Tuesday Open Thread

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  by: Colorado Pols Tue October 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM MDT

“Profit is sweet, even if it comes from deception.”

–Sophocles


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    • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:
      Tue October 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM MDT

      to the President for challenging his profession of faith. Did you think I would forget?

      • Barron X says:
        Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM MDT

        Duke, brother.  If you go back and check what you wrote,

        as well as what I wrote,

        you’ll see that I laid out a logical explanation of why Obama was a Muslim at birth.  

        You didn’t like the logic, but neither did you refute it.  

        He was born a Muslim.  He had NO CHOICE in the matter.  

        I believe that he is, today, a Christian.

        Why do I believe that ?  

        Because he said so.  That’s good enough for me.  

        • AristotleAristotle says:
          Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM MDT

          Faith is an adult choice. And there’s no evidence that, even as a child, Obama ever actually practiced anything.

          You’re wrong about that and you ought to admit it.

          • Barron X says:
            Tue October 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM MDT

            I’m talking about identity and belonging and culture.  

            It’s just silly to proclaim that people don’t belong to any religion until they make a conscious choice as an adult.

            But you didn’t exactly say that.

            Golly, even our government proclaims 8-year-old boys to be Muslim militants, if they happen to be killed in a drone strike.  

             

            • AristotleAristotle says:
              Tue October 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM MDT

              then you’re still off the mark. That implies a household full of Islamic culture, if not a presence in an Islamic community. The known facts are that he had neither. His parents separated when he was less than a month old, and his mother certainly never embraced or practiced Islam.

              You’re pulling this out of thin air.

        • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:
          Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM MDT

          My point was that NO child is ANYTHING at birth…except an infant. I will let your non-apology explanation suffice, but only because I am such a nice guy…since birth.  :)

        • raymond1 says:
          Tue October 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM MDT

          Because, you know, you and your 8 friends are the CONSTITUTION party so you oppose the equal opportunity for all religious views enshrined in the Constitution’s First Amendment and Clause barring religious tests for public office.

          Claiming to be a constitutionalist while believing in exclusion based on religion is kind of like being a Christian without believing in Jesus, or a Jew without being a monotheist. (To avoid being outraged at you, I’m trying to remind myself that your bigotry is hilariously incoherent fringe lunacy shared by barely enough folks in the state to fill a Starbucks.)

    • CaninesCanines says:
      Tue October 9, 2012 at 7:04 PM MDT

      You get to spend the next hour or so revisiting your stances and attempting to deflect criticism.

      Congratulations.

  3. Barron X says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM MDT

    4 candidates showed up for the CU Regent @ Large debate last night at UCCS, but is was really only a 2-way fight, Ludwig v. Belmont.  

    The Republican and Libertarian candidates just didn’t have the fire in the belly.  

    Incumbent Ludwig was in top form, witty, funny, engaging.  

    18-year-old Belmont, still in High school, representing the Constitution Party, stood toe-to-toe, took some jabs, and parried with a few of his own, but even Belmont’s corner scored this round for Steve.

    It doesn’t help that Ludwig has a campaign fund.  

    And I learned last night, from Steve, that even Camille has endorsed him.  

  4. parsingreality says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM MDT

    A huge part of our four page ballot consists of eleven constitutional amendments, all offered up by the Republican controlled legislature.  There were twelve, but one was struck down by the (ACTIVIST!) court.

    Without going into detail of each one, the League of Women Voters has suggested a NO vote on all eleven.  The local paper suggests one (lukewarm) YES, one MAYBE, your choice, and nine NO’s.  See a pattern here?

    Three or four of the proposed amendments have to do with giving additional homestead exemptions to certain vets, certain widows, first responders, etc.  The rationale for a NO vote is the complexity layered upon existing complexities in the constitution.

    OK, those amendments might as well have come from Dems, too.  But here are the absolutely, definitely, Republican ones:

    Amendment 1: To make sure that Florida doesn’t participate in………..you got it…..the ACA.  

    Amendment 3: To set a new cap on state expenditures….that will overlay the one we already have.  Can you spell TABOR?

    Amendment 5: Purely and brazenly an attempt to grab judicial power by the legislature.  They want secret files on the (ACTIVIST!) judges, ability to remove them.  The Pubes are working hard at removing three judges up for approval by the voters.  What part of “Separation of Powers” do these parasites not understand?

