Wednesday Open Thread

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  by: Colorado Pols Wed September 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM MDT

“However things may seem, no evil thing is success and no good thing is failure.”

–Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


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  1. Duke Coxdukeco1 says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM MDT

    looks like I will be here for about a month…My mission, while here, is to push the Tadpole down the page as far as possible…among other things.

  3. Albert J. Nock says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM MDT

    “If every American taxpayer had to submit an extra five or ten thousand dollars to the IRS this April to pay for the war, I’m quite certain it would end very quickly. The problem is that government finances war by borrowing and printing money, rather than presenting a bill directly in the form of higher taxes. When the costs are obscured, the question of whether any war is worth it becomes distorted.” Ron Paul

    • MADCO says:
      Wed September 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM MDT

      If only anyone was going to vote for the guy.

      And if only he wasn’t such a heartless, hypocritical bastard.

      But, wishes and horses and all.

    • parsingreality says:
      Wed September 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM MDT

      WWII was financed by borrowing directly via War Bonds and higher taxes on the wealthy. No borrowing from China then, although I can’t speak to the big bankers like the Rothschilds.

      Anyway, every time an American bought a war bond, he or she was acutely aware of the cost of war.  

      A secondary purpose for the bonds was to take money out of circulation and reduce demand for consumer goods.

      By the time Viet Nam rolled around the economics favorite toys, guns or butter, became guns and butter.  

      Bush, of course kept the costs of Iraq and Franistan off of the books.  ”Hey, look, I’m doing pretty well when I don’t pay my bills!” That’s one of the reasons the debt appeared to go up so much under Obama.  I.e., no bullshit. Finally.

      The cost of wars, past, present, and future consume about 65% of our discretionary budget.  But we need to cut services to the poor and elderly????  WTF?  (Not saying you, Nook, do.  I don’t know.)

  4. Albert J. Nock says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM MDT

    “How fast will we have to do that (raise the IOER)?” he asked. “How rapid will it have to go up? We don’t have a clue. Raising the IOER where you have a trillion and half or two trillion dollars in

    reserves, we have absolutely zero experience with it.”

    Charles Plosser Philadelphia Fed President

     

    • Libertad says:
      Wed September 26, 2012 at 6:16 PM MDT

      We all had so much hope.  

      • Phoenix RisingPhoenix Rising says:
        Wed September 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM MDT

        But unfortunately for you, Obama’s policies have little to do with it since Republicans have blocked those policies in order to damage Obama.

        Let me repeat that: Republicans have put party over country by blocking economic recovery policies.

          • Libertad says:
            Thu September 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM MDT

            The government can’t create the level of jobs that have gone missing on Obamas’ watch.

            • Phoenix RisingPhoenix Rising says:
              Thu September 27, 2012 at 7:09 AM MDT

              Governments have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs around the country due to the bankster recession, many of them vital positions; state government budgets lag the economy by a year or two due to the nature of their revenue stream. Obama has on multiple occasions pushed for an aid package to the states to help tide them over through the recession.

              Our infrastructure (bridges, schools, etc.) need maintenance badly. Obama has on multiple occasions called for an infrastructure works stimulus which would employ many construction workers through the otherwise down construction economy.

              If Republicans were serious about fixing the economy, they could have agreed to let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire, and agreed to at least fund the budget at current levels plus stimulus to help us bounce out of the recession. That would have provided the certainty Republicans seem to indicate is keeping the economy slow, and it would have prevented our credit downgrade last summer (and possibly a future downgrade this winter if Republicans keep the House).

              PS – you might want to check the current state of facts. Obama is down less than 200,000 jobs from the February 2009 jobs report, the closest one to when he took over; either of the above programs would put him in the net positive jobs column, and chances are he’ll be net positive before his next term starts.

  5. dwyer says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 7:38 PM MDT

    The rest of you might consider it.

    • Car 31 says:
      Wed September 26, 2012 at 7:52 PM MDT

      Very much agreed, Dwyer.

      He has a right to post here, but the talking points, the cut/paste, the silliness doesn’t need to drive replies.

      Not one person’s mind is changed by either the original post or the, oftentimes, mean replies.

      Let it go.

      Y’all will live happier.

      • Fidel's dirt nap says:
        Wed September 26, 2012 at 8:20 PM MDT

        I think I am going to do my best to do the same and refrain.  I guess he thinks a bunch of people calling him a stupid asshole every day is some sort of achievement.

        • Gray in Mountains says:
          Wed September 26, 2012 at 8:31 PM MDT

          count that as a win. I also think they count as a win when folks drop out like David, Ralphie, MotR, etc

          • VoyageurVoyageur says:
            Wed September 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM MDT

            There is simply a process of blog burnout, where a poster will go nova, post lots of stuff, then burn out.  It’s happened to me from time to time.  Right-wingers aren’t immune to it.  BJWilson set a record with more than 500 responses to his diary arguing that the world was literally created in six days, etc.  Of course, that was 500 posts saying he was an idiot, and 500 replies from him saying, I’m not an idiot, you’re a leftist skank.

              After a while, even righties tire of being punching bags. But obviously, for the tadpole, the best policy is to let sleeping trolls lie.  Otherwise, you have to read, or at least glance at, those stultifying cut and paste jobs.

