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February 02, 2011 06:37 PM UTC

Reporters should ask Suthers: If your anti-gay legal brief isn't anti-gay, what is it?

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  • by: Jason Salzman

( – promoted by Colorado Pols)

Colorado Attorney General John Suthers has offered different explanations for filing a legal brief in support of a section of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that bars gay and lesbian married couples from receiving federal marriage benefits. Reporters should find out what Suthers is really thinking.

Massachusetts is suing the federal government to enable gay couples, married there, to receive the same benefits given to other married couples, and Suthers’ office joined the feds, via an Amicus brief, in defending DOMA against the Massachusetts challenge.

On KHOW’s Caplis and Silverman show, Suthers said Monday there was no anti-gay-marriage political agenda behind his action. It’s about federalism, he claimed.

He went on to say he’s trying to stop the feds from forcing Colorado to recognize a gay marriage performed in Massachusetts.

“I’m getting all kinds of grief about filing an amicus brief in Massachusetts’ constitutional challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act,” said Suthers on the radio. “And it’s very apparent to me that people are attributing political motives to me, being anti-gay marriage, when in fact I think this is another case that really bears upon federalism….We don’t want Massachusetts to be able to impose on the federal government or the state of Colorado its definition of marriage.”

So what’s motivating Suthers? The gay-marriage part? Or the states-rights/federalism part?

It’s confusing, especially to people like Brian Moulton, Chief Legislative Council for the Human Rights Campaign, which has been tracking the issue.

He told me that, in response to questions about the case, Suthers’ office has sent emails to constituents stating that Suthers decided to get involved in the Massachussets case to defend Colorado’s Amendment 43, which defined marriage here as between a man and a woman. Moulton said that Suthers’ email stated that his office is obliged by law to defend Colorado’s laws, and that’s what he is doing.

Moulton told me:

“So certainly, at least initially, he was telling his constituents that he was defending Colorado’s marriage laws, and that was the initial response he gave to The Denver Post when they inquired about it. It’s all fine and good to say you’re concerned about federal involvement with the states….But certainly that was not the initial response of the AG’s office, and I’m finding it hard to square the circle. It’s hard to know which of the messages to believe.”

It’s particularly hard to square the circle because the case that Suthers has decided to join isn’t really about gay marriage. It’s about whether gay couples, who are already married in Massachusetts, have a legal right to federal marriage benefits.

We’re talking about stuff like allowing gay couples to be buried together (OMG, what will they do?) in a veterans’ cemetery and to get spousal benefits under Medicaid, according to Moulton.

Is Suthers, on behalf of the people of Colorado, saying gay couples from Massachusetts should not be allowed to be buried together in a veterans’ cemetery? We don’t know because neither Caplis nor Silverman asked him. But fortunately, Silverman promised on the radio to have Suthers back on the show to talk more about the DOMA issue.

Here are some questions Caplis and Silverman should ask him (And for you skeptics, these are the types of questions they ask regularly on the show.):

First, there’s the question above about how Suthers would feel if he successfully prevents gay veterans, married in Massachusetts, from being buried together.

Then there’s a question that flows from something both Moulton and Suthers’ office (as quoted in Tuesday’s The Denver Post) agree on: The Massachusetts case involving DOMA won’t invalidate Colorado’s marriage law, but, theoretically, if Massachusetts wins its case, Colorado’s ban on gay marriage could possibly be a little bit harder to defend down the road. Is it right to support a lawsuit that strips gay couples, married in another state, of the right to be buried together or to receive Medicaid benefits, simply because having those benefits might, theoretically, make Colorado’s ban on gay marriages slightly harder to defend? Does this put any stress on Suthers’ conscience?

Another question: If Suthers’ underlying motivation is related to states rights, why pick this case? As Moulton pointed out: “In this case, what Massachusetts is saying is, our state’s rights are being impinged upon because what the federal government is saying is, here’s some money for a federal program, but if you have to use it, you have to discriminate against some of your own lawfully married citizens under your own law. They are arguing that (DOMA) is infringing on their rights as a state. It does seem odd to have some other state [Colorado] say, no no, that’s not okay.”

And this question, posed by Moulton, gets to the heart of the matter: “At the end of the day, if what you’re really doing is just attacking Massachusetts because they’ve decided to stand up for their gay and lesbian married citizens, because you have some fear that one day in some hypothetical case that doesn’t exist, your marriage law might be in jeopardy, doesn’t this seem pretty mean-spirited and maybe not the best use of state resources right now in this time of fiscal stress?”

