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June 29, 2010 04:54 PM UTC

Jane Norton goes up hard negative. Will Buck man up?

  • 68 Comments
  • by: Ah Choo

(Oh, why not? – promoted by Middle of the Road)

Listen to the ad here.

Jane Norton, the consummate establishment Republican, with her stupendous Washington GOP connections, has gone up on radio attacking Ken Buck over Buck’s ethically-challenged actions while working at the U.S. Attorney’s office.

To recap the ethics story, a Denver pawn shop run by some well-connected Republican donors was hawking handguns that were routinely being impounded by Denver Police. The ATF ran an investigation, and after much hemming and hawing, the USA’s office finally filed charges. Buck then deliberately sabotaged the Federal case by leaking internal USA deliberations to defense counsel, and was officially reprimanded by now-Colorado Attorney General John Suthers. Most agree that Buck had a point that the case sucked, but it doesn’t excuse what he did. Most importantly, these guys aren’t selling guns anymore.

According to the Post, Jane Norton is now up on radio now beating the crap out of Buck, using the original Denver Post story.

Question is, at what point does Ken Buck stop letting the 527’s do all his heavy lifting, put on his big boy pants, and finally stand up for himself? Jane Norton’s mind-bending “War On Islam” position is about as obvious an attempt to change the subject from the tax revenue increase policies she supported as Lt. Governor–not to mention her coziness with the Republican lobbyist core in D.C.–as one could expect.

Man up, Buck!  

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68 thoughts on “Jane Norton goes up hard negative. Will Buck man up?

      1. Based on the last FEC report, Mr. Buck was raising, on average, about $850 per day. In a U.S. Senate campaign that isn’t close to enough to sustatin the campaign. He may be raising more than that since the first quarter report but based on current public information it is a legitimate question.

        Do you have current informaiton about Mr. Buck’s fundraising that could fill all of us in?

        1. The ability to spend is based on Cash on hand.  As I recall there was a $200K difference as of the end of March, before Norton engaged in her still up in the air attempt to petition on.

          There is plenty of online info indicating Buck’s fundraising has picked up.

          Are you one of Norton’s advisors helping her spend her money wisely?  It’s not working so well, is it?

          1. I was just wondering what in fact is Mr. Buck’s fundraising like since the last FEC report. I haven’t seen anything online that indicates how much Mr. Buck has raised since the end of March. If there is something online, please cite me to it. I’d like to read it.

            1. You are as disingenous as they come. You even wrap yourself in sheeps clothing (republican?!?) to hide your allegiance. Other sites would call that being a troll. Since it is a decidely democrat forum it must be an acceptable practice.

              Why would Ken Buck answer an attack when he is leading. Most people with their finger in the air recognize that Norton is acting out of desperation.

              Regarding his ability to raise funds maybe you can wait for the FEC report that will be coming out the first part of July. Although clearly you know when the FEC reports come out, you are just engaging in your typical feigning innocence.  From what I have been able to gather, the short amount of time I have been reading these blogs, you are in the minority. Most people willingly display (and at times proudly) where they stand on issues and candidates.

               

              1. Is there a particular issue(s) or candidate you’d like to know my position on?

                As far as Mr. Buck’s fundraising, my question was aimed at determining whether he has the funds in the bank to respond to Ms. Norton’s latest radio ad. Mr. Buck’s fundraising through the first quarter this year has been anemic. Most of the time candidates closely guard those numbers but my post above was asking if perhaps someone in the blogs-sphere had any more up to date information about his fundraising.  

          2. but his question has more to do with how much money should you spend defending yourself during a primary if you know you are going to win it?  It is a legitimate question considering the cash disadvantage he will be at in the general if Michael Bennet is the Democratic nominee.  How effectively he does in disposing of Norton without spending a wad of cash will show just how savvy a campaigner he is.  It should be interesting to see how he counters this Battle of the Bulge last ditch blitzkrieg by Norton.

            1. Buck is up by 16 points, more if you include an enthusiasm factor.  If Romanoff spent 20K on radio, is that going to get Bennet off his plan?

              1. According to Ms. Norton’s campaign the ad will run for 10 days to two weeks. If it is light buy, then Mr. Buck probably doesn’t need to respond. All depends on the gross rating points.

              2. is how much this poisons the well regarding the general and Buck’s one strength that he is tough on crime.  Is two weeks of Norton pounding away about what a douche bag Buck was as a prosecutor going to seep into the public consciousness?  That’s the kind of negatives that can drive up unfavorable ratings.

