have credit cards.

Read more: Payday lending in Colorado: Regulations are tough enough - Boulder Daily Camera http://www.dailycamera.com/edi...

I'm looking for discussion and in typical fashion you're looking to agree with progress now action networks talking points.

As I've said before ...if you Democrats shutter these payday lenders, then maybe - just maybe another tool of support will disappear for the Illegal Aliens of Sanctuary City.  It will force them to depart for the warmer confines of Santa Fe or Phoenix.  

On the downside, you'll also develop a local street-level black market for micro finance.  

Worse, you'll also hurt the gal wanting to avoid a NSF charges and hurt her credit score.  

Again, whichever way you go good luck, but you should consider all the ramifications.


[ Parent ]
I think you already posted that, twice
You should get a job as a payday loan spammer.  Your posts make as much sense and are just as repetitive and annoying.

And you can probably still do it from Mommy's basement.  

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[ Parent ]
The short answer, if I read Libertad's response correctly
Is Yes.


Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010


[ Parent ]
The Camera is known for doing op/ed pieces from out of left field
Since it's owned by E.W. Scripps Co., they manage to stick a few editorials into the Camera that you wouldn't expect to see there.

For instance, last year they endorsed Libertad's favorite: Amendment 47.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)


I think the Denver Post now owns the Camera.


[ Parent ]
I hadn't heard about that
This 2/14/10 AP article on Freedom Communications trying buy up a bunch of Phoenix, AZ media outlets mentions Randy Miller selling the Camera to EW Scripps in 2005, but doesn't mention any further sales.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
Singleton now owns Daily Camera

MediaNews Now Owns Boulder Daily Camera, Others
February 27, 2009, 11:06 am
Filed under: Boulder Daily Camera, Denver Post, MediaNews Group

Part of the fallout of Scripps' decision to shutter the Rocky Mountain News is that MediaNews will take full ownership of several Colorado newspapers, including the Boulder Daily Camera, the Colorado Daily and the Broomfield Enterprise. Alicia Wallace and Ryan Huff at the Boulder Daily Camera have the details.


[ Parent ]
Thanks Bob
I hadn't heard about that. Something tells me the editorial board won't have to shift too much on issues like this one. :)

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
It was part of the buy-out
of the JOA. Scripps is gone ... real shame so many papers are under the control of one very opinionated guy. (The Post owns a number of the papers out on the Plains too.)

[ Parent ]
There are times I'm embarrassed to live in Boulder
this is one of them. It's not just taking the side of predators, but doing so with nonsensical reasons.

Tom Tancredo Interview

any time I read any comments on a Daily Camera story....
I'm embarrassed to live here.   So I try not to, but it's like watching a train wreck sometimes.  My fave is when a rock climber dies or is seriously injured in a fall and people jump in to call him stupid, he deserved it, etc.  Best was when Greg Franta (very well-respected professional in town) died in a single-car accident on 93 and multiple commenters couldn't help themselves from trying to turn the knife into his grieving family's sides.  Classic stuff.



In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
and if you want to see what I mean....
a baby just died in Longmont.  You'd think the comments would be all of condolences.  You'd be wrong:

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_...

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Stutzman responds
Dunno if anybody saw this yet, but here's Daily Camera editorial board editor Stutzman responding to Pols:

I stand by everything in the editorial. And they are entitled to their opinion, however erroneous and off the mark it is (last time I checked, the Colorado Attorney General's office was not in fact a "lobbyist," but whatever.)

Their suggestion to think critically is very, very important. I wish more people would.

I think she's a little miffed at you guys. :)

Repeat after me: "I have never supported Dan Maes.  I have always supported [Dick Wadhams to fill in the blank]." --ClubTwitty


the Colorado Attorney General's office was not in fact a "lobbyist," but whatever
When it's trying to influence legislation it is, but whatever.

[ Parent ]
John Suthers, "Industry" Spokesman
The industry says putting an annual interest rate cap on their two-week, small emergency loans will kill the industry in Colorado. We believe them.

Did Suthers tell her what "the industry" says too? Either Suthers is one hell of an asset to the payday lending industry, or Erika Stutzman was a few notches short of completely honest in her reply.

It's OK Erika, like the Guvs say everybody knows the lobbyists are calling you. Just try not to make it so obvious next time.


[ Parent ]
Boulder not progressive at all....
I think that Pols made an acute observation right at the start of this post about Boulder.  They fashion themselves as progressives, but they often lose sight of what this means in practice.  I know this is an common complaint about Boulder, but it really is true.

All the town housing and land use policies force the regular working folk to live in surrounding communities, and I think that it is intentional. Boulder likes to keep the rif-raff out.  And by "rif-raff" I mean anyone making less than 100K a year.

Rant over.  

"the Constitution has also become outdated in many respects and needs to be revised--and possibly rewritten from scratch!" --JO


That's putting it mildly
When during the City Council elections I bring up the policies necessary to keep Boulder somewhat affordable, no candidate dare agree with them because they then lose the key Sierra Club endorsement. Or as a friend of mine put it "we in Boulder would live next to black people - if they could afford it."

We probably have more payday loan store owners than customers in Boulder. Erika is rationalizing from a point of view that never sees the inside of a payday loan store.

