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July 24, 2013 02:20 PM UTC
32 Comments
So let me get this straight — Gessler has been yelling "voter fraud" for 3 years, but has yet to have a single case prosecuted, and Morse's supporters found at least 5 sets of petitions with actual documented evidence of fraud in just a few weeks of looking?
Another case of Republicans projecting their own behaviors on their opponents.
Yes indeedy!
We need to get the Colorado Ethics Commission moving more heat against Gessler to quit. This is a new scandal for him because he failed to do due dilgence. I bet he didn't even bother to read the recall petition making sure it followed Colorado Constitution (which it does not).
The fact that someone has to do Gessler's job needs to show that Gessler is a moron that cannot be trusted to faithfully execute his job, and should be billed for time wasted on this effort, including court costs and fees for doing his job, which could run into the thousands of wasted taxpayers dollars.
People who continue to buy Republican lies should be ashamed right now.
The problem with this is that they would have a case to make if these signatures were fraudlently included, but deemed valid.
You're going to get this type of thing with any petition, and if they're point to invalid signatures that were also deemed invalid, then they're just grasping at straws now.
Morse needs to stop looking like the guy who yells at the ump because he doesn't like how he's calling balls and strikes. If this recall is all a sham (and it is), it's time to start hitting the streets, because that's where this will be won or lost now.
That's a good question. I'm going to email the campaign about it.
You're granting a benefit of the doubt that Republicans would never afford our side. Just saying…
True. But this is the hand we've been dealt. Look at it this way, nothing will be sweeter than winning on election night if this is done right. The national coverage it will garner will only place the big ol' bludgeon of vindication on the GOP's chances at anything next year.
The campaigns has plenty of fodder as to why they should NOT be recalled, and fraud is certainly in the middle of it.
The Pols updated! Twila Peach was NOT repeat NOT caught by the Secretary of State. They must have more juice than me at the campaign, I haven't got an answer yet.
But that should answer your question – and raise a lot more questions…
Well alrighty then.
So we have fraud at the petition level, and malicious/partisan and/or incompotence at the SoS level.
Time to fire up the petitions for the recall of Gessler.
And that should be malicious/partisan intent
My kindgom for an edit button.
One can only imagine how hysterical Gessler will become over this. Two obviously fruadulent signatures on a recall petition in one small state seat district, more than the grand total of fruadulent votes he could prove were cast and counted in the entire state and those alleged fraudulent votes have him doggedly pursuing an urgent, hair on fire fix to protect our elections. Am holding my breath waiting for Gessler to issue an even more impassioned alarm concerning this recall petition. It can't be long now. Starting to black out….
This kind of stuff does happen in petition campaigns. It's just that it's totally illegal. I worked against a petition campaign years ago in Lakewood where the neighboring business owner hired people to circulate petitions to deny a rezoning. We represented a big company with deep pockets. We started calling people and asking them about what happened when they signed the petition. One person described the woman who had asked her to sign. When I looked at the circulator's signature, it was a man. I started calling other folks on that petition, all had been approached by a woman, clearly not the man who signed the petition as circulator. I started calling other petition signatories and asking about their circulator and found many this way and vice versa. I pointed all this out to the Lakewood City Clerk in a hearing and then got the petition circulator on the stand. And being young and stupid, I brought this all to his attention and then asked, so what did you do, just throw them all in a stack and then sign at the end. Stupid question, because of course I didn't know the answer. But I'll be damned if he didn't admit that this was exactly what had happened. The City Clerk through out all the petitions due to pervasive fraud. It's amazing what folks will do to subvert the petition process. From my point of view, the only way to stop this is for Coloradoans to take matters into their own hands and defeat every damn referendum that has paid circulators until people who want to do this stuff just stop doing it. I'm wondering if the Morse people did this kind of thorough review of signatures? If not, they probably missed an opportunity.
+1. Great comment.
Hey , ya'll…whats up with Davie? Has he lost his mind?
Rats…now it looks like I have…..
Now we got the Guvs chasing their tails!
Unlike the old system where deleting the top comment took out all the ones below, WordPress allows a finer degree of granularity.
We could start a whole new thread of context-free comments 🙂
What the heck did I miss?
Um…You wanna 'splain, Alva ?
Hey both way Pols, make up your mind….
Like Secretary of State Scott Gessler says, one case of fraud can ruin everything… –
Let me help, a fake signature does not equal a vote. The vote is much more powerful, a petition simply gives voters more options…
So it's okay to fake a petition signature (if you're a Republican), but not a vote (if you're a Democrat).
