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January 15, 2011 09:42 AM UTC

T-Party uprisings spreading around the globe.

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  • by: Barron X

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If you permit the T-Partiers to define themselves, then they might say that what unites them are concerns about:

*** the economy,

*** the expansion of government,

*** illegal immigration and

*** getting back to government according to the original Constitution.  

One poster here is convinced that we are motivated by racism and hatred of our President, and repeats that at every opportunity.  

Folks who self-identify with the movement tend to think that the thing that motivated them to “join,” if there was any one thing, was the bailouts of banksters by the Bush and Obama administrations.

According to Scott Rasmussen, Tea Partiers “… think federal spending, deficits and taxes are too high, and they think no one in Washington is listening to them, and that latter point is really, really important.”

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So, what happened in Tunis this week ?  

Their T-Party, loosely based on the same concerns as the local T-Party here in Colorado Springs, took to the streets, and their President for life skipped the country (leaving his wives behind.)

Before that, T-Partys in Greece, France, the students’ revolt in England and the protest movement in Europe sprung from the same or similar seeds.  The connection is that the seeds of the Tunisian uprising have been in issues related to unemployment, marginalization, corruption, etc., issues that have been exacerbated by the international Great Depression.

Thus the causes of the Tunisians are in tune with the causes of the rest of us, including in Europe and the rest of the world.

In the current international situation, the stage is set for more revolts like the ones we have seen.

largely cribbed from a comment by Nadim at http://www.juancole.com/2011/0…

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14 thoughts on “T-Party uprisings spreading around the globe.

  1. There is a big difference – In every one of those countries mentioned the protesters wanted the government to provide more and spend more. Your t-party group wants the government to spend less and provide less.

    But as to your goal of getting back to the original constitution – I assume that includes the 3/5 of a person part? And if you say except that part, well then we’re not talking the original constitution and you accept the concept of changing what the government does.

  2. is that the Tea Party supports the violent overthrow of the government?  What’s your point with the Tunisia analogy.

    The revolution in Tunisia is actually the first wikileaks revolution.

    1. First they dump the tea.

      Next is the armed revolution.

      Then we go back to the original constitution… plus the 2nd amendment (but all other amendments are impure).

      Voting restricted to white male property owners.

      Go back to enforcing the 3/5 of a person clause.

      And keep your government hands off of their social security and medicare.

  3. that the “folks who self-identify” weren’t out holding rallies and tea parties and questioining the President’s nationality or calling for “second amendment solutions” or yelling “you lie” during the President’s State of the Union speeches or serreptitiously emphasizing the President’s middle name or promoting the open carrying of loaded weapons to political events or. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    until AFTER Obama was elected.  Now I have to wonder why that would be?  I mean, on first glance.

    Your narrative about this being a being an amalgamation of frightened, but harmless, good-hearted patriots is past worn out.

  4. and, yes, lots of TP’ers would say those are the concerns. But, if you ask them to talk about those issues they sputter or talk about something else, the “economy”, what does that mean? Immigration, they don’t pay taxes, they’re flat wrong but won’t learn. Constitution? It doesn’t really say that?

  5. Don’t worry, this won’t be some WLJ-esque rant about how wrong, blind, and tacitly racist you are BX.

    I only know a handful of people that identify with the Tea Party.  One of them is a generally rational, all around normal guy.  Not unlike Barron.  

    Unfortunately, the others are just short of bat shit crazy…and those are the folks that define your movement.  They’re the folks you call Tea Baggers to their faces and it takes them a minute to figure out they’re being not-remotely-subtly mocked.

    It’s also gotta be frustrating when you talk about the constitution and all people respond with is THREE-FIFTHS, THREE-FIFTHS!!!11!OMGLOLZWTF!#^&!  But that’s another story…

    Personally, I think it was folks like Pat Toomey who were the OG’s of the Tea Party.  They had a similar message long before people started yelling about the Kenyan-communazi-death-squad…

    We paint the Tea Party with such a large, single brush…but then get pissed when cons talk about the monolithic liberal.  That’s just funny…

    Anyway, I forgot where I was going with this…so I’ll just stop.

    Happy Saturday, everyone!

  6. And you haven’t learned a damned thing.

    There is absolutely no correlation between the US “Tea Party” and the overthrow of the Tunisian president.

    No. 1, if Tea Partiers think they’re as oppressed by corruption and thuggery as the peoples on the southern shore of the Mediterranean and around the Middle East, they’re suffering from pathological victimhood. There’s absolutely no comparison, unless, of course you have zero sense of reality.