    Amendment 6: Enshrine federal law about funding of abortions into the state constitution.  Redundant.  Also narrows the scope of privacy as approved by voters in 1980.

    Amendment 7: Given the boot by ACTIVIST judges.

    Amendment 8:  Under the guise of “Religious Freedom,” removes the state-church barrier to allow public monies “Except as prohibited by the First Amendment,” to go to religious bodies.  Wow!  

    Amendment 12


    “The final state amendment on the ballot would change the way the student representative on the state university system’s Board of Governors is selected. It would create a new council of student body presidents.

    The Legislature wants to amend the constitution for this? Oh, please.

    ”

    So, there’s how Pubicans are trying to destroy the constituion of Florida, all the while ignoring the constitution of the USA.  

    • caroman says:
      Tue October 9, 2012 at 9:07 PM MDT

      The huge FL ballot (even longer than what you mentioned in several counties) coupled with early voting days cut in half will cause impossibly long voter lines resulting in voter suppression.  This is how the GOP will steal the election this time in FL.  Not to mention CO failing to mail “permanent” ballots to those who didn’t vote in 2010.

      I’m getting angry now.

  5. nancycronk says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM MDT

    Please direct everyone you can to http://www.govotecolorado.com, and remind them to check their registration status, address, and mail-in ballot status. Thanks!

  6. parsingreality says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM MDT

    A few days ago the ACTIVIST judges in Florida allowed our Republican SOS to proceed with voter roll purging.

    Funny how ACTIVIST is OK when it helps them.  

  9. Duke Coxdukeco1 says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM MDT

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

    I have no words except…Holy Shit!!!

  10. GiveEmHellHarry says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM MDT

    Dan Pabon gave a great speech at the Denver Democratic Dinner.  It addressed some real issues and shows that he is someone to be reckoned with.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

    Thanks to Owen Perkins for posting this.

  11. Gray in Mountains says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM MDT

    but note the absence of ‘tad and his mentee. They must be at a clinic to understand how Rmoney is becoming a moderate

    • parsingreality says:
      Tue October 9, 2012 at 9:43 PM MDT

      His Sunday column was about how Rmoney has gone moderate.  He approves.  

      The big mystery is why it took him so long. Once he had the nomination sewn up, that’s the norm.  

      • CaninesCanines says:
        Tue October 9, 2012 at 10:59 PM MDT

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

        “I have a serious question for David Brooks, who is hailing Romney’s Bain record. Do you know how private equity works?” Taibbi, a contributing editor for Rolling Stone, wrote about New York Times columnist David Brooks on Twitter on Tuesday. He continued: “I bet he doesn’t have the faintest clue what companies like Bain actually do.”

        *

        In that column referenced by Taibbi, Brooks wrote that President Barack Obama represents “big government,” and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney represents “capitalism.” Romney’s task, he wrote, is to “define the kind of capitalist he is and why the country needs his virtues.”

        *

        …Also in 2010, Taibbi wrote that Brooks works “as a professional groveler and flatterer who three times a week has to come up with new ways to elucidate for his rich readers how cosmically just their lifestyles are.”

  12. Albert J. Nock says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 10:58 PM MDT

    The biggest problem with Obama is that he was a citizen of Indonesia which means he had to renounce his American citizenship or lie to Indonesia because they do not allow dual citizenship. Unless he lied or reapplied, he does not qualify to be POTUS or Senator.

  13. Albert J. Nock says:
    Tue October 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM MDT

    Horrible singer.

    • Barron X says:
      Wed October 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM MDT

      who sings the anthem so loud that you can’t hear today’s guest crooner.  

      I figure that, having stood guard on a post right on the MDL in the middle of the Korean DMZ, I’ve earned that right.  

      I would never get picked for “The Voice” or “America’s got Talent” or “Idol.”  

      But I also love it when I hear folks who sing even worse than me, giving it all they’ve got.  

      Being half Korean, that half was raised where she had to get up in front of her class and sing, frequently.  No wallflowers in the home of KPOP.  

      If I have a point, it’s that I applaud the singer in that tape for having the gumption to get up on stage and go for it.  

      ….

      Was there something else to that post ?  

      I’m not so big on lapel pins or outward displays of patriotism.  I’m watching what a person does, instead.  

      He didn’t “refuse” to salute the flag, he forgot.  

      And Obama the Muslim (snark) does support core American values, when he’s not killing folks extrajudicially, or detaining them indefinitely without charge.    

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