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August 19, 2013 06:27 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Every complaint already contains revenge."

–Friedrich Nietzsche 

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  1. If Weld/NoCO becomes #51, then what?

    Then what is my concern.  I know several of the Weld Republican political insiders, district captains, etc. They are freaking schizophrenic nut-bags.  Flakes that lack personal responsibility. They carry guns around just hoping somebody will stand up to their aggressive, non-sense behavior.

    These born losers who would not know what to do with a 51st state if God wrote it on a tablet.

    Saddest part is, most politically active Weld Republicans if given the chance, will give the people LESS freedom than Colorado currently allows.

    953,565,000, this is the number of States America needs…

    1. I wouldn't lose much sleep over this actually happening, Nock. They have all failed 'arthimetic'.  The leaders of this movement seem to be suffering from arrested development.  What a complete waste of time and energy. Ditto for the lawsuit by the Sheriff's. It will all make for a lot of useless drama in the next legislative session, some great footage for various 2014 campaigns and a few cameo appearances on Faux News.  And the leaders will keep pretending as though are actually….leading.  It's so damn sad.

      But I repeat myself. 

  2. Speaking of revenge, let me start by saying I'm clearly a card carrying liberal. That said, how is Greenwald's threat to publish UK secrets in retaliation for their detention of his partner not simply revenge? Apparently these are secrets he has chosen not to publish up to now for any altruistic reasons but will now do so to avenge his partner.

    The behavior of Greenwald, and Snowden as well, having sought refuge with countries that clearly have no use for the human and civil rights he claims to champion instead of standing his ground here and facing the consequences in order to bring more light to his allegations.

     It's not that I doubt the allegations but Snowden does appear to have taken the deal Russia offered, demanding that he shut up about it in exchange for asylum.  All this is making it very hard, even for many liberals like me, to view  these two as heroes on white horses. It kind of smells. In Greenwald's case, like Eau de Revenge.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/glenn-greenwald-uk-secrets-britain-detains-partner_n_3779667.html

    1. Remember the old adage: don't get in to a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Greenwald has it easy compared to most journalists – he's been handed a huge bucket of top secret data that he can use or withhold as he will. Most journalists would have to go on a quest to ruin someone who pissed them off.

      No one will accuse Greenwald (or Snowden) of being pure as the driven snow, and given what they hold in their hands it's got to be easy for them to stray from the narrow path. But overall I'm glad we have the constant stream of revelations – things won't change on their own; the intelligence community isn't going to give up their "accidental" tens of thousands of incidents per year of spying on US citizens just as local police departments and the FBI won't give up on their infiltration of peaceful protest groups…

      1. True enough. But Snowden is no hero. Of course most of us aren't but most of us aren't being held up as such. Snowden is a naive young man who clearly bit off more than he can chew, is scared enough to take the deal the Russian's, not exactly champions of civil liberties, offered and his highest profile supporters are pretty cynical exploiters.  

        The real heroes stayed put, would not agree to shut up and were willing to go to jail if they had to. And forgive me for finding China an odd first choice on Snowden's part for asylum. Nobody, not Greenwald, not Snowden and certainly not our own government or Russia's, is exactly covered in glory here. But, then I'm pretty cynical myself.

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