Elway Being Courted...For Governor

Very smart.

This is exactly where Elway needs to focus.  He needs one  more election under his belt to really be prepared for the 2010 run for guv.  Besides, Bob Schaffer is a better candidate for Senate than he is for guv--and it's visa versa with Governor Elway. 

As far as redistricting goes...I'm sure the GOP will control at least one house of legislature and Colorado will be very unlikely to get an extra congressional seat.  While I recognize redistricting to be a boondaggle in politics it may not actually hurt Colorado Republicans that much.  After all, the Democrats already redistricted Colorado to their liking to make room for Perlmutter in the 7th.

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by: Dr. Dobson has God-like qualities @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:37:34 PM CST

Has anybody ever heard Elway discuss political issues?

Is he informed, articulate, more articulate about politics than about football.

Grunts don't work in politics.

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by: Another skeptic @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:56:40 PM CST

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they have three years to "coach" him

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by: Car 31 @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:57:37 PM CST

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exactly

just look at ritter. he was terribly lacking at the start of the summer, but by the end his coaches had worked miracles. of course i would still like to know whether elway requires coaching or if he is articulate on his own!

now if the republicans can just get jake plummer to run on the dems ticket!

To whom much is given much is expected.

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by: cctiger @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:37:07 PM CST

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Hell no!

If the Dems were going to run an athlete/celebrity, I would draft Big Eddie McCaffrey! Ol' # 87, 6-5, 215 pounds, and a Stanford graduate.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:40:16 PM CST

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We all know what's going on here

This is just a clever ploy by Elway to get his name in the papers so he can get on Holtzman's RV next time.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:59:56 PM CST

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Eh?

Why do you say that the dems redistricted the state? Was it not decided by a judge? And the 7th was equally split amongst the group (== dems,reps, and all the rest)?

As it is, I have seen only 2 districts that were designed for political ends and that was 5 and 6. And both of those were republican designs.

I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.

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by: windbourne @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:04:48 PM CST

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CD 1 is certainly a dogfight every year n/t

To whom much is given much is expected.

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by: cctiger @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:43:36 PM CST

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So is CD 2

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by: Just For The Record @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:00:16 PM CST

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Yeah, but

were they designed by the dems (or any group)? Those districts have been around for eons. Basically, 7 was carved by a judge out of a number of districts to keep things even. But 5 and 6 were carved specifically to give republican advantages (obviously by the republicans). As to 1-4, well, they are what they are for decades. They have not been changed to any degree to play with populous, or have they? If there borders have not changed much, then any changes in the political parties are simply new demographics moving in. You can not blame any political party about that.

I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.

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by: windbourne @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:56:59 PM CST

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IIRC

The judge essentially picked the "Democratic" plan, which was proposed as a way to increase the number of competitive districts.  The "Republican" plan was to create essentially another GOP district, and the judge liked the idea of "competitive".

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:27:38 PM CST

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Maybe we'll forget

he beat his ex wife by 2010... maybe not.

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by: mountain man @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:30:31 PM CST

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I see the obvious connection

You can throw a football so obviously you're qualified to lead the State.

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by: Majority Moderate @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:43:11 PM CST

Puppet Candidate

He donates money to the GOP, so they want to continue their abuse of him by exploiting his name to inturn exploit colorado voters in time for redistricting.

Republicans only USE people, they don't work for the people.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:59:05 PM CST

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Not sure about Elway

But if any of you have heard of Tom Osborne, the guy was a great politician in Nebraska. He was very well educated and respected. He lost this last election because he wouldn't come out as absolutely opposed to abortion.

I don't think too highly of most football players, but in some cases I'd rather have a football player than an idiot politician in office (read: Lamborn).

To whom much is given much is expected.

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by: cctiger @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:42:37 PM CST

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Not the point

I'm not down on Elway because he's a football player. He's also a business man, and has been up till now a good one (as most had said about Arnold being a movie start and business man), but other than him being a republican donor, what do we know of his stance on any issue?

Nothing. The only thing people know about him is he was the QB of the Denver Bronco's and won the Superbowl twice. Great. I just wish he is a priveleged man like the oracl of omaha who understand business and public policy. Not just a the play actions.


"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:26:50 PM CST

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And for the record

I am in no way supporting Mr. Elway. Most voters do want someone who has previously held an elected office. However, it is possible to not have held elected office and have stances on the issues, which is why I can't get too down on Mr. Elway (yet). His stances could be great or horrendous.

I had no contempt for Ritter until I heard his pathetic water plan, and I didn't hate on Beauprez until his campaign did everything wrong (which i'll admit was rather quickly). :)

To whom much is given much is expected.

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by: cctiger @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 16:03:00 PM CST

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I'd rather see him on the other side of the park...

