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Schaffer Will Run for Senate

by: Colorado Pols

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 09:58:10 AM MST


Former Rep. Bob Schaffer has apparently decided that he will run for the U.S. Senate in 2008. Schaffer joins former Rep. Scott McInnis on the GOP side of the field.
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Sweet!
Holzy-Beauprez redux.  McInnis runs right to beat Schaffer in the primary, leaving Udall more room to pick up votes in the middle.  I'm not saying this makes Udall a shoo-in (he is still from Boulder, after all), but it improves his chances.
Udall is not from Boulder....
he is from Eldorado Springs.

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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Oh, Stop
You keep trying to sell that snake oil.  It won't work. People won't make the distinction.  Don't waste your breath.  And just in case you're wondering, I'm one of the middle people that Udall needs to pick up to win.  A disgruntled Republican who votes for lots of Dems.  So, don't piss me off.
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I don't care if....
you are a "gruntled" Republican.  Udall is from Eldorado Springs.

Manitou Springs is not Colorado Springs and Eldorado Springs is not Boulder.

Get a map...

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

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So?
Politically speaking a Dem representing the 2d CD is the flip side of a Repub representing the 5th CD.  Udall has been repeatedly elected on the strength of Boulder Democrats.  He will be painted with that brush, and his response had better be better than "but my house is in Eldorado Springs!"  I don't care whether Lamborn's house is in Manitou Springs or Colorado Springs, he is an El Paso County Republican, and Udall is a Boulder County Democrat, and that will be a factor in a state-wide race.
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Yes, he's a Democrat from Boulder County.
But he's not from Boulder as you first asserted.

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly
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You can bet Lamborn cares...
I don't know whether Eldorado Springs is really analogous to Manitou.  If so, though, then there is actually a good deal of significance to the distinction.  Manitou Springs is every bit as liberal as Boulder, if not more so.  Is Eldorado Springs as conservative as Monument and Interquest Parkway?  Being a fervent Colorado Springs local, I have no idea.

"... politics has been divided between two types of people: those who want more people to vote, and those who want fewer people to vote."
- Sen. Kerry
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No
It's a very hippy rock climbing community type of place.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning
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Great...
I see we get to have a repeat of the Beauprez crew valiantly arguing the difference a Denver suburb and Denver.
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nit-picking
Come on.  We all know that "Boulder" is a code word for "crazy liberal" just like "San Francisco". Splitting hairs over where Udall's house is located is not a game Dems can win.  A good look at Udall's record will tell people that the "crazy liberal" label isn't accurate and getting that message out will do more good than wasting time arguing about his address.
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...Udall..
...has been making slow progress trying to position himself as a moderate western's states dem. Dan Gibbs,  now leg., was a former aid of his and conveyed this approach. I think he may succeed, particularly if the repubs go right in the primaries...Udall will go unopposed and not have to pander to the hard left.  He stands a better than average chance.

"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." Gen. Chesty Puller
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did not Tim Wirth manage to overcome that God-awful disability of having the suffix "D-Boulder" after his name and go on to win a statewide race in '86?
  Has Colorado become more Republican since 1986?  (Did the GOP control both houses of the legislature as well as a majority of the U.S. House seats?)
  Mark will do fine against either B.S. or McScooter, and his supporters shouldn't waste time taking the right wing bait about his zip code.  I think either B.S. or Scotty will emerge from the GOP primary a little roughed up and lugging some heavy baggage.
  As long as Hank Brown decides against a return to the Senate, this race is Udall's to lose.
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If Schaffer is nominated, Udall will win
Real Republicans had better work hard for McInnis, or we'll have Udall in the Senate, supporting higher taxes, socialized medicine, increased unionization and an insulated, protectionist and inflationary American economy.

Real Republicans will vote for Udall before they'll vote for Schaffer, a Repulsive Republican Radical.

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Hurrah!
Let slip the dogs of War!

I hope McInnis and Schaffer devour each other, as Republicans are so apt to do in primaries!

A betting man
You know McInnis is going to throw the 11th Commandment right out the window. Anyone want to start a pool on when the first attack will come and from whom?

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
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Who cares?
I don't care who throws the first punch between McLobbyist and Schaffer as long as it is mean, vicious, untrue and sticks so that the Dems can use it!
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Concur!


"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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Ok,
How about what the first attack will entail? Any ideas?