Partial Transcript of Appearance by Attorney General John Suthers on the Caplis and Silverman Show, 3 p.m. Hour, Feb. 1

Attorney General John Suthers: You know, you can’t get into these things based on what’s going to be the politically greatest route. I don’t know if you’re watching it today, but I’m getting all kinds of grief about filing an amicus brief in Massachusetts’ constitutional challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. And it’s very apparent to me that people are attributing political motives to me, just being anti-gay marriage, when in fact I think this is another case that really bears upon federalism. The federal government in DOMA is not attempting to define marriages under state law. In fact they say, we’re simply defining marriage for purposes of federal law and federal benefits and for our purposes, marriage is between a man and a woman. States are free to do what they want. Massachusetts says, you can’t define it between a man and a woman. That discriminates against our gay couples in Massachusetts. And we in Colorado, the voters in 2006, chose to define in our constitution marriage as between a man and a woman, and we support the federal government and the states as being able to define it for their own purposes, and we don’t want Massachusetts to be able to impose on the federal government or the state of Colorado with the definition of marriage.

Craig: Mr. A. G., we can’t go on that tangent, though it’s interesting, and we’d like to talk to you about it on another day that’s not so newsy.

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15 thoughts on “Reporters should ask Suthers: If your anti-gay legal brief isn’t anti-gay, what is it?

  1. have enough to do with Colorado issues?  With the limited resources of a state AG’s office during a time of recession, you’d think he could stick to Colorado issues, such as the rampant fraud occurring in the marketplace (consumer and elder protection issues, etc).  All about priorities, isn’t it?!

  2. Suthers is a conservative R and they are against all federal interference in just about everything and passionately for states rights except when that doesn’t support their agenda.  They hate “activist” court decisions except when the decisions come from activist conservatives.

    Since their base isn’t the least bit interested in intellectual consistency and, in fact, considers “intellectual” a dirty lefty word, Suthers and  his fellow Rs no longer feel the need to even pretend to have a cogent basis for their contradictory stands.  “Cogent” is probably another dirty lefty word used by people who think they’re better than us, in their view.

    Why shouldn’t Suthers pander? It’s hardly risky in a world where most don’t even know who the AG is, much less follow this sort of thing.  On the other hand, if he has higher ambitions for future office it will help him with his base.  

        1. so what if the 2006 amendment violates the 14th amendment of the Bill of Rights! Suthers is doing his duty by supporting something silly like DOMA instead of something that would actually make our state better like overturning Citizens United.

      1. The ruling Suthers has signed on to opposing doesn’t address the 2006 Amendment in any way.

        It simply states that since the States have control over marriage licenses, that the Federal Government cannot force the States to discriminate against certain legally married couples by denying certain State-administered Federal funds for some benefits.

        It invalidates Section 3 of the DOMA only, which is the provision that prohibits Federal funds from going to same-sex married couples’ benefits.

  3. I know it’s petty, and I know it’s juvenille, . . . but I gotta ask . . .

    Whenever you imagine questions for Craig Silverman to ask, do you hear them in your head in his strange Truman-Capote-meets-helium-balloon voice?

    I thinks it’s possible that someday Craig Silverman might actually have one good point about something, but I’m also fairly sure I’ll miss that point because of the speaker.

    (It’s gotten so that when he’s on KBDI’s Colorado Inside Out I just switch off the program to avoid hearing that voice in my head over the next week.  Listening to Kopel and Sondermann blargle-blargle is bad enough, Silverman is a bridge too far.)

  4. Just like “activist judges” means any judge that writes in a manner that Republicans disagree with.

    It’s a concept that bears no resemblance to actual federalism or the Federalist Papers.

    It’s a meaningless term because it’s been rendered meaningless by Republicans. When you hear “federalism” think “Republican party line.”

  5. Republicans are very skillful at legal strategy.  And, Salzman, since you have evidently abandoned your bud, “principled stand boyles” and are now mining the Caplis-Silverman show for non-news, I have a question.  Did you hear Silverman say that the two of them were the topic of a column in the Washington Times last week?  I have been searching and can’t find it.   That would be interesting.

  6. He claims he’s all for states’ rights and federalism. Yet here u have one state, Massachusetts, that has legally decided that same-sex couples have the right to marry. And citizens of that state have exercised that right.

    Why, then, is it any business of Colorado’s as to how another sovereign state has defined marriage? Massachusetts isn’t “imposing on the federal government” its definition of marriage in any other part of the nation except Massachusetts – and it certainly isn’t imposing its definition upon Colorado.

    You might as well ask Suthers, if he really believes that “federalism” and the “imposition” by one state of its marriage standards on another are supposedly at issue, why he isn’t then arguing that all states should have absolutely identical standards for marriage – including the exact same ages of consent. Isn’t Mississippi “imposing” young marriages on Colorado?

    Or maybe, just maybe, Suthers cares only because we’re talking about gays and lesbians. But oh no, we’re supposed to believe that that hasn’t entered into his mind at all: it’s purely a matter of states’ rights and federalism.

    Riiiiiight.

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