Open Line Friday!

“Romney is accusing Obama of purposely slowing down the economy so as to worsen people’s economic circumstance so that they would demand health care since they were losing it because they’re getting fired. That’s what he’s saying. And that is a bold criticism. That is something that we would say and have said. But to hear a Republican presidential candidate say it, is kind of cool.”

–Rush Limbaugh


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  1. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    WHY WE DON’T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE

    What’s most remarkable about these numbers is their stability: these percentages have remained virtually unchanged since Gallup began asking the question, thirty years ago.



    Such poll data begs the question: Why are some scientific ideas hard to believe in? What makes the human mind so resistant to certain kinds of facts, even when these facts are buttressed by vast amounts of evidence?

    • GalapagoLarryGalapagoLarry says:

      Read The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion, by Johathan Haidt, Pantheon Books, 2012.

      Pissed me off. Now I have to try to understand conservatives. Once I understand liberals, that is.

  2. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    In 50 years, Steve Jobs will be forgotten, Gladwell says

    Gladwell forcefully declared that Apple’s Steve Jobs would be something of a forgotten figure, especially in relation to Microsoft’s Bill Gates.

    • AristotleAristotle says:

      People haven’t forgotten Henry Ford because he was an anti-semite (one of such reknown that even Hitler was a fan).

      Americans like the occasional innovative, ground-breaking and self-made visionary businessman because it’s a huge part of the American dream. And Jobs’ reputation isn’t too bad today despite his lack of philanthropy. And given all the game-changing Apple products of the last 10 years, we’re currently more in Jobs’ world than Gates’.

      Gates is a much bigger philanthropist, that much is true. He seems to be trying to be a modern Carnegie, but I think his future reputation as one will be based on the success of the education reforms he’s pushing through his foundation. It seems a lot less certain of success than building libraries all over America.

      Finally, proclamations about what people will think or do in the future are almost always dismally wrong. Dave, you seem to be someone who finds that stuff enthralling, but think back on the stuff you probably read in the past, esp. the things written in the 70s and 80s and ask yourself how accurate any of those predictions were.

      • DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

        But it is an interesting couple of points. And a lot of the people who were the founders of the PC era, in hardware, software, games, networking, etc. are all but forgotten by now. So time will tell…

        • RedGreenRedGreen says:

          Were any of them world-wide celebrities the way Jobs was? It’s true that businesses come and go, and so do consumer products. But it’s rare that a single personality comes to embody the business or the products the way Jobs did.

          Still, Gladwell could have a point. Lee Iacocca isn’t exactly the historic figure today that some might have thought he’d be 30 years ago.

          • AristotleAristotle says:

            were the ones who either groundbreaking leaders in a brand new industry (Gates and Jobs) or visionaries who transformed their business (Jobs again). We remember many of the 19th Century industrialists* for being the former and certain early 20th Century figures for being the latter also (Edison**, Ford). Lee Iaccoca is certainly a figure to be respected and emulated, but he didn’t help create a new industry and he didn’t transform it either.

            But I think you’re right. Personality plays a lot, and most of the best-remembered business leaders had it. Even though Henry J. Kaiser, shipbuilder, invented the HMO that bears his last name (and thus counts as an influential visionary), I doubt most people know his full name and wouldn’t be able to identify him if asked.

            * Many became well known for their charity. Gates is definitely taking more risks

            ** We now know that Edison was a ruthless SOB, but so was Gates once upon a time.

          • shrubHugger says:

            Can anyone really be “forgotten” these days with the internet and wikipedia just fingertips away?

      • VanDammerVanDammer says:

        Apple has had an amazing presence in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd generation of connected Users.  Apple is your phone, music, TV, internet, tablet reader, portable PC, … and they’ve been out in front leading the way or establishing a major beachhead in most media/computing innovations.  Apple has a physical & tactile presence in our lives.

        MS’s huge presence in desktop computing has been diminished thru open source solutions and the accepted watered-down ubiquity of their OS & applications.  Innovation benefiting the end-user experience has languished.  And though they’ve tried time & again with h/w they’ve pretty much failed.

        Apple folks feel the envy of others while MS folks feel a shared misery and underwhelming acceptance of what must be endured.  I just left a meeting where host tap danced 5 mins covering for a repeated boot up error with her Win7.  Still?  We’ve had to accept this for how many years??

        Thru Gates Foundation, Billie & Melinda do help world health initiatives, education reform and more but there’s no amount of rubbing that will ever polish the turd that gave him his good points but wealth.

        I see where Gladwell is coming from and I do believe fame & fortune is even more fleeting in today’s read/write memory environment.  But there’s a helluva lot of amoral folks that burnished their dubious legacies with gifts to society.  History can whitewash the transgressions and sins of benefactors so  it’s always wise to question the true motives of the rich.  

        • AristotleAristotle says:

          was when I first heard about Gates giving to charity. It seemed to be a PR move at the time – I certainly am unaware of any major giving he did before that time.