While McInnis may be predictable in attacking first, I think Shaffer will go with the FEC violations investigation attack, or maybe even rubbing elbows with DeLay.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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McInnis will accuse B.S. of being a right-wing kook who will alienate moderate conservatives like Ramey Johnson, Norma Anderson and Kiki Traylor

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they may also accuse Schaffer of roughing up Pete Coors in '04, and in so doing, costing the GOP the Senate seat

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He beat up Coors on gay marriage.
And while it wasn't quite Holtzman v. Beauprez, it was pretty bitter.  Schaffer has purportedly retaliated against Owens' people in numerous ways since then, although they're all smiles in public.

I think it's going to be a repeat of Both Ways versus Mini Marc.  At least I hope so.  I'll pop the popcorn.

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly

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I remember Pete Coors trying to finesse the gay marriage issue and his company's D.P. benefits policy ......
  As I recall, Coors supported the Musgrave-Allard federal marriage amendment but would not apologize for his company's policy of giving same sex employees domestic partnership benefits. 
  Am I to understand that Bob Schaffer opposed allowing private businesses to set their own employee benefit policies?  If so, that's truly extraordinary. 
  What do the economic conservatives say to such to that?
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Schaffer says lotsa crazy things.
He thinks anyone who's had an affair should be automatically removed from office.  He was venting about his enemy Bill Owens in particular, but still it's pretty stupid to put things like that on record.

(I would have linked to the quote, but the Northern Colorado Courier appears to have gone belly-up.)

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly

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How about "ick"?
What is it about you guys that causes the GOP to sell their souls?  I talked to a Democrat during the 2004 election and she LOVED Pete Coors and was supporting him BECAUSE of the way he treated his employees.  He had one of the most progressive benefit programs around and I doubt seriously if he is a homophobe, but in order to beat Schaffer in the primary....Hell, he didn't even compromise on his opposition to the death penalty, but gay marriage?  I don't get it. 
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you mean the first salvo hasn't been fired yet?
What's taking so long? 
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Now can we get a Big Line update?

Schaffer questions...
The HUGE questions for me.  Is Bob Schaffer still a devotee to term limits?  Will he sign a term limits pledge?  If not, why?  What changed?  Furthermore, will he renounce his "black helicopter" days?  Will Schaffer detail his time doing Norm Resnick's radio show?  Schaffer is so far from mainstream- he makes Santorum look like a centrist!  DO NOT BE FOOLED!  WE NEED A SENATOR, NOT ANOTHER MUSGRAVE-TYPE 4TH CD WACKO!!!
was Schaffer a black helicopter freak, too?
I did not know that.  Are you sure?  I thought that was Jim Roberts.
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Where are the facts?
This is a rumor. Please verify.
This is real
and will energize Colorado Republicans.  Well done, Bob,
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We needed this if it is true
GO BOB GO!  Colorado Republicans needed someone to step forward to energize the party!  I can't wait for the official announcement and an address so I can send a check.  I'm giving till it hurts this time, and not leaving anything to chance.  I hope the others will do the same.
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What is the source
of this?

I believe it to be true, as I have always thought he would run, I am just curious what source Pols is using for this statement.

Not so fast
According to Haley's Comment in Denver Post, Schaffer is still mulling, contrary to ColPols report:
http://blogs.denverp...
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you mean
like how Bob Beauprez launched his "Do you think I should run" campaign six months before actually annoucing? Or Holtzman filing his "exploratory" committee which, oh by the way, evolved very quickly to a full fledged campaign?  I know... how about Ritter doing his little "I'm in the race for now" crap early on?

No, that dog won't hunt.  Schaffer will run and run hard.

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Praise the Lord and hide the condoms......B.S. is off and running!

There is a God!
We worship an awesome God in the Blue States!
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"And yes we have some gay friends in the red states"
Nice quote
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Let's Be Clear
Bob Schaffer raised nearly a million dollars in the only five months of that US Senate campaign of '04 -- and that was while working against Benson, Owens, and the name ID of Pete Coors. 

Bob can raise the money. And he can do it while energizing the base while also articulating a fiscally conservative message.

Naysayers may very well be surprised how this all shakes out.

Donors Galore
He will attract a lot of donors from across the US that recognize that this Senate Seat has to be held by an R.
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The Conservative Side
PAC's and conservative agencies will raise major bucks for Bob. 
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Funding
The 2008 Senate race is projected to require $15 to $20 million.  Colorado Republicans have never raised that much money for a single race.  The biggest Senate races they've run have been in the range of $5 - $8 million.  (see OpenSecrets.org)

Raising $1 or $3 million or having $1.2 million in the bank is just a start.

