Monday Open Thread

“Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe.”

–Abraham Lincoln

37 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Libertad says:

    Let’s go fact checking with Obama….

    1. Gays serving peacefully and without threat in the military, check

    2. No work requirement for welfare, check

    3. New $1 Trillion healthcare tax on middle class, check

    4. Nearly 15% “official” U-6 unemployment, check

    5. All Americans forced to buy health insurance and have an ID to prove it, check

    6. Most Americans free to vote without ID, check

    7. Most Americans required to have an ID for public library “checkout” privileges or buy certain over-the-counter medications, check

    8. High double digit “official” unemployment for women, blacks and Hispanics, check

    9. More nuke negotiation room promised to Vladimir, check

    10. Personally gave the order to take down Osama, he watched it live, and took the credit, check

    11. Still scaring seniors and minorities with leadership comments such as, “their going to put y’all back in chains”, check

    12. Over $1 Trillion in unaccounted “stimuli”, check

    13. National debt at $16 Trillion and no plan to tamp it back, check

    14. Lowest house sales and mortgage interest rates in 40 years, check

    15. Lowest business starts per capita – ever, check

    16. Nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps, check

    17. Business-individuals-non profits forced to offer health plans that counter their religion, check

    18. 25,000 potential Keystone pipeline jobs frozen, check

    19. Solyndra-Vestis-Abound workers promised gov’t driven sunshine now unemployed, check

    20. Trillions in new FICA tax receipts promised, check

    21. More government spending, higher taxes & less local control of government promised, check

    22. 50%+ DPS dropout rate yet charters succeeding, check

    23. Social Security as we know it on course to collapse with no rational plan to fix it, check

    24. Medicare/caid as we know it on course to collapse with no plan to fix, check

    25. Fast & Furious … exporting weapons for terrorists and attempting to cover it up, check

    26. Firm plans to hike income and capital gains taxes, check

    27. Firm plans to divert even more private capital for government spending, check

    28. 31 million Americans out of work, check

    29. Obama budget pushes USA to fiscal cliff by 2022, check

    30. Obama promised to cut deficit by 50%, national debt hiked from $10T to $16T, check

    31. Obama promised unemployment under 8%, now 43 months above 8%, check

    32. 3% surtax on American medical device manufacturers, check

    33. Obamacare erects barriers to competition for drugcos and against consumers, check

    34. $4, $5, & $6 gas available nationwide, check

    Dividing America vs uniting and leading America, check

    • IndyNinjaIndyNinja says:

      Do you really just wake up early everyday, log on to COPols, and hit refresh until the open thread is posted?

      Do you have such a meaningless life that you feel the need to cut and paste this into the open thread every single day?

      If you really believe any of this crap you post (post of which doesn’t even make sense), then I hope you realize the damage you do to your own cause by being obnoxious about it. If you are just doing it for the purpose of being obnoxious and “sticking it to liberals” at COPols, then I guess more power to you.

      But seriously, I know five-year-olds with more sophisticated persuasion tactics than simply repeating the same thing over and over again.

      Get a job, get a life, find a better way to spend you time. Maybe read a book or two.  

    • Libertad says:

      It appears through other polling that Obama maybe in greater trouble then I imagined.

      Romney winning Colorado? Colorado Peak Politics has a very insightful news article that reveals … well some interesting facts. http://coloradopeakpolitics.co

      The Denver Post SurveyUSA poll has some interesting demographics that appeared in their marijuana story. Looking closely at them shows why Romney is highly likely to win Colorado.

      Compare the Post demographics to other sources about Colorado’s demographic makeup – focusing on Anglos, Hispanics and all other racial/ethnic groups. Pundits and pollsters use previous elections’ exit polls and US Census data. Census itself has two analyses: a “Voting and Registration” report for 2008 and the American Community Survey 2011 report.

      …snip polling data that shows 1-4% oversampling at various points for Obama….