He should go after Hick. Aside from it being... like, you know... destiny, it would knock down the myth of St. John the Hick, undermine the DEM's hold on the 1st, look fantastic in Sept. 2008 and tee Elway up just fine if he really wants to run for GOV in 2010 (if that is what we really want).

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by: Iron_Mike @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:45:34 PM CST

Undermine the Dem's hold on the 1st???

Kind of like we undermined the GOP's hold on the 5th? What a laugh.

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by: WinstonSmith @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:04:08 PM CST

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at least the Dems ran candidates in all seven C.D.'s......even if a couple of them ended up being cannon fodder

It's sad when a major political party lets any major race go uncontested, even without putting up a "paper candidate."

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:13:13 PM CST

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I think he lives in Cherry Hills, not Denver

Does that disqualify him, legally?  Or just with the voters?

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:43:21 PM CST

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running him for mayor is a very intriguing idea.......

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:16:30 PM CST

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Mayor John Elway of Denver

Easily the dumbest idea ever hatched is that of Elway running for Governor. But the more I think of it, the more I like the idea of him running for Mayor of Denver. Iron mike is totally right is the benefits. If he wins, maybe he'll be ready for Governor in four years or Degette's seat in two. If he loses, but is close, again maybe he can take on DeGette. If he completely loses... No sweat off any one's nose. He still owns the Crush, he is still in the Hall of Fame, and he gave the GOP the only possible challenger to Hickenlooper. What's not to like?
However, is he eligible? That is the question.

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by: Splitting Hairs @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 16:14:44 PM CST

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Elway for the 1st CD!

Elway could be a credible candidate for the 1st CD, has great name ID, the devotion of inner-city voters, and would not have to move from his current home to represent the widely varying interests of Denver.  He could weigh in on city and state issues without the day-to-day governance of Mayor or Governor.  Look out Cong. DeGette; here comes lucky #7?!!

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by: marysmith @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 12:54:10 PM CST

Yes

Elway for CD-1, Bob for Senate.

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by: We Need Bob @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:01:57 PM CST

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Name ID is not all that big a deal.

You can pretty much BUY name ID.

If Elways runs for Governor, he'll get beat.  If Elways runs for Senate, he'll get beat.  If Elway runs for CD 6, he'll probably win.

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by: sharktacos @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:01:01 PM CST

Oh yeah,

and Hick beats him too.

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by: sharktacos @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:01:27 PM CST

Football

The people who actually would be impressed by Elway that they would actually vote for him because he was a good player, DON'T vote.  Elway would lose big.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:10:23 PM CST

I'm not so sure of that, MRD.

Plenty of football fans vote.  However, I do think that plenty of voters would do anything other than vote for a football hero.  Like me.

I do respect that JE followed a smart business path and didn't wind up in retired pro poverty. There are others out there with a great name who have.  But that doesn't make him a good politician.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:46:25 PM CST

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Who cares what John Elway

says or does. Really.
Just because he could bring a football team down the field in the last two minutes of a game does not mean he will make a good leader.
What are his values? Morals? Etc?
Is he liberal? Conservative? Pro killing babies or not?

And besides, the Colorado Broncos suck.

Now maybe bring Jim McMahon in the ring.........
2nd thought, naw. Football in general sucks.

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:08:10 PM CST

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I didn't say that

I didn't say that football fans don't vote.  I was clear that people who would actually be impressed by a man because he was a football player and that somehow those skills translate to making good public policy, would NOT VOTE because they never do, or won't in significant enough numbers to matter.  Ritter will have to really screw up or be really unexciting to lose against Elway.

By the way, "businessman"?  You're kidding me.  He used all his millions from football, invested it and got a bundle.  He's hardly a Bill Gates who started in a garage with nothing.  What's the latest charity he's given $10 million to that gained any media coverage?  he's clearly selfish too.  If you have info on his philanthropy, I'd like to see it (and it has to be BIG dollar contributions, not small).

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:35:50 PM CST

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Gates didn't start in a garage

For the record, he's the son of wealthy parents.  Elway came from the middle class, not Gates.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:45:04 PM CST

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Gates

Started with just a good idea.  Once Elway got to Stanford, he was set.  besides, look at all the good Gates has done for the world, between his business and philanthropy. What has Elway done?  Nothing!  He's so greedy!

Besides, Elway bilked the taxpayers of our state out of multi-millions of dollars in an extortion scheme, ie. build the new stadium at taxpayer's expense or we'll leave, boohooboohoo.  Talk about pigging out at the public trough--Elway has it down to a sport, literally.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:50:24 PM CST

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Now I'm beginning to worry.

We agree on this one....................scary eh?

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:55:47 PM CST

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Elway continued

Now, if he set up a fund for 1000 poor kids to go to Bronco games each year, I'd be impressed.