Let me help you out, Nocklehead, being a Republican doesn't cover all sins.
Actually, that's not true anymore. The initiative process has been completely taken over by special interests, who have found that they can circumvent the legislature and get terrible bills passed directly by the people. All they have to do is get paid signature gatherers, who are under zero obligation to represent their petitions honestly, and then run a well funded campaign. Recalls are just the next way they intend to get their way.
So how does a signature equal a vote? Since the hard part is getting the ballot or recall petition on the ballot, the signature is now more important than the vote. So you are technically correct, but as usual you are wrong about the nature of that inequality.
The important thing here is that the recall is apparently so unpopular that the gatherers have resorted to outright fraud, and Scott Gessler, as a key member of the Coup de GOP here in Colorado, is exposing the truth of his partisanship and incompetence to the world. The question now is, can anything be done about that?
And your pal Gessler failed to do his due dilgence, and he failed to do his job.
That very fact alone should force Gessler's resignation. And the rest of his cronies.
I would also check to see if Nathan Sproul's dirty hand was in it. It probably was.
Really, that's just inane, even for you. You know what I tell my brothers when they say stuff like that? Is that the type of logic you want to teach your children? Shuts them up every time. Especially when I say it to their kids.
Let's compare, second degree murder does not equal first degree murder. There, I think I've got the hand of it. I guess I learned something all those years I wasted being a Republican.
Nice.
Not sure Nockster was worth the effort, but nice.
As a fellow, ex-Republican, well said.
I'm assuming Gessler did not personally check the signatures but instead it was non-political employees in the SOS office. So what's going on there? Have they become political? Or are they just incompetent?
if Gessler has made them political, go after him hard for that. If they're incompetent, you can call out Gessler for being a lousy manager, but that's not as big a deal politically.
How are dead people removed from the voting rolls? Is it poossible that Ms. Peach is still on the voting rolls? There was clearly fraud, and the SOS office dropped the ball, but where is the weak link?
Early,
As someone who has registered many voters, and worked on several campaigns, I know that there are several feedback loops to remove a deceased voter from the rolls.
When next of kin files a death certificate, it goes to the DMV and IRS, social security, medicare,any other agency which needs to know. Election county clerks have access to all of these databases, but may or may not run checks to remove people. Human beings + computers = potential for stuff gets lost or missed.
Another feedback loop, probably more reliable, is through the campaigns which make direct voter contact. When a campaign worker contacts a voter, who says, "My spouse has died, stop ****ing calling asking for him/her," the campaign checks a "deceased' box in the voter profile.
County Clerks get this feedback, as well, and have programs which will check this information against their other databases.
So it's not too surprising to me that Twila Sue's passing went unremarked by the Secretary of State voter database on the initial check of signatures. But on the review, they should have checked more thoroughly and found it.
And, whomever signed her name onto the recall petition surely knew what they were doing.
that signature is kind of shakey. Maybe the gatherer held her cold, dead hand
I believe the SOS doesn't check all signatures, just a sample, and then applies that rate of invalid signatures to the petition as a whole.
There's nothing here to suggest that this signature was verified, or even examined during that process.
Fraud by the petitioners, yes. Incompetence by the SOS' office, no.
The real political story here is that the time window for challenging signatures is woefully small, and the logistical requirements (copying, etc.) are too onerous for a succesful challenge. Absent these challenges, Personhood 2 likely wouldn't have made the ballot.
The laws should be changed. Lois Court would be the kind of good government civics egghead (and I mean that in the nice way) to run a bill on this topic.
With the time requirements for voting and absentee ballots, it's just nearly impossible to give any time any more. The commenter is correct that they check only a sample of signatures, so it is quite possible that this one was never checked. Frankly, it's not something that candidates or opposition committees do very well. I don't think it's because of the time factor, I think it's that they just don't know what do to and how devious and illegal petition passers can be. (See my comments above.) In the one I challenged (which was before computer databases), it was me and a paralegal and about 5,000 signatures and 15 days. It's just not that hard.
The problem is that it takes a combination of the old and new techniques. It takes money and computer stuff, but it also takes phone banks and walking door to door and asking silly questions and knowing that the other side will stoop to anything to get done what they want because, the ends always justify any means.
Sorry to be such an old coot, but that's the truth of it.