Look at the record of recent campaign contributions to see who's giving what to whom (see FollowtheMoney.org)

Both Shaffer and McInnis (and Udall for that matter) face a big challenge in fund raising, and at the end of the day, the candidate who raises the most money will likely win.

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.  Thomas Jefferson


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The Dem wins in 2006 hurt Schaffer and McInnis
while big money has historically favored the GOP, now that power is held at the state level by Dems, which have repeated their 2004 coup of controlling the legislature, they can't afford to be too one sided as they would have in prior years.

This means less net money will flow to the GOP side, where it will be further diluted among primary contenders.

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hahahaha
oh yea? just like he did the last time he ran for senate? what did he get again? oh yea something like 30% of the vote.
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the Ramey Johnsons and the Kiki Traylors of the state GOP may not be all that enthusiastic about B.S.

Or any of the other moderate republicans in the state

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Schaffer in, McInnis Out?
It doesn't matter who decides to run on the Republican side. The candidate will be chosen by Bill Owens, Bruce Benson, Pete Coors and the Trailhead Co. Scooter and Billy aren't exactly bosom buddies.

Plus, McLobbyist is making a lot of McBucks representing oil and gas companies in Western Colorado. Money is why he left Congress and it'll be McMillions that will eventually persuade him to NOT run for US Senate, WestSloper predicts.

Why waste McInnis in a minority US Senate when his "$upporters" have much for him to do on a local level.

What about Armstrong
Bet he comes out strongly for Schaffer based upon Schaffer keeping his term limits pledge as Armstrong asked him to do.  Armstrong makes a big difference with the right wing which is a very very large percentage of Republican primary voters.
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Schaffer is Udall's best hope.
Schaffer is every bit as conservative as Allard with a bigger paper (and videotape and audiotape) trail of opening his big mouth and saying stupid shit.

Also, while I disagree with those who think that the primary process itself is bad for the winner in the general election, it does make it harder to accumulate cash for the general election run as potential supporters sit on the fence.

Udall can start raising money for the general election now, and will secure funds from all the usual suspects promptly.  Republicans will have to wait until the field thins out after the primary in 2008.

Shhhhhh....hear that giant sucking sound?
That is Colorado Republicans taking a deep breath. It's gonna be a wild ride!
"Conservative"
The old "Conservatism" of Ronald Reagan is Dead.  It is now as deadly for a candidate to use that term as "Liberal" used to be.  If I were a Republican, I would walk, nay RUN, away from "Conservative."  That term no longer means keeping government out of our lives, smaller government, and balanced budgets.  Now it is synonymous with bloated government interested in overseas empires and invading your bedroom, no investment in infrastructure, emphasis on gay marriage and abortion, and total disinterest in the real challenges Americans face.  Go ahead Bob Schaffer and paint yourself as a "Conservative"--you'll lose big time.
We could argue about the Reagan conservatism being dead.
For sure the Goldwater conservatism is dead.  But, during Reagan's time the Moral Majority was formed; we first heard of Jerry Falwell; Lee Atwater was teaching a different campaign style--wedge issues and personal attack; borrow and spend became the common operation as debt soared; and, government grew.  But that is all for argument sake.  Your point about conservatism becoming a bad "brand" is the important point.

If Schaffer changes stripes he can use that as an advantage.  He stays quiet about his true self, a social conservative, and portrays himself as the person to lead fiscal conservatives back to small government and balanced budgets. 

He will have to hide how much of a social control player he really is but he should be able to raise all the money he needs.  Republicans first goal will be to defend the seats they have already.

He also is a win at any cost, i.e. Ramey Johnson, kind of guy  so you can expect 527's will spend more on his behalf than Schaffer will spend on his campaign. 

This will be the nastiest campaign in Colorado to date.

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Good points, puddin-tame ask me again I'll tell ya the same....
I guarantee Schaffer will accenuate his folksy image by focusing in on kitchen table issues.  The social issues will not be as big a deal in Colorado as they were in 2006--mainly because Colorado spoke quite clearly, then.  But it'll be about the war and small government Schaffer will slaughter Macchiato Mark on those issues.
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If You think
That Schaffer is going to be able to run away from his right wing social agenda which is every bit as hard line as Marilyn Musgrave, you've got another thing coming.  He's on tape and now there is you tube and a bunch of other ways to get it out.  If you think the progressive interest groups are going to let him get away with it, you're sadly mistaken.  And, the progressive groups are really getting good at focus group politics and pulling off the RINO's with these issues.  It's the very basis of their success in Colorado.  Udall will have plenty of $$$ to do it.  The Repubs only hope is to nominate McInnis which the right wing won't do.
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He doesn't need to run away from anything.
Being a social conservative is not a liability in Colorado.  Neither is being a fiscal consevative.  We have elected lots of social and fiscal conservatives like Owens and Allard.  But being a social liberal IS a liability.  That's just what Udall is.