      For whatever reason, the Post did not report the Romney-Obama breakout by race or ethnic groups. American Research Group’s (ARG) Colorado poll (completed the day before SurveyUSA started the Post poll) has the following near mirror image breakout:

      Race – Obama Romney

      White – 42%:53%

      Hispanic – 54%:40%

      IF the Post over-estimated the number of Hispanic voters (as seems highly probable), that would reduce Obama’s final results. And we’ll see something, I’d wager, like the ARG result: Romney up 4% over Obama.

      More relevant or instructive …aka as disturbing to liberals … are the 40% of Hispanic voters who indicated they are planning to vote for Romney-Ryan.

      Don’t make a false predictor of me … OFA and the Obama Super PACs need to step it up. The collection of funds has been merciless, although some questionable foreign deposition to Obama are muddying the waters …. when will we see action?

  2. Libertad says:

    One month after the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, Clinton said the administration is committed to uncovering the truth about what happened.

    “There is much we still don’t know and I am the first to say that,” Clinton told reporters at the State Department after meeting with Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi.

    “But as someone who has been at the center of this tragedy from the beginning, I do know this: there is nobody in this administration motivated by anything other than trying to understand what happened,” she said.

    Now Obama and his Sunday morning spin specialists told it was an obscure YouTube video…yet the assisination of ambassador Stevens seems now to be called a planned attack on of all days Sept 11th!

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25

  3. davebarnesdavebarnes says:


    LIMON, CO-Saying the 1,800-pound bovine had it coming, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar decked a wise-ass bison during his recent visit to the Prairie Ridge Buffalo Farm, sources confirmed Saturday.

    The prick buffalo reportedly exhibited a shit attitude from the moment Salazar stepped out of his car and began touring the ranch, his provocations eventually leading the secretary to coldcock the herd animal. According to witnesses, the bison loudly chewed on grass and sedges while he spoke, and grunted repeatedly, even when Salazar confronted him and said, “You shut the hell up, or I promise this won’t end pretty for you.”

    http://tinyurl.com/8tx3amd

  4. Libertad says:

    YouTube Lara Logan on Obama’s foreign policy

    http://youtu.be/9BD7CYLTndk

    Interestingly I haven’t seen Obama or any delegate of his address this 60 Minutes reporters assertions of what’s occurring overseas.

  5. Diogenesdemar says:

    at Sunday school this week, honey?

    Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10

  6. DaftPunkDaftPunk says:

    Go to Google today for a cute animated homage to author Winsor McCay.

  7. Diogenesdemar says:

    Koch brothers to workers: Vote for Romney or ‘suffer the consequences’


    As a contentious election season enters its final weeks, a flurry of communication from corporate leaders to rank-and-file workers strongly implies that voting for Obama could imperil their jobs and their financial stability.

    Employees of a paper company owned by the outspoken billionaire Koch brothers received a mailing warning that they could “suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation, and other ills” if they voted for candidates not supported by Koch-owned companies or its political fund-raising arm.

    . . .

    In the private sector, though, such instances skew pro-Romney. The candidate himself suggested that business owners adopt this practice during a virtual town hall meeting with the National Federation of Independent Businesses back in June.

    “I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections,” he said, telling the audience, “Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I believe that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision.”

    http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/

    Not to worry though folks . . . likely entirely legal.  Let’s ask the Supremes, just the next logical step after Citizens United.

    • Libertad says:

      The managers have all seen budget cutbacks, lower pay,  and resource constraints under Obama and the day to day employees have all had to worry about their job or that of their spouse.

      I wonder just how bad Koch Industries have had to lean on their employees with the rising costs of healthcare and energy?

      • Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

        “under Obama” seems to be your favorite. You omit the rest of the sentence…”and the Teaparty Congress”. You continue to try to convince readers of this blog that it’s all on Obama, as though he were a monarch and is solely responsible for EVERYTHING bad that happens.

        Everyone but you knows that to be bullshit. I think even you do, but you are too much of a partisan hack asshole and too immature to realize that your habit of insulting the intelligence of Pols readers COMPLETELY destroys your credibility. I don’t mind, of course, that you embarrass even the most partisan republicans (your asshat brethren AGOP, Nock, and TDFGOTB excepted), because it ends up helping to get Democrats elected.

