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September 23, 2013 06:21 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • 65 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

–Albert Einstein

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65 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Why I (and the vast majority of people in the US) detest liberals. Not democrats – liberals. I say the vast majority of people detest liberals because liberals cannot even stand themselves. Of course they practice denial of all stripes, especially denial of anything perceived negative in themselves. No doubt that is why liberals suffer mental health problems and enlist therapists at a much higher degree than conservatives. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2011/11/conservatives-are-mentally-healthier.html

     

    Liberalism is made up of a fairly large spectrum of different emotions. They nearly all have one thing in common – parochialism. For the purpose of this writing, we can define parochial as egocentric, narrow-minded and a devotion to one's self.

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” Ben Franklin 

     

    I fear for my country. The liberals are winning. Why? Because they have banded together to defeat democracy and capitalism. Many of them don't even know it; many more don't care. They are so caught up in the “what's in it for me” mentality, they ignore the health of our country.

     

    Conservatives are made up of generally two groups – the religious conservative and the fiscal conservative. Both of which have been branded “evil” by liberals. Liberals are made up of a wide spectrum of selfish positions. They will vote for their own personal enrichment. They care not at all how they are damaging the country.

     

    Liberal politicians care only about increasing their numbers and thus perpetuating liberalism.

    Those “on the dole” care only about staying dependent and increasing their dependency.

    Liberal women care only about abortion issues.

    Liberal minorities care only about their specific minority.

    Liberal gays care only about gay issues.

    Liberal poor care only about class envy and taking from the “rich” (anyone that has more than them).

    Socialists care only about defeating capitalism.

     

    When I state “care only about …”, I mean this is their one overriding issue. They will not begin to consider other issues until this issue is satisfied.

     

  2. Good Monday morning, friends!!

    Just remembering something a wise old fish once said to me — “I knew better than to take that fly (bait) … but I wasn’t strong enough to resist, I guess…”

    Good advice, that first part — Leave them flies alone — even those ridiculously buzzing ones!

    Start your week off well!

      1. You know, Duke, that's something about the infinite (. . . or, is it stupidity?) — the profound need it apparently has to constantly prove it's existence???

        1. People start out the open line by posting poorly thought out sweeping generalizations where opinion is treated as fact, but the beauty in it all is that we don't have to read them.  Life is too short for that.

  3. From multiple sources recently, I have heard the claim that "democrats/liberals want everyting to be free."

     

    I know a lot of Democrats, and many people that consider themselves liberal.  None of them think everything should be free.  Many of them do share a belief that some things are better funded with public funding.

    Roads and bridges – and transportation infrastructure in general.

    Education.

    Security – police and other first responders, the military and other law enforcment agencies.

    A social safety net.

    And filling the gap left by the market when necessary.   Medicare exists at all because "the market" solution was to not insure older and disabled Americans. Likewise the "old age and survivors trust fund" (better known as Social Security). 

    In addition, D"s, liberals and progressive and others also realize that government intervention to ensure – or even attempt to ensure – a level playing field, aka a fair opportunity for all Americans is money well spent. Justice matters.

    And a large majority of American voters agree. Very, very few would actually reduce public sector funding to massively shrink the function of gov't.  Aside from the never ending struggle to define the preferred level of governement to take on various responsiblities (federal, regional, local, etc.) that leaves the question of how to fund the governement functions.

    A progressive income tax has the greatest potential for fairness and efficiency. The mathematical analysis of Corrado Gini and others using centuries of available data, demonstrates that economies grow best when the income disparity across the economy is less extreme.  Those that benefit most from the transportation infrattructure should pay more for it. Likewise other publicly funded investments in national defense and security, the social safety net and education . (You think education is expensive – try ignorance.

    No serious American believes anything the government does is or should be free. And no serious discussion of government should be allowed to imply otherwise, let alone state it explicily.

     

      1. Puerto Rico is not the 51st state.

        Trist screwed up the negotiation – disobeying a direct order lawfully given.  To the detriment of the USA for 161 years and counting.

        It turns out, "Absolute zero" isn't,

        If someone would eat a cow, or a bison, it seems like they should be willing to eat a horse.