If he set up a fund so 1000 poor kids could go to college, I'd be very impressed.

If he got back together with his wife and showed "real family values", I'd be very very impressed.

If he visited Bill Clinton (whose wife stuck by him like Tammy Wynette) to make up for the blatantly partisan slam for not visiting him twice after Superbowl victories, despite the fact the rest of the team went, I'd be very very very impressed.

You get the picture.  There's not much to like about Elway.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:08:56 PM CST

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Elway shouldn't care about impressing you

You wouldn't vote for the guy even if he could walk on water.  Smart guys like Elway direct their efforts towards people with open minds.  They don't waste their time on those who've already decided they like the other guy better, even if they don't know who the other guy is yet.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:24:51 PM CST

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Hey!!! Don't you have a job or something?

He doesn't need your help!

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 17:00:25 PM CST

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Keep this up and I'll have to change my quote

"It's not that liberals don't know anything; it's just that they know so many things that aren't so." Ronald Wilson Reagan

Elway is wealthy, Gates is a multi-billionaire.  Comparing Elway's wealth and philanthropic activities to Gates' is like compaing Gates' looks and athletic accomplishments to Elway's. 

Elway did not such thing with regards to the new stadium.  He has no ownership interest in the Broncos.  The stadium was Pat  Bowlen's stunt.  Besides, the voters got to decide if they wanted to raise their taxes.  You have something agains the consent of the citizenry?

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:20:05 PM CST

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Elway

He was going to own 10% of the Broncos for $15 million in 1998 and had every interest in getting that new stadium built.

So, he only has about $100-$200 million dollars in the bank?  Again, boohoo, he's so poor.  Compare that dough with people who ride RTD, work for minimum wage--see how much they like their "idol" when it is revealed how much he cares about money and himself and how little he cares about them. 

He could give away $1million directly to poor kids moving ahead in Denver--that wouldn't hurt him at all, and it would be tax deductible anyway.  But it would make a real difference.  Before you say that he gives to the Bronco charity which gives to the poor, well, that's not good enough--he's the one who could run for Governor, not the Bronco's team.  Terrant Williams was more of an inspiration to kids getting out of gangs and getting a bright future, than Elway will ever be.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:43:41 PM CST

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The Politics of Envy

How do you know how much money Elway has?  I like to know your source.  My guess would be in the $50 to $60 million range.  But that's only a guess. There are probably a couple hundred people in Colorado with that type of wealth; are you fixated on them as well?  The guy earned his money.  Sure, he was born with God given athletic ability, movie star looks and above average intelligence but he's worked for everything else.

Terrant Williams?  Are you smoken' crack, Homey?  The recent lesson of Tarrent Williams is "If ya hang wit Crips, ya die wit Crips!"  Sure, it looked like he was going to beat the odds and make something of his life but he just couldn't escape the culture.  Sad.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 16:00:21 PM CST

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Oooops, It Is Darrent Williams

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 16:56:48 PM CST

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Reagan quote

Is that the same Reagan who benefited from the New Deal?  That his dad got work due to it?  And that he was a huge fan of?  And a labor leader?  Until he he got p-whipped by Nancy?

That RR?

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:05:35 PM CST

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You forgot

That opened his eye and became a Republican?

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:26:53 PM CST

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I wish he had stayed married to Jane Wyman

I loved her as Angela Channing on "Falcon Credt."

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:40:42 PM CST

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How about

"Father Knows Best"?  Only saw it in re-runs.  Black and White is cool!

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 19:09:14 PM CST

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No.

Nancy's family was very conservative.  RR was not enlightened, he was a traitor to his roots.  (He was also starting to taste the fruits of power through his union work.) 

RR could have been another, greater FDR except for meeting Nancy. 

I would say that any person who changes his core self in order to be loved by another had no integrity.

The decline of the middle class started smack in the RR administration.  Not to mention dealing with the Iranians prior to the election, more people in that administration went to prison than any other (RR should have been, too.)

Yes, RR was a great speaker, he wrote virtually all of his own speeches, to his credit.  He was folksy, good looking, instilled trust. I can see why folks got sucked in.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:53:53 PM CST

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There are a lot of us

Guess I'm a traitor to my roots too.  Grandparents did not graduate from high school;subsistance farmers/carpenter/factory workers.  My dad was career military(senior NCO) and mom stayed home to raise the kids.  I have a Teamsters card and I haven't voted for a Dem since Lamm in 1980!  God, I love America!

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:22:46 PM CST

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Nah...

You wouldn't recognize that you are willing to reap the benefits of the labor movement and then take positions exactly opposite....

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 21:34:27 PM CST

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I could just hear the 527 commercials now: Millionaire-Car Saleman-Over the Hill Jock John Elway..........

