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51 Comments
1. Why did he black out "15754 Cayenne Cir" ?
2. Why did he shred the "bad" ballot? Wouldn't the smart action be to take both to the Jeffco County Clerk and determine what went wrong?
fraud about fraud? maybe he ought to be running for SOS. he is qualified with that factor to get the R slot on the ballot
Oh, sa-NAP! And another bites the dust…
I think an official investigation may be in order here. As Gray points out, if all is as it appears, how does this not constitute fraud, akin to filing a false police report?
Perhaps we should do some research and see if we can prove he's lying. It could also be that he's registered in two different counties. Does anyone know where he lived before? If he owns property in a special district in another county, he's entitled to vote. Property records are public. Just search the last name. Also, if he's a business owner, he can sometimes vote. I lease property in downtown Golden and am eligible to vote in an upcoming election here in the city. There are all sorts of explanations that can be discovered. Anyone want to help?
All good points, but, if I'm not mistaken, the man is attempting to claim that both ballots were identical and each came from Jefferson County (certainly a bad thing if true). The potential fraud on his part lies in his convenient/fortuitous "inability" to prove that both ballots were identical and from JeffCo. All that remains is a partisan's uncorroborated "claim."
Can you imagine a partisan Republican hack like this guy destroying such a potential political smoking gun? Not bloody likely. That thing would be CO GOP Holy Grail, Exhibit A.
This guy is a lawyer in the Denver office of Hogan Lovells, one of the largest law firms in the world, and his wife is a lawyer with the Brownstein law firm, and he shredded the second ballot and then claims voter fraud. Any lawyer with any sense knows you don't shred evidence, especially if you're going to make the assertion that the law has been violated or that the way a statute is structured allows for that to happen. Mr. Keyser is in real trouble on this one. If I was in his shoes, I'd "fess-up."
As David points out the bar code will tell us who sent the second ballot.
This isn't going to end well for Mr. Keyser.
That code in the bottom right identifies who sent that second envelope – details here.
Well, I think that the second barcode translates to:
TTTDFFFAAFDFAFTTATDTDDFDDFATTFFTDFAATDFFAATDTTTADDFFFTFFDAATDAFFD
In USPS-coding-speak. Plugging that into https://ribbs.usps.gov/index.cfm?page=encodertool gets the following info (if it is a six-digit code):
And, if it is a nine-digit code, it's mostly the same, except:
80465-5963 corresponds to Cayenne Circle in Morrison. I don't know how to do a reverse lookup on the mailer ID (yet). I'll decode the first barcode shortly…
The first barcode looks like it is:
FFDAFDDFADAFDTAFADTDFFADFADADFDADTATDTDADAFFDDDFTATFFAFDTTTDATFAD
Which translates to (six-digit):
And, nine-digit:
So, even without knowing the names of the mailers that sent those pieces, we can see that the mailer ID is different. Second piece:
212792 (six-digit ID) or 212792884 (nine-digit ID)
First piece:
208202 (six-digit ID) or 208202883 (nine-digit ID)
Can you spell "smoking gun?"
We have too much time on our hands. I did the same and came up with the same result. Delivery point Zip is 80465-9633. The "54" is the last digits of his address. Now if we can just figure out whose mailer id is "212792'" or can at least confirm that it is not the Jefferson County Clerk.
I also decoded the Intelligent Mail barcodes and got the same answers.
I now know more about this barcode than I should.
Still cannot figure how to convert Mailer ID to business name.
Well, if I read this correctly: http://about.usps.com/who-we-are/privacy-policy/intelligent-mail-privacy.htm USPS will not disclose any information about mailers except to law enforcement. I'm not sure it matters – I'd be willing to bet that the Jefferson County Clerk only uses one mailer ID (and both those IDs are six-digit IDs – nine-digit IDs apparently start with the number 9).
You don't need the post office. You just need someone else who received a ballot from the same entity with a matching ID. They can then tell you who sent it.