                1. Come up with a few more scandals (pst. I heard he had some personal fouls called on him in a HS basketball game)and he still won’t approach Obama’s water boy, Mickey Bennet.  Here is what a representative voter HL Morton wrote in to the Denver Post about this nonsense:

                  Ken Buck has guts and he does his job where others have shirked. I met him on the occasion of the arrest of an accused killer whom Buck announced he would prosecute. The D.A. who preceded Buck refused to prosecute in spite of compelling evidence because the victims body has been hidden. Buck won’t let this killer get away with murder. Alll the carping over a reprimand is political side show. And I’m a Democrat!

                  I think this provides some perspective as to how the voters will look at things.

                  1. Its the constant pounding by Norton followed by a super pounding by Bennet that might create the impression that the guy is a punching bag who can’t hit back.  He hides behind his 527’s or just hunkers down and takes it.  That is the kind of wussie elitist image that all Republicans dread.

                    1. I think Buck is fine now on this and will be in the primary.  I agree that as soon as it is R vs D you can’t let this stuff go unanswered.

                      In a primary there is pushback for going negative on a fellow Republican.  Norton is getting that and on the whole Buck has benefitted in my view by rising above it for now.

                    2. Buck is probably a good guy who wants to help out through public service.  I think Bennet is a sharp guy who wants to help out through public service.  It could be the battle of the B’s kind of like Iron Chef unless it’s not.  May the best B be better.

                    3. Whether Mr. Buck counter attacks does depend on the gross ratings points Ms. Norton purchased for her radio buy but assuming it was enough to do some damage, Mr. Buck will be foolish if he doesn’t respond. Recent political history is littered with failed candidates who were attacked and didn’t repsond or didn’t respond fast enough because they took the position no one would believe their opponent. He needs to monitor this very carefully. A few examples come to mind: Dukakis (1988); Kerry (2004); and Max Cleland, U.S. Senator – Georgia (2002).

          1. The story was that the President of Hansel Phelps where Buck worked between the US Attorney’s office and his Weld county DA job has been giving money to the 527s that have put up ads on his behalf.

            The company donated money, like a lot of large companies, to support the DNC convention in Denver and he may have also donated some money to Hickenlooper as mayor of Denver.

            The Norton campaign treats any relationship between Buck and anybody who is a dem or any republican that associates with a dem as if it is a high crime or misdemeanor.

            For the company, I am sure it was just business as usual.

  1. I heard the commercial on KOA this morning.  Hard ball.  Definitely Wadhams style if not drafting.  Buck served in the Clinton administration.  Calling Buck a “government lawyer.”  Definitely Wadhams.

    Buck doesn’t have to respond.  His “independent” lap dogs will do that for him as they have done in the past.  They’re the only reason he’s in this race.  Wish I knew who they were.  

    1. As soon as I heard it I knew who had signed off on that script.  His tactics don’t work anymore.  He’s an old dog who isn’t learning any new tricks.

      1. Norton is playing a high risk high reward game.  She is pissing off her core of establishment type Republicans by throwing mud in a primary.  Is any of it sticking?  

        I don’t know.  If it is not, why respond?  If you do respond, you run the risk of having it perceived as both of them are doing it. In as much as he has run the best campaign of any of the four Senate candidates, I trust he will do the right thing.

        As an aside, remember when Norton called in about the FEC charge that had been brought against Buck by a fellow Owens politico?  Turns out Norton hired the law firm that drafted the Complaint.  All this mud comes back to Norton the NRSC annointed, Ref C supportin’, not-so-fiscal conservative.

  2. If the Buck ads take that approach then Jane will sink further in the polls. I think this could be an issue in the general, but I don’t see it working in the primary.

    However, when your campaign is going down the drain, you’ll grasp at almost any straw. But the Norton campaign seems to keep making the worst possible choices – it’s like they want to lose.

  3. Norton, you are sounding utterly desperate. Kind of like a candidate who knows she is about to lose a primary. But hey, spend that money. Keep ’em coming, baby. It’s super fun watching Republicans eat each other alive.

    1. Very well said and very well done. It’s well worth the read and you do it without going negative.

      Your mom wins best quote, hands down.

      “Well, there’s 57 Muslims countries. I guess Jane should just pick one and get started.”

       

        1. I will make a diary soon 🙂

          peace and love – ALI

          PS – The Statesman contacted me after they read my posts here on CPols – I’m very proud that the Colorado Statesman and CPols have allowed me the opportunity to get this word out

          1. I just read your article from Middles link and I love it.  It has a lot of detail and common sense.  Shout it from the rooftops -it deserves much wider exposure.