          That said, given that Gates retired from MS when he could have stayed the rest of his life, and given the ambitious scope of his foundation’s work, that he’s probably quite genuine in his motives. Most charity from corporations and the wealthy are as safe and unremarkable as the industries that created that wealth in the first place, and it’s fair to question how much of it would be given if there wasn’t the payback in tax deductions.

          It’s possible that Gates recognized that MS had probably run its course as a dynamic and transforming company and he wasn’t motivated to manage it anymore (especially since they really could not go back to their old ways after the antitrust suits they weathered). Maybe that’s why he stepped away and decided to focus on doing something with his truly vast wealth. It’s pretty well known that most people don’t reach any level of megawealth and decide that they have made enough money, but you do have to wonder what someone with that much feels that they can do with it. I think that’s as much of a factor in their charity as any benefits they realize from it, whether in tax deductions, personal gratification, or even their public perception, both for now and for posterity.

        • sxp151 says:

          As Gladwell says, he was an amoral person who never had an original idea and never gave anything away.

          Given that success as a CEO correlates pretty well with amorality, I’d rather see a guy like Gates or Carnegie or Rockefeller who decides late in life to try and make up for all the crap they did. Unlike Jobs whose only legacy after his death is selling a $35 biography they published the next day.

          • AristotleAristotle says:

            but I believe he had an original vision for those ideas, one that wouldn’t have been realized without him.

            Say what you will about the man, but the “he had no ideas” meme is revisionist.

          • parsingreality says:

            From the GUI that came from Xerox to the tablet concept that’s been around for years, Apple/Jobs was not so much a creator as a re-packager/marketer.

            Not that there’s anything wrong with being a repackager, just, hey, let’s be honest and accurate.  Less the creative genius, moreso a copier.

            Steve jobs had any number of tags in the MSDM.  He was paranoid, a control freak, and amoral.  We all loved to hate Bill Gates a decade or more ago, but he is a saint compared to Mr. Jobs.

            If Apple, the corporation, becomes a better world citizen, I’m open to that.  But as of now, “Anything but Apple.”

  3. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    Obama Campaign Admits Fundraising Defeat In May

    Romney’s May fundraising win was, in political terms, a punch in the gut leaving Democrats who thought that their presidential candidate could close the super PAC gap in momentary panic.

    “It is a big wake up call,” said a concerned top Democratic operative, echoing what many others in the party’s top ranks felt but were afraid to say on record for fear of coming off as panicked worriers.

  4. SSG_Dan says:

    Apparently, it’s more important to suck up to one anti-tax nutjob than to take care of the 1% who fought for this nation

    On May 28, Congressman Denny Rehberg made the following statement in his Memorial Day message to Montanans: “Today we pay our respects to fallen Americans, and to their families, for a debt that we can never fully repay, but that we can and must honor…We can honor our fallen soldiers by genuinely caring for their brothers and sisters with whom they served. Keeping our promises to our service men and women must be a priority.”

    Less than three days after issuing this statement, and with over 300,000 Afghanistan and Iraq veterans suffering from traumatic brain injury (TBI) and post-traumatic stress disorder (PSTD), Rehberg voted against a motion (House Vote 304) that would use $28 million in unallocated funds to help fund PTSD, TBI and prosthetics research.

    Rehberg felt his pledge to Grover Norquist, a person that to the best of my knowledge never wore a uniform, was more important that keeping his promise to veterans.

    http://missoulian.com/news/opi

    Think this is bad? Wait until the RomneyBots get into the White House, and completely dismantle the Veteran Healthcare and disability system to keep the Millionaire Tax Cut in place…

    • SSG_Dan says:

      Say What?

      Romneybot 2:

      “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”

      – Mitt Romney, 2007

      Romneybot 1:

      “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.”

      – Mitt Romney, who sought and received four draft deferments, 1994

  5. dwyer says:

    There are two “take aways” from Wisconsin that are very important, IMHO. Both have to do with exit polling.  The first indicated that a majority of voters supported Obama over Romney.  The second poll indicated that upwards of 70% of voters thought that the recall was a bad idea.  Let’s look at the latter, first.  Did the Wisconsin dems have any ongoing internal polling that told them that the majority were against the recall vote? If so, what was the strategy to combat that attitude?  Why didn’t it work? If they did not have a clue, why not?

    What I think happened, was that 500,000 voters signed the recall petition and the dems thought that the recall victory was a sure thing. So smug were they that the party had a primary fight to see who would run against Walker and win the governorship.  Meantime,

    The pro-Walker repubs were not at all discouraged by the initial success of the recall petition. They put their money into changing the minds of Wisconsin voters and they were successful.

    So, I am not encouraged or lulled into complacency by the exit polls showing that voters still prefer Obama to Romney.  All that does is help repubs target their message.  They have proved that they can do that very well.

    Dems did NOT learn from Massachusetts Dems did NOT learn from the 2010 elections.

    Will Dems learn from Wisconsin?