So one of you with too much time on your hands, create a temp gmail account, post it here, and ask anyone with a ballot that has a stick on mailing label like the "shreded" one, to email you a photo of the envelope and who it came from.
hmmmmm . . . let's see . . .
Keyser's ballots . . .
Gardner's health insurance policies . . .
RMGO's charging Hudak-supporter's intimidation . . .
Gessler's evidence of voter fraud . . .
W's WMDs . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I wonder what it all could mean??
unfortunate coincidence…?
It means we should either be deceived, or, if we figure out what these assholes are putting out there is total bullshit for the 800th time, give them the benefit of the doubt. Who are we to question whether or not people are intentionally misled OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
Who me ? Honest, I wasn't trying to mislead anybody, I was just confused !
It's great that you're all so tickled, but Keyser never claimed that he received two identical ballots. At most this was a simple misunderstanding, and that's all the Colorado Independent story alleges. No need to be sensationalist, Pols.
Yes, I'm sure a veteran attorney and partisan political candidate makes such egregious errors all the time, particularly when handling such critical "evidence."
Nothing to see here, folks — we have Moderatus's word for it! Just a poor misunderstood lad doing his best to uphold the law and maintain the electoral integrity of our great state!
ummm… if he wasn't claiming he received two ballots for the same election then what was he complaining about and why was he saying it was evidence of a failed system? How did he know that the one he opened was the right one and the one he shredded was something fraudulent that should be destroyed if he never opened it? Why the artful placement in the photo, concealing part of the ballot he somehow knew was the suspicious one without looking?
I'm going with making things up. You know. Like the people on Hannity claiming that ACA was forcing them to cut back on their employees when it turned out they were a tiny business with nowhere near 50 employees in the first place so no effect on the business at all or the other people on the show who claimed the same kind of policy they already had was going to cost them twice as much on the ACA exchange and a fact chcker found it would actually cost them slightly less, beside the point that these particular people could just keep what they had if they liked it better, and that they didn't know this because they had not, in fact and as they themselves admitted, been on the site?
Your side of the aisle isn't exactly known for honoring facts or shying away from dirty tricks or misleading manipulation these days.
Mod, this time you're wrong. Keyser was attempting to mislead voters into thinking an election was at risk due to a bill that Dems pushed in order to benefit fro that doubt
. . . "this time" . . . ?!?!?!?
Keyser never claimed that he received two identical ballots? That's odd, because he sure posted it on his website, and told Colorado Peaks Politics that he had: This image is from Keyser's FB page. The same one, with the text: " Okay–so I received multiple mail in ballots. Did this happen to anyone else? #C'MonMan!" was on his campaign website:
I was researching this before Pols posted this, as I had planned to post it, too. Ellen Dumm, she who famously called Jennifer Kerns a "hot mess", and so shall forever live in my heart, was on this story like white on rice weeks ago.
Jon Keyser is an opportunistic, misleading Tea Party flake. In an interview recorded by our own Jason Salzman on KLZ's grassroots radio , Keyser fairly incoherently maintains that education tax increases may be unconstitutional, and that he strives to keep Colorado business-friendly. He is running for moderate Republican Cheri Gerou's seat in District 25.
As a moderate Republican yourself, Moderatus, Gerou will be much less embarrassing to your cause than Keyser, who has shown himself willing to mislead the public over this ballot nonsense.
You guys are just awesome. And I'm guessing Pam Anderson or someone in her office checks in here to see what's going on in the interesting world of Colorado politics.
Where is Elliot? I'm sure the good counselor can explain this away in a heartbeat…no bad intent here… no attempt at hoodwinking anyone.
Tell us how that works, meine kliene Fladenmaus…please..
Haven't followed this story, and don't particularly care to start now.
Why am I not surprised ? not much wiggle room here…even for a pro like you.
Not surprised. Keyser is one of your fellow lawyer iGOP liberservative young hypocrites. You won't be speaking ill of him, ever.
I'm pretty sure I don't know the guy – looks like we may have some friends in common but that is about it.
