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September 12, 2013 06:37 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Let not thy will roar, when thy power can but whisper."

–Dr. Thomas Fuller

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  1. News on floods  gets worse every update. Hope there will be no more fatalities. While looking at local TV channels for weather updates came across this interesting item on the recall on the channel 9 site:

    Myth #2: No one saw this coming.

    Liberal polling company Public Policy Poling did, it just chose not to release its poll showing Senator Giron losing by double digits.

    Public Policy Poling got skewered Wednesday by famed polling guru Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight who tweeted: "VERY bad and unscientific practice for PPP to suppress a polling result they didn't believe/didn't like."

    Poling? Twice? It may be misspelled but apparently gist of it is accurate. And disturbing. 

    1. Frankly I don't agree with Nate on this.

      PPP prides itself on its accuracy; they have been one of the most accurate polling outfits through the past few elections. It's interesting that they even bothered polling this special election – no other outfit was willing to touch it (or admit to it) because special elections especially at the state legislative level are almost impossible to poll accurately. So when they saw a result so horribly skewed from the voting populace, they thought the poll was a dud and canned it.

      As it turns out, they really are good at polling. Even for this special election.

      It sounds like PPP did this poll on their own dime, possibly even as a test of how things would poll in such an unusual situation. I can't fault them for holding the poll because they thought it was flawed.

      1. Did they think it flawed just because it didn't "feel"  or because of specific concerns with the process? If the former they didn't do anybody any favors any more than the right leaning pollsters did in the 2012 presidential campaign with their insistence that the general and left leaning polls couldn't be right , then coming up with new ways to weight things supposedly for accuracy but resulting in telling themselves what they wanted to hear. 

         Since it turns out the results PPP supposedly considered too flawed to release we're really quite accurate and just too upsetting to release,  the same unhelpful dynamic seems to be the case in their flawed decision to  suppress.

        Also while PPP is respectable, it is definitely regarded as a left leaning poll, always well within the neighborhood of accuracy but sometimes a couple of points too generous to the left as other respectable but right leaning polls are generally a couple of points generous to the right.  But the Giron spread was huge, not just a couple of points, and they had it right. So we can all drop any conspiracy theories we may have been entertaining about an electronically altered vote.

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