I'm well aware that Team Starmark will try to exploit those issues--but it may end up hurting Macchiato Man in the end.  Schaffe needs to campaign on fiscal responsibility, environmental conservation, and the war.  If he does that he wins.  Same goes for McInnis if he gets the nod. 

But McInnis has a record, too, and it may cost him votes from social conservatives handing the election to a guy too far left from the mainstream Colorado electorate.

[ Parent ]
...s/t to think about...
...the dems won in large part due to the repubs not fulfilling their conservative fiscal roots.  Voters may be inclined to give the dems more time to prove they are or are not the big spenders of yore.  That'll take many years to really determine that.  At the national level, Nanc is keeping a tight leash on the dems to help coalesce the party for '08.  It'll be interesting to see if the dems can do the same here in Co.?

"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." Gen. Chesty Puller
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Nope.
Just look at what has been wrought on the good people of Colorado already: union sell-out, funding of Planned Parenthood, appointing fellow Denver liberals to gubernatorial cabinet, and on and on it goes--and will go.

And how exactly have the national Dems been restrained?  Did you watch Jim Webb's rebuttal?  That party has gone Vietnam circa 2007 and I can't believe that will play well in the electorate.  Two years is a long, long time and the way it looks now the Dems will have dug themselves a hole.  Their saving grace?  The cut and run Republicans are diggin their own. 

That all shouldn't affect what happens here in Colorado, though.  If Schaffer can establish himself as an "outsider" conservative true to Reagan's legacy he'll win.  He'll win by 10 points.  But we'll just have to see how the primary--if there is one--goes and how Schaffer campaigns against Macchiato Mark.

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Mnt. corridor no longer Repub hotbed
Udall gets significant support from the Mnt. corridor as well, not just Boulder County.  Politics are changing on the West Slope, and the GOP-oilie orgy, B.O.'s failed water grab, and the on-going infighting between the Shari Bjorklund's and George Orbanek wings of the Grand Old Parody, will result in more votes here going to the Dem. as well.  Scooter McMenance might pull in more W.S. votes than Bob "Ask Bob" Scheister, but the Mnt. Corridor (Eagle, Garfield, Summit) counties are up for grabs, and increasing numbers of folks on the W.S. are none-to-pleased w/ W. and his rubber-stamp boys, and B.O. and his polical machinations. 

I also think WestSloper is on to something, that McLobbyist loves his money and helping the foreign-owned and out-of-state oilies come and drill the crap out of Colorado, Roan Plateau, roadless forests, screw the public and surface owners, there's cash to be made! 

McWeinie gave up a safe seat to a now-ensconced Dem.  The Colorado GOP is in such disarray.  I cannot WAIT for the primary.  I still hope Loony-Tunes Tancredo throws his tiny hat into the ring!

I'm sorry.
Can you repeat that?

In plain English, please.

[ Parent ]
Thank You
I was really really starting to get worried.  Now, not only do I have a reason to keep working for republicans, I can also have something to look forward to in the next election.  I can't wait to see Bob on the rubber chicken circuit.  And hear that Patrick Davis speech again.  Aint life grand. 
Patrick Davis?
Don't you mean Patrick Henry? The "Give me liberty or give me death" speech?

In any case I saw him perform that at a bbq or some such event. It was really good.

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Yes
"Give me liberty or give me death" speech. That's the one.  Patrick Henry.  Thank you. 
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\/\/00t!
Excellent.  That means we can get someone who actually *cares* about schools on the state Board of Education to replace Bob.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
Does he have to quit?
Does Bob Schaffer have to quit his position on the State board?  I didn't think he had to, but I could be wrong.
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You're Assuming
That he wins. He doesn't have to resign to run for office.
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Crud...
You're right, and since he'd lose badly to Udall, the only way we'd get him to resign is out of a sense of honor to doing his best at his job.

Isn't he also an RNC delegate?  That's a lot of hats.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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THANK YOU BABY JESUS!
And with THAT Colorado stays red.

Schaffer is not Beauprez.  He is a much more talented politician and he can learn from Beauprez's statewide mistakes.  Udall--because he's a Boulder liberal with a voting record--can not go Ritter and hide his ideas.  He'll have to come right out and justify his voting record which will not jive with many Coloradans.