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:20:54 PM CST

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Keep it up and you'll be Pol of the Year in '08 as well.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:26:45 PM CST

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Sorry, my misinterpretation.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 18:06:47 PM CST

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made more $$$ in business than football

Elway has made more money in business than in football.
This guy is the real deal on and off the field.
Never easy to beat a sitting Governor but Elway would be the clear favorite if he runs in 2010

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by: Rabble or Rabble Rouser? @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 13:53:19 PM CST

are you one troll or many?

Apparently a lot of unemployed Republicans have to do something to keep themselves busy.

Elway as a candidate would be a joke.  Ten-second soundbites about your offensive line do *nothing* to prepare you for in-depth discussions of serious policy issues, and he'd look like a fool. Beauprez is an Einstein compared to Elway, and he lost in a landslide. Voters aren't that dumb.

And as a previous poster pointed out, Lynn Swann tried that route and promptly got his butt kicked by the sitting governor in Pennsylvania, Ed Rendell.

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by: bobster1 @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:06:16 PM CST

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Heath Schuler now in Congress

Remember him?  For all the yap about football guys not being able to do anything but yell HUT HUT HIKE, this former Bronco, Heath Schuler now represents the 11th district in Tennesee.  Please also look to Gerald Ford, Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, and JC Watts as serious, winning candidates who also happened to play football.

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by: marysmith @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:05:11 PM CST

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And also...

...Tom Osborn (NE CD-3), though he was really more of a coach.  Interestingly enough, folks in Nebraska considered him a rising star/good as gold kinda guy, but he got slaughtered in a republican primary.  Not for not being conservative enough - but for not being wonk'ish enough.  Plus, he ran a shitty campaign.  Anythewho... carry on.

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by: It's Me @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:18:30 PM CST

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he also

imposed tight campaign contribution limits, which didnt help his cause. i'd say it was mainly because of his stance on abortion though, the other guy said he was 110 percent against it.

To whom much is given much is expected.

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by: cctiger @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:53:21 PM CST

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Ask Lynn Swan

If Elway should run for gov.

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by: Democracy??? @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 14:14:18 PM CST

I saw Lynn Swan interviewed once on one of the sunday morning talk programs.....

it was sad.....I'm convinced he didn't understand how Roe v. Wade works.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:25:30 PM CST

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Divorce Records

I would love to see what Elway's divorce record would reveal about his outstanding moral character.  It did wonders for Jack Ryan's campaign in the Illinois Senate race.

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by: bayoubuff @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 15:04:34 PM CST

Yeah...

and far be it for the divorcee wife to maybe embellish a little about how her husband was such a scumbag and since that is the case she needs more money.  Wouldn't go looking for too much real facts in divorce/custody/family law records - truth is the first casualty of war.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 16:16:30 PM CST

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those sealed divorce files become unsealed real quickly in a political campaign

Remember how quickly Bruce Bensen's divorce file was unsealed during the '94 campaign?

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by: One Queer Dude @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 17:53:21 PM CST

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ex-wfie problems

I thought McInnis is the one with ex-wife problems.
Bottom line is all of the Elway kids have done well, not been arrested or turned to drugs. The comparison to Jack Ryan is a stretch at best. Divorce records are public records and the Elway file has not been sealed.

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by: Rabble or Rabble Rouser? @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 17:19:35 PM CST

Heath Schuler now in Congress

Remember him?  For all the yap about football guys not being able to do anything but yell HUT HUT HIKE, this former Bronco, Heath Schuler now represents the 11th district in Tennesee.  Please also look to Gerald Ford, Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, and JC Watts as serious, winning candidates who also happened to play football. 

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by: marysmith @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:16:22 PM CST

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Actually Heath Shuler represents the 11th CD in North Carolina

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by: bayoubuff @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 13:06:19 PM CST

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The outlook for Republicans in Colorado has gone from bleak about 4 months ago absolutely thrilling.

I haven't seen a better bench since the 2003 Yankees after they picked up A-Rod.  Let's just hope that, unlike the Yankees, the Republicans can work together and build a little chemistry that will make them the team to beat in Colorado again.

We can get Schaffer in the Senate, Elway in the governor's mansion, with McInnis to beat Salazar in 2010.  And the Democrats have nobody but John Salazar.  Ouch.

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by: Dr. Dobson has God-like qualities @ Tue Jan 16, 2007 at 20:29:13 PM CST

I'll agree with you...

This is indeed an exciting time.  The Dems are going to bring their leftist, extreme, totally-out-of-whack platform to Colorado and we Republicans are going to be able to sit back, point, and ask "is this what Colorado really wants?" 

Legislators get to hold and amend, vote no more often then not, and enjoy the hey.

Candidates will be able to very clearly articulate differences ("look at that - can you believe it?") and activists will - hopefully - get fired up once again.

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