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June 10, 2013 08:01 AM UTC

Meanwhile, Down In Pueblo...

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  • by: Colorado Pols

MONDAY UPDATE: As the Colorado Springs Gazette's Megan Schrader reports, organizers of the recall election against Sen. Angela Giron will turn in roughly 13,500 signatures today–a much smaller margin than in Sen. John Morse's race, and less likely to survive validity checks by the Secretary of State's office.

To put the ouster attempt on the ballot 11,500 of those signatures must be valid, which is 25 percent of the number of votes cast in the 2010 election that put Giron in office.

As we've written before, the general rule of thumb for collecting signatures — whether it is for a recall or a ballot measure — is to make sure to turn in about double the amount required. Because many signatures will be invalidated for a variety of reasons (wrong address, signer wasn't a registered voter, etc.), it is always advisable to make sure you have a sufficient cushion to withstand those problems. It's not impossible that the Giron recall could make the ballot with just 2,000 additional signatures than required, but it's statistically unlikely.
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As the Pueblo Chieftain's Peter Roper reports:

Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler warned local Republicans in March that it would be a "brutal" process to recall state Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, and that recall elections are far more complicated than they appear.

Brutal or not, Giron's critics in the gun-rights community have pressed ahead with their petition drive and predict they will turn in more than the necessary 11,200 voter signatures to Gessler's office on Monday to force that special election later this summer.

Over the last few weeks, we've heard about a renewed push by gun-rights supports to obtain enough signatures to force a recall of Sen. Angela Giron of Pueblo. When the recall petition campaign against Sen. Evie Hudak of Arvada folded, volunteers in that effort indicated they were headed to Pueblo to assist gathering signatures against Giron. It must be noted that, as of this writing, we have no information indicating that a paid petition effort is underway as was the case in Sen. John Morse's recall drive–and directly resulted in that campaign's delivery of over 16,000 signatures, which should be enough to survive validity checking by the Secretary of State.

Sources on the ground in Pueblo tell us that a combination of intra-Democratic infighting–locals can better speak to the nature of this but it appears to fully predate this year's legislative session–and a coordinated effort from local businesses, combined with the volunteer assist from failed recalls elsewhere, has given the petition campaign against Giron a chance of success. What we've heard is that this campaign will not turn in double the signature requirement like the campaign against Morse did, having only announced reaching bare sufficiency a week or so ago. The less pad they turn in, the greater the chance the petitions will not survive validity checks.

The key thing to understand about this is that local political dynamics, having little to do with the debate over gun safety, are at least partly responsible for the signature campaign against Sen. Giron having legs relative to other recall efforts that died on the vine without lavish funding. We expect that, should the petitions be ruled sufficient to proceed to an actual recall election in Senate District 3 this fall, everyone will be getting a crash course in frequently Byzantine Pueblo local politics. And we can tell you that some Democrats in Pueblo, who may have placed personal ambition and petty squabbles ahead of what's good for their party (they most certainly know who they are), might come to dearly regret the can of worms they've helped open down there.

Petitions are due tomorrow–stay tuned.

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16 thoughts on “Meanwhile, Down In Pueblo…”

  2. MIght as well get the ball rolling.

    Pueblo:  peb-low  

    A city and county in southern Colorado at the confluence of the Arkansas River and Fountain Creek.  "Major" flood 1921  – destroyed the downtown.  Steel mill has been the source of jobs and civic pride, and numerous labor issues.  though nowhere near the size or significanr of what it once was.

    Voter registration is about evenly spllt R/D/U.

     

     

  3. Come on ColPols. How about some juicy details or are we all going to have to look stuff up ourselves? Input on what sounds like great popcorn munching material from Pueblo pollsters would be greatly appreciated.

    1. In the interests of unity, I'm not going to name names, but I can confirm that certain parties in Pueblo were actively working against Senator Giron long before the gun issues arose. I was hearing rumblings as early as January, just before the legislative session. That fellow so-called "progressives" are now attempting to leverage the gun violence prevention debate over unrelated disputes is simply shameful. I encourage all parties to put those differences aside and work in the interests of the VAST MAJORITY of Pueblanos who support common sense jobs  initiatives forwarded by Senator Giron like the reopening of Ft. Lyon.

      1. Without naming names could you fill us in a little on the nature of the tensions, the policies her intra-party opponents don't support that she does and/or visa versa?

        1. It really boils down to personalities, but the particular dispute that seems to have caused these tensions arose around same-sex benefits for Pueblo. I believe that all parties supported same-sex benefits, but a misunderstanding over some procedural maneuvering led to a feud.

            1. Giron did not vote against her district. 83% of voters in CD 3 support background checks on gun sales. What percentage do you think it is in Pueblo?

                1. According to UnskewedPolls4idiots.com 110% of voters in Pueblo support unfettered access for anyone everywhere at anytime to all manner of weaponry. 

                  1. Very interesting that 100% of those polled in El Paso, Larimer, Pueblo and  Weld agreed that when a judge imposes a restraining  order or a person is convicted of domestic violence they should have to turn over their guns. That one polled pretty high,  71% for all of rural Colorado, too.

                    Too bad so many in these counties agree with gun control legislation without knowing they agree and just believe twerps like ArapGoof who keep parroting "They're taking away your guns and leaving you defenseless".

                    And just a friendly suggestion; whenever a specific poll is cited people really appreciate a link. It's very good for credibility. Not that anything makes a dent in ArapGoof's program.

            2. Giron won in 2010 with 24,827 votes. Her Republican opponent recieved 20,313 votes. Your front group only collected 13,500 signatures, a paultry 2000 more than required (to be safe, you need to collect one and half-to-twice as many needed signatures), and 6813 less than even voted against her in the last election.

              Looks to me she only voted against some in her district, with that some being people who didn't vote for her to begin with. My guess is even if you get enough valid signatures, it's only going to be by a hair, making your "voted against her district" messaging even that much more incorrect.

               

  4. I love that Colorado Pols is making excuses. Yes…DEMOCRATS oppose gun grabs too! It's not infighting, she went against her district. Plain and simple. And now she faces a recall with no "paid mercenaries" involved! With thousands of fellow Democrats signing on!

    Denial: it's more than a river in Egypt.

    1. If it was a "gun grab" then you might be right. Nothing Senator Giron voted for denies people their 2nd Amendment right. I could get 100,000 signatures to recall Lamborn BY MYSELF WITH NO FUNDING if I was willing to lie and say that he used to perform back alley abortions.

      Lies do not a grass roots movement make. It just means you were able to find 13,500 idiots (plenty of those registered as Republicans–even in Pueblo).

    2. What gun grab? There is no gun grab to oppose. There is no gun grabbing legislation to oppose. The number of laws passed by the Democratic controlled Colorado state legislature this past term that takes away people's guns is still zero. What kind of program can turn that into a gun grab? What kind of human brain can turn that into a gun grab.  ArapGoof…. what in the name of God are you?

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