The red state revolution lives!!

To stay red,
wouldn't we have to first "be" red?

The best statistic for Colorado Republicans is that you have 50% of our U.S. Senators right now.  And that won't last.

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly

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No reductio ad absurdum for TheCouch!
You're right, Oscar--to stay red we would first have to BE red.  Good thing we are, in fact, a red state.  The red/blue dichotomy is measured by how a state votes in the prsidential election.  Iowa, hence, is a red state though, like Colorado, it is led by Democrats.  Same with Arkansas and Oklahoma.  Connecticut is the opposite--blue state run by Republicans.

So, if you simply take a look-see at the 2004 electoral map you'll see that Colorado was painted red as it voted for the Republican candidate for president.

What's more, I associate "red" with conservative.  Colorado is not red.  I admit it.  It's pink.  It leans right. 

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Doc...
You forget that Colorado now has a Dem Gov, State House, State Senate, and a majority of Dem U.S. House Reps.  I would say that based on the recent elections - it is a tough argument to make that we are a red state - I know you will keep trying though...
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Although I admire your optimism Doc
CrazyOkie is right.  Reality suggests that Colorado is blue.  Voter registration makes little difference when the Dems continue to clean up.  The pendulum will swing back someday, but swings usually take a while.
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Fine. Fine.
This is just Smurfville USA. 

Come on Lauren!  This reminds me of the mid-90s right before Owens won his race in '98.  Clinton had just won in 1992--the first Dem to win Colorado since LBJ.  Romer was smokin' the state GOP.  But Colorado passed controversial Amend. 2 in 1992 and lots of Republicans started moving in droves to Colorado.  Now, it's kind of an economic lull.  Democrats are doing quite well.  But we just saved marriage and there's a lot of hope that the economy will again start humming. 

Red/blue/who?  I hate that damn red/blue map.  It's stupid.  Though Colorado is a red state because we voted GOP in 2004 I'll accept that this is now a Dem-led state.  But so what?  That sure as hell doesn't mean we've moved left--anymore than it did when in '92 we voted against gay rights and for Clinton in the same year.  Colorado's people haven't changed--the GOP has.  And that's why we're losing--not because Coloradans have eaten too much granola.

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If 2008 goes our way I'll buy you a Snapple
but I'm not feeling it right now. McInnis and Schaffer will play the "who can be the rightest of the rights" for the primary, scaring off moderate R and independent voters, while Udall, helped by the frothing media, will be painted as the Uber Moderate Statesman. 

And for the record, we didn't "save marriage".  It was never in peril.  If a hetero marriage became shaky with the thought of gay marriage, it was going the way of the other 51% of marriages that end in divorce anyway. Colorado, and most of the rest of the country, is simply not ready for gay marriage yet. Just ask Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barrack Obama.


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Lauren, we have ideas on our side.
When we are able to articulate with intelligence, humanity, and humor our core ideas--what it means to be a conservative--we win.  The problem is that there are so few politicians--Republican or Democrat--who can effectively do that.  I truly believe Bob Schaffer is that man.  You're right that the primary is a potential pratfall for either McInnis or Schaffer.  But it doesn't have to be.

I'm an eternal optimist.  I believe the best ideas, best values, and more gratifying, humanizing values win out.  I'm not worried about losing in the end.  But I recognize the dearth of ideas coming from our team on the war, on spending, on family issues--it runs the gamut--but I see guys like Mitt Romney and Bob Schaffer and it gives me a quiet, solid confidence.  In 2006 I knew we were so screwed.  I worked, donated, and said nothing.  But I knew something was wrong.  It's early, but we've got men of big ideas and proven results running and that makes me quite confident and I've got a Snapple on the way.

[ Parent ]
Well, I know where to find you
pouring over all those books.  If you see an aging movie star coming at you with a Snapple, you'll know why.
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For the record, Brittany and K-Fed announced they were separating several hours before the polls closed last Nov. 7th and Amendment 43 was declared to have passed....
If only they had the stamina to hang in there for a few more hours, another fine hetero marriage could and would have been saved!  Oh, the humanity.............
[ Parent ]
Oh, the humanity.............
LOL, what could have been!
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McLobbyist will fade
McInnis/McLobbyist/McMillionaire/McLawyer is the personification of the exact kind of republican we voted out in '06: big government, big spending, special interest, lawyer protecting, earmark loving corruption.  We all know it.  The power brokers are figuring it out, too.  Schaffer just saved this state.
saving marriage
'we saved marriage' ha ha ha ha ha ha
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