        When Dubya was president, you had a different point of view, remember? Nothing was his fault, it was all those Democrats in Congress. We should thank you, I suppose, for helping Obama get elected, but you are so crushingly obnoxious it is difficult to hold that thought for more than a few seconds.

  8. harrydobyharrydoby says:

    As Dukeco1 pointed out Friday Romney thinks that the uninsured have plenty of access to healthcare and that no one dies for the lack thereof.

    I really hope this comes up in tomorrow’s debate.  Paul Krugman has a few choice words on the matter:

    [G]oing to the emergency room when you’re very sick is no substitute for regular care, especially if you have chronic health problems. When such problems are left untreated – as they often are among uninsured Americans – a trip to the emergency room can all too easily come too late to save a life.

    That should seem pretty obvious, right?  Apparently not to Mitt.

    Gee, what could Romney/Ryan be thinking?

    So let’s be brutally honest here. The Romney-Ryan position on health care is that many millions of Americans must be denied health insurance, and millions more deprived of the security Medicare now provides, in order to save money. At the same time, of course, Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan are proposing trillions of dollars in tax cuts for the wealthy. So a literal description of their plan is that they want to expose many Americans to financial insecurity, and let some of them die, so that a handful of already wealthy people can have a higher after-tax income.

    Then eventually, those estimated 72 million folks that lose their insurance will grow smaller in number “naturally”.

  9. harrydobyharrydoby says:

    Both letters were great — the first especially: forceful, well-reasoned, and eloquent.

    The second was righteously indignant.  So between the two of them, pretty much made the case for tossing Gessler from office at the next election, or when indictments are returned — whichever comes first.

  10. BlueCat says:

    But, as Mark Twain  implies, take plenty of time.  I paraphrase but he once said he would have written a shorter letter but he didn’t have time.  

  11. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    whether you mean his age or his IQ;-)

  12. harrydobyharrydoby says:

    and how he used that as his excuse for the excessive length of his posts.

    The letters of mine that have been published are usually a flash of inspiration, followed by as much post-flash whittling as needed.

    The ones that never get published are the ones that are a grind to produce.  Usually over-thought and over-written.

  13. BlueCat says:

    The letters of mine that have been published are usually a flash of inspiration, followed by as much post-flash whittling as needed.

    But even when you’re less inspired, any letter contributes to the numbers opposing the dark side. So it never hurts to send one in even if you’re just phoning it in.

    Of course this is all assuming anyone reads the MSM Denver paper anymore besides those of us looking for own letters!

  14. Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

    “keep it short and to the point…then take out half the words”.

  15. Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

    if there ever was one, I guess.

  16. ScottP says:

    Take, at the most, 5 of your points and create a diary post and I’ll discuss it with you.

    Otherwise you post a long list of crap, then I’ll post a long list of crap and we can have the same stupid conversation over and over.

  17. ScottP says:

    And show me when the Tea Party has embraced cooperation. When Obama got elected as President, he wanted to work across the aisle. Unfortunately, the Republicans ran further right and said, “Fuck you! If you want cooperation you have to do things our way.” Now you try to blame divisiveness on Obama? Srsly?

  18. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    to being a family man.  at least, to certain days being “family time” which is language you seldom hear anyone but a parent use.  I’d guess mid 30s to mid 40s.  And, yes, arrested development if ever there was any.  At times he has shown some signs of growth but this dumbass thing of posting the same bullshit over and over again shows he has regressed.

  19. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    This is not news to anyone. If it news to you, then you are stupid.

  20. parsingreality says:

    Even David H had periods of little or no response, presumably as his business demanded.  But Tadpole seems to have a full time job here on Pols.

    Most peculiar.  

  21. Duke Coxdukeco1 says:

    certain days being “family time” which is language you seldom hear anyone but a parent use.

    He is referring to family time as those times when his parents put him in “time out”.

    :)

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