Tom Tancredo Interview


[ Parent ]
please
You mean except for the many trailer parks, all of which are off-limits by the city to any attempt to upgrade them?  Just because a shit shack in Martin Acres costs more than the same place in Louisville isn't because the gov of Boulder is keeping the price high, it's because there's far more demand to live in Boulder than in the L's.  It's called supply and demand.  

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
I used to live in a Martin Acres shit shack, indipol
And let me tell you, that is some high class living. [/snark]

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
yep, and at one time I lived in...
a shitty $750K house in Goss/Grove in the student ghetto.  And it was all the city's fault that the house had such a high value


In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
The slums of South Boulder...


"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
If one is going to make the argument for payday loans
the way the Boulder rag is doing it is not the right approach. The argument would be to point out that the ordinary financial world can be very tough on you for being just a few dollars short.

Say that earlier today you wrote four checks at five different stories for $60 each as you sought to maximize the deals you got, and also wrote a $100 check for a minimum payment (the balance is $2,000) on one of your six credit cards (the other five have a combined $10,000 balance).  Then, you discover that due to a mistake that you made in balancing your checkbook (your forgot include your direct withdrawal utility bill, cell phone bill and car payment) that you have only $55 dollars in your checking account, not $405 as you thought you did.

If the choice is between a $350 payday loan and (1) six bounced check fees from the people you gave the checks to (of $20 each), (2) six bounced check fees from your bank (of $20 each), (3) seeing the promotional 5% interest rate for one year on the credit card you paid jump to a 25% default rate (a cost of $400 a cost of a year of payments until you can get it back down to a regular rate), and (4) seeing the regular 15% interest rate for your other five credit cards jump to a 25% default rate because a default on any card triggers all of them (a cost of $1000 for a year until you can get it back down to a regular rate).  Indeed, it is worse than that because the default on your credit card will also taint your credit, causing the interest rate on the 30 year $100,000 condo mortgage you plan to apply for in a couple of months using your your college graduation presents as a down payment to jump from 5% to 9% (a cost of $20,000 until you can improve your credit and refinance).

You had only bought $300 of groceries this week because of the President's Day sales that were great on food that won't spoil, so you aren't actually spending more than you can earn and your grocery bill will be much lower in the next couple of months.

So, you are paying $21,640 in the conventional system for being $345 short for a couple of weeks (until your next pay day).  And, all of those horrible things will happen when the checks clear if you don't get the cash in your checking account by the end of tomorrow when they are deposited.  You don't have time for a loan application, and don't have any credit left on your credit cards because the credit card company lowered your limits when it noticed you hadn't borrowed anything more on them in the last six months.  

The payday loan will cost you about $50, and this is the kind if situation where a payday loan arguably makes sense, even if you have to roll it over once or twice.

It isn't too hard to imagine similar situations.  You son played with a prarie dog and appears to have the early symptoms of plague which can be cured with antibiotics prescribed by a doctor, you have $3 in the bank, having drawn down your emergency fund over four months flipping burgers rather than working at a regular office job from which you were laid off, your health insurance lapsed when you lost your job with benefits and couldn't pay the COBRA bill, you had a promising interview for a better job but won't know for a couple of months, you don't have time to apply for Medicaid, and you miss work and get fired if you wait in the ER for nine hours.  Urgent care can get you in and out for $200 in time to go to a job, your neighbor agreed to watch your sick kid while you work, and you can go to the 24 hour pharmacy and get antibiotics for $20, but they both want cash, and the neighbor really expects to be paid promptly for emergency babysitting as well.

You need $250 now, or your kid died or you wait at the ER and lose your job and don't make rent and become homeless.  The payday loan is again the better choice.

The alternative, of course, is to get your an overdraft line of credit for you bank available as needed for $1,000 which will cost you $7.50 a year in fees and charge less than 18% per year interest, or to have a backup credit card that you save for emergencies.  But, there are times when it can make sense to get one.  

The trouble is that the circumstances when a payday loan is enough to avert that kind of short term catastrophe and actually worth it are very narrow, and it can become a very expensive cruch.  It won't solve your $800 crisis (e.g. a car that needs to be repaired, or a (ex-)boyfriend that spent your rent money on a craps and a prostitute in Vegas with his buddies), and if you have a $50 crisis middle class people are better off borrowing from co-workers, neighbors, employers, or what not, or simply waiting until pay day and asking fees and defaults to be waived, which is a pain in the butt but cheaper.  Western Union and a friend or relative is a better deal.

The evidence from the places that have regulated small lending shows that people don't in fact get hurt badly.  Instead of thousands of small lenders, you have dozens that do a much higher volume business at a better price.  The fact that whites in Colorado use them exceedingly rarely, while Hispanics and African Americans use payday loans comparatively often, despite the fact that Colorado has plenty of fiscally challenged whites, is also suggestive of the fact that they aren't necessary and can be replaced by more sensible alternatives.

   


Desperation
One can imagine all kinds of scenarios in which borrowing money at 500% is the lesser of one or more evils.  But that's exactly the point: usury laws exist so that lenders cannot profit (too much) from desperation.

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