  6. BlueCat says:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/201

    Florida’s noncitizen voter purge looks like it’s all but over.

    The 67 county elections supervisors – who have final say over voter purges -are not moving forward with the purge for now because nearly all of them don’t trust the accuracy of a list of nearly 2,700 potential noncitizens identified by the state’s elections office.The U.S. Department of Justice has ordered the state to stop the purge.

    “We’re just not going to do this,” said Leon County’s elections supervisor, Ion Sancho, one of the most outspoken of his peers. “I’ve talked to many of the other supervisors and they agree. The list is bad. And this is illegal.”

    Sorry, dwyer.  I know how any good news, even just a shred, for our side ruins your day. And I’m sure that by passing this on I’m demonstrating what a naive, cheer leading, lazy, clueless Pollyanna fool I must be and how I must be blindly defending… yadayadyada…. but there it is :-(

    • dwyer says:

      PS: I have been screaming about voter suppression for months!

      dwyer @ Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:26:24 AM MDT

      I also signed the petition when the link was posted here. I am really glad to see not only that AG Holter is challenging Florida; but, also that the dems here in Colorado challenged Gessler and that our brave county clerk in Denver refused to buckle under to Gessler and his stupid edict on so-called inactive voters.

      I do not like the fact, BC, that you think you have some kind of special knowledge about how I think and feel.

      You do not.

      The only thing about your rants is that it makes me

      nostalgic  for when the kids were teenagers and would

      “argue” the way you do.  But they are grown up now.

      I am proud of their ability to discuss and reason – even when we don’t agree, which is frequently.

      • BlueCat says:

        Just making fun of your eternal carrying on about how all Dem candidates are doomed and all the lefties here, besides brilliant worldly wise you, are too stupid, lazy and naive to notice.

        So I’m not just a naive, lazy, Pollyanna who doesn’t know a thing about political realities.  I’m a naive, lazy, Pollyanna who doesn’t know a thing about political realities and has a drinking problem. Got it.

        Have a nice weekend, dwyer. Lord knows what that would be for you but, whatever gloomy thing it is, enjoy.  

  7. ProgressiveCowgirlProgressiveCowgirl says:

    Not that you noticed I was gone :) but I was in NYC the last three days, speaking at a conference for my industry. AKA my favorite thing to do in the world. Public speaking <3

    Did I miss anything fun?

  8. Ralphie says:

    I’ll Have Another has been scratched from the Belmont.

    • ProgressiveCowgirlProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Fortunately, this one is a very valuable stud colt who will likely retire to enjoy a life of luxury and a lot of horse sex, unless (like Ferdinand) he fails to produce and is eventually sold to slaughter.

      Most of the many, many, many young horses in the same situation–broken down at an age when horses not used for racing are considered too young even to ride–are not as fortunate and end their lives in a Canadian or Mexican slaughterhouse. If they’re lucky, they’re humanely euthanized by their owners instead.

      Racing isn’t necessarily inhumane. Racing two and three year old horses is. The Triple Crown races are run by three-year-olds for a reason: Get the blisteringly fast horses out in front of a massive audience, let them put in their best performances in their first full year of racing, and make sure they’re either worn out or retired because they’re now too valuable to risk an injury by the end of their three-year-old spring. That means no superstars whose careers last long enough that nobody is willing to run their horses against them (like Eclipse, Exterminator, and Northern Dancer) and, more importantly, no bettors put up money against them.

      Okay, done with my rant… haven’t been able to enjoy watching even the Derby since adopting my racehorse.

    • ProgressiveCowgirlProgressiveCowgirl says:

      Was going to change it and now I’m having no luck finding your comment.

  9. VanDammerVanDammer says:

    ooh, just let him keep talking!  This from the boy/man  CU Regent @Large candidate Arnold is a gift:  

    Called on it by critics, Matt Arnold mocked advanced degrees Thursday, explaining he completed the coursework but not his thesis.

    “I was more interested in getting on with my life than trying to, quite frankly, waste more time in pursuit of academic BS that no one cares about,” he said.

    Arnold transferred to Hopkins’ D.C. campus to complete the second year of the program. He said after finishing his courses, he was working on his thesis – one of the degree’s most significant requirements – when his computer crashed, and he lost much of his material.

    Here’s a guy I want giving input on higher ed in CO.

  10. Barron X says:

    .

    Publicity that shows Lamborn leading a congressional subcommittee and standing up to “inappropriate” images of naked children … potentially plays well in the 5th CD.

    … overshadows the news that a special prosecutor was appointed this week to investigate a complaint that one of Lamborn’s TV ads inaccurately portrays a bank his opponent co-founded.

    Meanwhile, Lamborn says he has no plans to view the “inappropriate” photo.

    Seems to me that Blaha needs to jump on this today; most ballots will be returned this week.  

    But is there anything there to exploit ?  

    .

  11. RedGreenRedGreen says:

    You need to sign in under your usual name, otherwise Polsters won’t go nuts and start talking about home schooling and whatnot.

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