  4. Having reviewed Ali’s editorial in the Colorado Statesman, is Jane Norton:

    a) Senseless; and if so identify the senses, common sense, sense of taste, etc.

    b) Racist; is her motivation to hate the skin tone of the people she hates or some other characteristic?

    c) Stupid; I see this one getting lots of votes,

    d) All of the above; or

    e) I have not seen Norton’s war on Islam video yet, once I have I will chose from a-d above.

  5. The ad is obviously very effective.  The Buck supporters are whining and still slinging mud.  The latest scientific poll has Norton up by at least 6 points.  That poll had the little bump Buck gained from the State Assembly, which is short lived.  Buck appears weak on crime, and ethically challenged.  Definitely not what we need in the Senate!  Mortenson is the one propping up Buck.  He said he would give Buck $1 million. He will likely fund more attack and smear ads against Norton. Corroboration with Mortenson is the source of the campaign finance violation charges. Buck said he was going to drop out when Norton entered the race, but Mortenson convinced Buck to stay.

    Buck is too damaged and compromised to ever win any race again.  

    1. When they shout ‘low blow,’ at least you know you landed a punch.  

        Judging from the wailing and gnashing of teeth by Buck shills, I’d say Norton’s ads are beginning to bite.

      1. That does not mean they are effective.  I think Buck’s supporters are reacting out of disgust as opposed to concern. I guess I am projecting a bit here. Let me say I am reacting out of disgust rather than concern for Buck.

    2. Buck has a 100% conviction rate for murder and has decreased crime in Weld County by 50%.  You cannot ever say he is weak on crime.  What a laugh!

      If you’re going to show us your shrill antics, at least try the truth for once.  Can’t you make the truth sound bad or something?  Do you have to make up lies so you can make Buck look bad?

        1. The cops deserve credit, but they always were effective. They just lacked a DA willing to get tough on crime. Al Dominguez was a joke. You might recall Ken Buck agreed to prosecute a cold homicide that Dominguez refused to prosecute. No new evidence and Ken Buck agreed to pros the 14 year old case. Dominguez immediately came out stating it was futile. The case was not winnable. Well the case just cleared motions and all evidence is coming in. Sorry to disappoint Al, but then again you always did favor being soft on criminals.

          Crime was on a frightening uptick while the rest of the nation was seeing a drop in crime. Some attribute the drop nationally to  “Comstock” and/or Community Oriented Policing.

          Weld County was fully engaged in those programs but gangs were on the increase and the gang homicides were creating headlines across the state. Not a good thing for Greeley.  The prior DA (read Dominguez) was soft on crime and the crime index rose as a result.

          Buck came in with one campaign promise; Put criminals away and specifically target gangs. The results are well known . Check the number of trials Weld County had. It was a tremendous pace with exceptional results. 100 percent conviction rate for 1st Degree Murder.  

          Ken Buck was the first to get a COCCA conviction (and only one to date) for mortgage fraud. State v. Mark Strodtman.

          The cops were always effective… it was that missing piece for years that made the difference. That difference was Ken Buck.

          Ken Buck formed the first Gang Task Force that involved ATF, ICE, and the FBI assisting GPD Gang Unit.  Results can be measured. 38 gang members recently indicted on federal charges.  Okay enough said.

          Don’t believe this shill?  Check out the GPD endorsement of Ken Buck. They know he delivers on his campaign promises.

          1. new effective of technology which I’m sure Mr. Buck had a hand in.

            I don’t think the fact Mr. Dominguez’s judgment was wrong on one murder case and Mr. Buck’s was correct makes one into a super star and the other into a very bad district attorney. If it does, then you would agree that if Mr. Buck is wrong on one case, he is no longer a good district attorney. Personally, I don’t believe that but that is where your logic leads to.  

            1. My use of one example was for the sake of brevity. You caught me using an example for dramatic effect. You don’t want to get me started on a rant about Dominguez being soft on crime. I won’t go into his using “Make My Day Law” in refusing to prosecute a drug dealer who was shot in a raid by SWAT. Ken’s opponent in that race was the highly competent and respected ADA. The Dominguez connection was too hard for him to overcome when Buck’s campaign was about cleaning up crime.

              To address your question about fund raising I found this as one example of money being raised on Ken’s behalf. This is current result of the 30 day moneybomb by SCF.

              https://senateconservatives.co

              1. The $101,000.00 raised on behalf of Mr. Buck certainly is enough to mount an effective radio ad counterattack against Ms. Norton’s latest attack ad.