    No. 2, the Tunisian uprising was sparked by a single act of police brutality and subsequent self immolation in an outlying city, the networked reportage of which went viral among the young. Their outrage had nothing to do with taxes, the size of government, or immigration. And Tunisian economy has until very recently been very healthy, due largely to its tourism industry. Also, everybody hates the president’s wife and her family because of their outlandish thievery. You say “wives”. so you have evidence of others? (Ok, so Tea Partyers aren’t so fond of Michelle, either, but that’s because of that other reason we can’t mention, right?)

    No. 3, Tea Partyers in the US are being heard. We and “people in Washington” are paying attention. It’s just that sane observes think they’re full of shit on most things; they offer no workable solutions to the nation’s problems. They’re just frightened Chicken Littles looking for someone else to blame for their pitiful (and well fed) lives. God’s heard their prayers and his answer is No. You’ve heard that one, haven’t you?

    No. 4, the uprising in Tunisia was not in anyway directed, aided or abetted by any political entity. The young Tunisians, unlike the US “Tea Party”, aren’t a bought, corrupted, duped organization. They are truly grassroots. Hell, even the CIA didn’t start this one.

    Cripes. Keep up would you please.

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      If you would just stick to interpreting what God has to say about this or that, you would be unassailable.  But you veer off into supposed “facts.”  Your downfall.  Because facts can often be checked.  

      “the uprising in Tunisia was not in anyway directed, aided or abetted by any political entity.”  

      The two opposition parties given the most credit would disagree.

      The “hairdresser” wife is wife #2.

      “the Tunisian uprising was sparked by a single act of police brutality and subsequent self immolation in an outlying city”

      Those opposition groups I mentioned above have been working for this for 23 years.  

      “even the CIA didn’t start this one.”  

      That’s more like it.  Stick to stuff I can’t check.

      My guess is that the CIA is funding all of the competing factions, which is what they do throughout Maghreb.  The CIA is actively partnering with US AFRICOM in their Trans-Sahel project.  But maybe, as you say, this involves the one faction in all of North Africa that doesn’t get CIA support.  Golly, CIA even openly supports MB in Egypt, now that they’ve gone all moderate and all.

      I do concede, though, your Point No. 1, that if Tea Partiers think they’re as oppressed by corruption and thuggery as the peoples on the southern shore of the Mediterranean and around the Middle East, they are flat out wrong.  

      And I would be wrong, if I said that.  Which supports your other point about my lack of reading skills, because I went back and re-read the Diary, and I just don’t see where I said that.  

      I score this a draw.

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  7. Perhaps when the Tea Party first started it was a true “grassroots” movement. Perhaps. But once this nation had the audacity to elect a black man as President it exploded.

    Republicans and various interested parties saw the Tea Party as a vehicle they could use against this President, “infiltrated” it, and then took control of it.

    What was once a grassroots movement became a very well funded, well organized, media-savvy, machine. They began straying away from any fiscal message and seemed to gravitate towards more social and cultural battles. Once they did that, they stopped being what you still see them as and what they want everyone to think of them. When you’re agenda is against FinReg, pro tax cuts, and never realistic about spending cuts; you’re not a movement who cares about this nation’s economic stability. When your rhetoric turns to angry anti-immigrant, pro-violence, anti-Obama you’ve moved past fiscal issues.

    The anger towards our government by the movement isn’t based in reality. It’s what I find the most frustrating part of the movement. Their stubborn refusal to accept facts verges on amazing. The economy is stronger under Obama than it was under Bush, the size of government hasn’t seen an increase under Obama that comes anywhere close to the Bush admin, and taxes are lower than we’ve seen in generations.

    While the rate of unemployment makes every American angry (or should), the steps this President has taken have brought the unemployment rate down. Maybe not as fast as he and everyone else would have preferred, but there is only so much that can be fixed by policy and politics. We live in a free-market system, that’s a knife that cuts both ways. It’s time everyone realized it. While the economy is strong everyone loves it. When it’s down, the free-market doesn’t just bounce back in a day, week, or even a month.

    I’m still trying to figure out what the Tea Party is so angry about? Are they upset about facts not agreeing with their rhetoric? Or that the nation elected a black man?

    1. .

      I think the main focus of the anger was the bailout of the rich, who were doing alright, and didn’t really need a taxpayer handout.

      Part of it is “where’s my share of the bailout ?”

      Part of it is “we can’t afford the bailouts.  Let ’em sink or swim.”

      Or maybe you’re right.  But I don’t think so.  

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