        • VanDammerVanDammer says:
          Thu September 27, 2012 at 7:21 AM MDT

          Its a game and the asshole is keeping score (proven by his pride in response counting).  Sorry that so many fall for bait and give the asshole even so much as an ounce of recognition.  You’re being played by an idiot.  A rightie racist idiot.  Aren’t you smarter than that?

  6. ProgressiveCowgirlProgressiveCowgirl says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 9:00 PM MDT

    Hired by Pols to post so much that he boosts their ad revenue.

  7. harrydobyharrydoby says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 9:20 PM MDT

    Looking for news of ArapaGOP (you know he’s been gone for almost a week now — layoffs in the county GOP, perhaps?), I went to http://www.arapahoerepublicans…

    But my anti-virus gave me this warning:

    VIPRE has determined that the site

    you are trying to visit contains potentially harmful or objectionable content.

    To proceed to this site: In VIPRE, open

    “File/Settings/Firewall” and add the URL to

    “Bad Web Site Exceptions…”

    Is it worth the risk?

  8. VoyageurVoyageur says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 10:16 PM MDT

    I’m cutting way back until they get real officials back.  It wasn’t just the final bad call that robbed the packers.  I watched only the last quarter of that game and saw the packer scoring drive burn out in mid-field, only to be revived by a wholly unjustified pass interference call.

      Then the Seasicks benefitted from similar charity on their final drive even before the NFLclusterfuck on thye final hail mary.

      This was farce, not football.

       I’m putting the Greedhead owners, who are screwing us all to cheat the real refs out of less than $100,000 per team by among other things, taking away their pension plans, that I will watch as little of their crap as I can (ok, I’ll still watch the Broncos, but only with a barf bag handy) and also go out of my way NOT to buy products advertised on the NFL until they replace the Keystone Kops with real refs.

  9. AristotleAristotle says:
    Wed September 26, 2012 at 11:21 PM MDT

    And it’s the GOP committing it. Surprised? Of course not!

    The Republican Party of Florida’s top recipient of 2012 expenditures, a firm by the name of Strategic Allied Consulting, was just fired on Tuesday night, after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were discovered to have been turned in by the group to the Palm Beach County, FL Supervisor of Elections.

    The firm appears to be another shell company of Nathan Sproul, a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.

    That’s just for starters.

    Moreover, the firm is also reportedly operating similar voter registration operations on behalf of the Republican Party, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, in a number of key battleground states this year, including North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. Strategic Allied has recently taken steps to hide their ownership by Sproul’s notorious firm, Sproul & Associates.

    Maybe the diary about the girl registering only Romney voters is connected? I sure thought that sounded fishy, and the comments to the effect that “she’s young and confused” didn’t allay my suspicions.

  10. Phoenix RisingPhoenix Rising says:
    Thu September 27, 2012 at 5:10 AM MDT

    Sorry, I can’t keep myself away from this story; it’s political satire so bad it’s good.

    Today’s fun update from the Miami Herald: the Democratic “challenger” that Rep. Rivera fronted in the primary race has turned on his former benefactor…

    [Fake Democratic challenger] Sternad, 35, also told authorities that his campaign manager, Ana Sol Alliegro, acted as the conduit between the campaign and [Republican Rep. David] Rivera, who allegedly steered unreported cash to the Democrat’s campaign, according to sources familiar with the investigation and records shared with The Herald.

    Sternad said Alliegro referred to the congressman by his initials, “D.R.,” and called him by the nickname, “The Gangster.”

    Really?  ”The Gangster”?  It’s straight out of an HBO series or cheesy political novel.

    Sternad also says Rivera promised him a better job if he ran for the Dem. nomination, which I believe is also a no-no.

    • MADCO says:
      Thu September 27, 2012 at 6:38 AM MDT

      more like 7th grade.

      Was a felony committed?  

      • Phoenix RisingPhoenix Rising says:
        Thu September 27, 2012 at 7:00 AM MDT
        • Falsification of documents
        • False testimony (in most cases, I believe filing for Federal office is an “under oath” affirmation)
        • laundering money/accepting laundered money
        • tampering with a witness (and possibly causing or aiding her disappearance)

        (In Rivera’s case, many of these may be “conspiracy to …” or “caused …”)

        In addition to the above, Rep. Rivera is still under investigation by the FBI and IRS for corruption and criminal campaign finance violations (such as using the campaign credit card to rack up $65,000 in personal expenses).

  12. Sir RobinSir Robin says:
    Thu September 27, 2012 at 7:29 AM MDT

    “Why would the republicans want to convince people that they are ahead in the polls when they are not, unless they plan to steal the election away from the voters using fraud, dirty tricks, and voter suppression, so they don’t want the people to realize they have been swindled?

    I think we had better assume that we are being swindled into thinking that the Democrats are ahead, so we won’t continue to think that each and every one of our votes is extremely important. Forget the polls. The polls lie. Every single one of our votes is extremely important!”

    • BlueCat says:
      Thu September 27, 2012 at 8:38 AM MDT

      it’s by enough to make anyone complacent.  As to your theory, I’m sure they are trying their hardest to suppress and I’m sure they’ll try to steal everything they can.  But I think the business with the polls is mainly to keep people giving money.

      Stories abound of big donors who are privately saying they no longer think Romney can win and many Senatorial and congressional races aren’t looking as good for them as they used to either.  They need for those checks to keep coming and that means they need to fight discouragement.  

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