        "White people are superior to people of other races and therefore whites should politically dominate non-whites." ~  Woodrow Wilson, 1912

         

         

    1. Interesting, MADCO. I hadn't heard of Corrado Gini before. Links?

      No American thinks anything should be free, except speech, assembly, and the press. Current financiers (not all of them Republicans) seem to believe that the "free market" means, "free to pursue endless profit, screw up the market, fleece consumers, and walk away without consequences."

      1. Freud was more into upper middle class neuroses, particularly that of bored affluent women, than insanity. More profitable. He was quite a piece of work himself. I'd say the one thing he had right was projection. Mainly his own.

      1. If it doesn't matter then why did you feel it necessary to attribute the quote to Ben Franklin?

        You posted quite a thesis, at 7:43am. Do you have a job or is your job trolling and throwing out insults?

        1. ed:  I was simply passing on what many people believe.  Once again, the quote illuminates an axiomatic principle. Who cares who said it.  It may very wll have been Franklin.  I wan't there, were you?

          As to a job, thanks for asking.  I'm been retired for many years.  No I am not on  SS or medicare.  Way too young and don't need it.  (In anticipation of your next quesstion, I was born and raised poor.  Nothing was ever given to me and I have taken nothing directly from the government.)   

          I just love how emotional liberals consider any difference of opinion "insult".  

          As to your second post, I find the GOP only slightly less repugnant than Dems.  My point was about liberals; not dems vs republicans.  

          1. Thats a pretty novel concept in terms of looking at quotations and history in general.  I don't really have to get it right, because I wasn't there ! 

                  1. BC, I get your point. But I don't take his challenges seriously. He is a troll after all. And now that he has had his wrist slapped here, I think it's funny to poke him.

                1. It's one thing to argue points in an effort to counter the influence of lies or to show that you won't be intimidated.  But this troll has no points.There is nothing ever said by this troll that should require anyone to respond for purposes of "validation".

                  I know I can't make anybody do anything but the only possible reason to respond to this troll's inanities is a desire for more of them. Period.

                  Empowerment? Validation?  The only one responding empowers and validates is this troll. I mean, just what points are we supposed to be bravely countering? Accusations of fatness?  

                  1. With all due respect, BC–and I love your posts and contribution–its a blog and the conversation here is often not too lofty.  Myself I don't respond well to people telling me who I can (or should) respond to or not….

                    1. It's just a very heart felt suggestion based not on the lack of loftiness but on the complete pointlessness of the troll's "challenges" which are nothing but a fact free stream of insults so juvenile and silly there isn't the slightest chance of anyone not already on board the wacko train being influenced by them and therefore no need or point to refuting them. It's not as if these are comments with anything approaching thought provoking content couched in salty language, language to which I have no objection. That's all I'm sayin'. 

                      Me, I'm done even reading them or the responses to them, much less responding myself. But I promise to stop urging everyone to cut off the trolls food supply which just gives it more shit to fling. I just hope the no feeding this particular troll position will be given some serious thought. That I respect your reasons for your different position goes without saying.

                  2. Liberals just hate to be challenged.  They believe anyone that has a differing opinion is evil, or a troll, or bigoted, or racist or homophobic or bitter or uneducated or any other word that liberals believe to be negative. 

                    Liberals are so full of themselves their is no room for reason.

                    Now, if you want to talk about communism/socialism having a chance in the US, start right here.   

                  3. I'm not feeding this misogynistic troll, and I agree that his posts have little value.

                    He's actually holding back here since Pols slapped him down- you should see the vicious, sexist, racist rants he has on the many other sites he posts on. Google "fishingblues comment" for a sickening sample.

                    People who want to do something about this poster should report his quasi-child-porn avatar (a pic of a naked baby bent over a stool) to the administrators of those sites.

                    mj

                     

                    1. Child porn?  Really?  What a viscious little mind some have.  My thought on the pic is simply a little guy multi-tasking.  I mean, sitting on the head while sucking his thumb and taking a nap.  That is some heady stuff.  Of course there is no accounting for how some people perceive innocent children.  You should be ashamed.  But, of course, you won't because you are a liberal.  

                    2. Holy cow!

                      You called it MJ.

                      That this nimrod actually ANSWERED to your reference proves he's an idiot!