    3. I takes real talent to go from up 30 to down 16 and Norton has real talent.  I am glad they hired you to help her.  Maybe she can get it to down by 30.  Her Republican friends seem to be leaving her.  They are questioning whether she is senseless,a racists or just stupid? What do you think?  A little of each? How refreshing.

      It is nice to hear that a lobbyist does not need advice on ethics.  Perhaps taking twice as much money as given to the widows and children of downed denver police officers as salary in her last gig would not have been her career choice if she had taken the course.

      Thanks again for stopping by.  Will you be handing out donation envelopes at the debate tonight?  I hear Norton might not make it on the primary ballot and will be doing a Charlie Crist.  The NRSC sure knows how to pick em.  Say hi to Charlie Black.  

      That is one thing I have always liked about Jane Norton, a real team player.

      1. Try a little reality for a change.  Norton was asked to run last summer because of all the Buck baggage. BUCK IS NOT ELECTABLE!  You Buck supporters still drinking koolaid think this is not a big story, but the rest of the state knows it is a huge story. All you are doing is throwing out attacks, but there is no substance. Buck was fired for malfeasance and was required to take ethics classes by John Suthers. Buck refused to release his records when he ran for DA, because he knew he would loose. Buck will never win another race.  

        1. Buck will win this race.  He is up by 16 points and that number is only growing.  

          It must really suck to be associated with the Norton campaign now.  You are convinced that you have this killer piece of dirt of a 10 year old reprimand in a personnel file and nobody outside the campaign, a couple lawyers on Colopols and Charlie Black seem to care.  It is so bad, the Denver Post is making fun of it.  Republican bloggers speculate that Penry is being paid by the Dems.

          Norton is not only not electable, she is not going to get invited to any Christmas parties next year. Ali Hasan is not having her over for any Ramadam feasts. Forget about any break the fasts.  The Jews figure when she is done with them Muslims, they are next.

          The next thing that is going to happen is when Norton does her next scientific poll, which they never release, and they add the Norton staffers to the polls like they did the last time so she gets enough votes to be seen as leading, even the staffers will be polling for Buck.

        2. Norton was booed each time she turned her talking points to attacks on Buck.  At one point she lectured the crowd in an obvious loss of composure. (Rumor has it Smart-1 donned a Buck t-shirt midway through debate out of embarassment for his candidate.)  

          Best (and most telling) exchange at the debate:  The candidates were asked if they would support their opponent in the general if they lost the primary. Ken Buck stated that he has been friends with the Nortons for several years and will stand shoulder to shoulder with her if she prevails. He then stated that he and Perry have sent Christmas cards to the Nortons the past 10 years.  Norton’s response ……Oh Ken, I feel so bad we have not sent you Christmas Cards.  (Not exact quote but you get the picture). I can think of no response that would have come across more snobbish and elitist.

          I am sure none of this will appear in print but the debate will appear on PPC tomorrow.

            1. wasn’t on the stage with Norton for the debate but he did chime in on Norton’s interview with the Colorado Statesman.  It was not pretty.

    4. Not so fast “smart 1”.  According to Redstate:

      So Jane Norton hires a pollster for her campaign and finds that . . . well that Jane Norton is losing by 4 points.

      Now, of course Jane Norton is spinning this as a six point lead.

      The catch being, Jane’s “scientific polster” is counting Republicans for this poll that expressed a preference for Jane but don’t vote in primaries.

      Oopsie!  That’ll be too late if they wait for the general!

      1. is different.  Candidates cannot rely too much on polls to build their identity upon this early in the election.  I like to wait til Denverpost and major news sites come up with their own polls.

        1. That is where the 16% number comes from.  The Norton poll was never released and the methodology indicates the 400 people chosen were not randomly selected.

      2. Eric Erickson could not be more wrong!  Jane just cleaned Buck’s clock tonight in a debate. He looked confused and disheveled. He had to do several mop up questions, meaning Norton scored points. Buck’s problems with several issues are not defensible  

        1. Jane cleaned Buck’s clock last night.

          Jane is up in the polls.

          All of this is just a bad dream.

          Good thing there were cameras there.  Instead of just taking your word the entire world can see Jane cleaning Buck’s clock, him looking confused and disheveled, seeing Norton scoring points and his problems with issues that are not defensible.  The entire world can go to http://www.peoplespresscollective.org and behold Norton.

          Any reason why the crowd continues to boo her?

          Must be another positive sign?

        2. was one of the times when Norton went negative and the audience expressed its displeasure.  Norton shouted, “It’s true, it’s true!”

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