                      As well as one sick goober.

                      You're right. I was thinking maybe 13 at the oldest, maybe a home schooler, neighbor of the szabot, a rand paulie.

                      Full grown adult. Unbelievable.

                    3. All  of this vindictiveness and malignity because I happened to mention that someone might be just a little overweight.  Dang!

          2. Sweet Merciful Crap, FB is a (purported) adult?!?  I figured anyone who simply regurgitated bigoted, mean spirited and contradictory GOP talking points with absolutely no irony would have to be a precociously embittered adolescent, or maybe an particularly entitled twentysomething who yearns to be just like Mitt Romney.

            But a full-grown adult, who attacks posters as "commies" and backs himself up with completely unsubstantiated "facts"?  I find that quite disturbing. To have spent that much time, completely ignorant of life, devoid of awareness, and bereft of the slightest hint of compassion towards other human beings?

            That's really very sad. 

            1. Sorry you're sad, cur.  Not sure about the GOP talking points (which ones were they again?), since I am a Libertarian.  Here is the ironic thing.  As a Libertarian, I am much more centered politiccally than 99% of the people (liberals) posting here.  And, you all hate me for it, because you can't hate yourselves.  (Go ahead and ask some of the arm-chair (read phony) psychologists that  think they know Dr.Freud.   

        2. Righties feel compelled to attribute such quotes to the Founding Fathers, because what the Founding Fathers actually said and believed goes against their propaganda. 

      2. I just read your link and I am surprised to say that I agree. The Republican Party is a proud participant in our democracy and are very good at helping themselves to our country's coffers. Usually on the backs of hard working Democrats.

      3. Thomas Jefferson said:

        — There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

        Wait, Jefferson didn't say that. Well, it's true anyway.

         

      1. Perhaps it was" Libertarians are as lads somehow prevented by cruel and indifferent nature from attaining maturity no matter the number of passing years, imaging the attic bedchambers they inhabit in their long suffering mothers' homes to comprise the world entire."?

    1. Gosh twit, finding quotes to back a position is sooooooo hard to do.  

       

      The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.

      RONALD REAGAN, televised speech, Oct. 27, 1964

        1. I'm assuming he means St. Ronald Reagan Conservative Action Figure president, not the Republican historical figure that raised taxes, waged illegal wars, gave weapons to terrorists, propped up Bin Laden, and spent massive amounts of federal money (that greatly contributed to the deficit, and thus debt) on all manner of big-ticket bombs, guns and defense consultants. 

           

      1. Really?

        How about "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles"…………..?   

        Here's another:

        "Facts are stupid things". 

        Yeah, there are many, many reagan quotes as dumb or worse, but you get the point.

        "Thus endeth the lesson".

  4. http://rackjite.com/web/libertarian.htm

     

       Looneytarians

    Libertarians are just radical Right-wingers who have not one care for anything or anyone other than themselves. They are mostly asocial computer nerds who have spent the major portion of their lives sitting in their bedrooms wishing someone liked them.

    As children they spent most of their time in their rooms thinking about themselves. Ostracized by their peers in adolescence for being geeks, goobs and nobs, they kept to their bedrooms thinking even more about themselves. After years of being shut in their room furnished with only empty crates of Clearasil to sleep on, and nothing to eat but pizzas and Frito Lay products, local health departments kept them quarantined because their acne became so bad they were leaving trails like snails whenever they were let out. Having little to do but fiddle with their computers and talking their macho man gun talk, their teenage rebellion stage became a life long endeavor, and ultimately they became the driving force of the Libertarian Party.

    So be careful who you jump in bed with politically, for the Libertarian Party is primarily about anarchy, guns, drugs, the militia movement, an ear bleeding hate of liberals and at its very core, a personal and political selfishness transcending anything witnessed on this Earth since Urg, in cave #25, holding the rest of his tribe at bay with a pointy stick, ate an entire Mammoth all by himself.

    1. I also enjoyed the "Rick Perry. Meaner and dumber than GW" part. And really, doesn't GW look almost smart and kind of sweet compared to the GOPTers that came after? You can almost forget he got hundreds of thousands of people killed and maimed for no good reason. Well, not quite. 

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