Right move for you, Elliot. See no evil, hear no evil so you won't have to figure out a plausible way to speak no evil when you're pretty sure you're not going to see or hear anything good.
All together, now….
Brave Sir Fladen ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When facts, they reared their ugly heads,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Fladen turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Fladen!
Well, he was turned into a newt!
He got better.
Hey come on now. Elliot's no longer defending the indefensible. That's progress!
Personally, I hate it when people put words in my mouth, or tell me what I am going to do or say when X happens.
It is a dandy poem, though, Curmy.
I take it back. He is still defending the indefensible. Oh well.
Well, you've always been more generous than I have, mama. I had the same grudging respect for Elliott as a Decent Republican (of which there are definite, if dwindling numbers) when he claimed to have more moderate positions than the GOP establishment.
I saw him for what he really is during the whole Marble/Fields/Saine Chicken Incident, when he defended the indefensible there (including some nasty comments from his Right Wing radio buddies), but also attacked Rep Fields as being the one who was really in the wrong.
So, nothing he does surprises, disappoints, or angers me anymore.
P.S. The song, I stole shamelessly from Monty Python and The Holy Grail. But it was just too appropriate not to.
Mr.Keyser once again proves my adage that no one need be truly frightened of the Tea-publicans. They will always go just that much too far and come out with egg on their faces.
Well, you guys piqued my curiousity. Looks like nobody was dishonest here – guy did get two ballots, but they weren't same ballot. One was regular ballot, other was ballot for a special district tax hike question.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/144567/jeffco-duplicate-ballot-story-likely-just-a-misunderstanding
So you're saying he wasn't dishonest, just stupid?
Come on, Dave. Even lawyers don't respect other lawyers.
Coming to an erroneous conclusion does not necessarily make somebody an idiot
Here is my problem with your claim that this was simply an "erroneous conclusion." He tweeted this as #failedsystem. He was clearly trying to imply or outright state that he received two ballots for the same election. That conclusion would be easily refuted if you noted that the ballots were from seperated sources, i.e. the County on the on hand and a special district on the other. In his photo, he conspicuously hid the source of the second ballot. This literal cover-up is not consistent with an "erroneous conclusion." It appears to be an obvious intent to deceive.
It's clearly another attack on mail ballots and HB1330, Colorado's model voting law. Colorado had #1 voter turnout in the country in 2012. Other states, such as New Mexico, are also looking to go to all mail ballots. Colorado Peak politics was featuring the Keyser deception on its site for weeks, as well as stories of loose ballots in apartment complexes.
No one is advocating what should be done,, i.e. mark the ballots as "no longer at this address", and send the ballots back to the County Clerk as undeliverable, which would then inactivate the voters. I guess CPP would rather have voter fraud as a hobbyhorse to ride to attack mail ballots.
And as usual, Elliot, by blithely ignoring the main issue, is being transparently obtuse.
What main issue? That Keyser made the same mistake that many others in special districts make (per the Jefferson County Clerk)?
Elliot, I could repost it here yet again, but obviously, all you are seeing above is white space.
Apparently it falls within your moral blindspot, thus rendering it completely invisible to you.
It appears he jumped to a mistaken, but easy to make, conclusion. Given that he is running for an elected office, the idea he would intentionally screw something like this up seems ludicrous.
Well, either he's incompetently devious, or he's just plain incompetent.
Your choice.
That's the whole point. Without checking it out (according to him) he immediately presented it as proof of a "failed system".
From the facts that he didn't open it, presented it in the photo partially concealed and finally destroyed it, it's not an unreasonable assumption that his motivation was quite likely to present this as evidence of failed system while strongly suspecting it probably wasn't. That would account for the failure to actually look at it before destroying it. Plausible deniability.
The fact that these were ballots for seperate elections, not evidence of a failed system, has been the point being made in this thread all along. But picking up on points has never been your strong suit, has it
BC,
Per Anderson many have made the same mistake he made in jumping to the conclusion he jumped to. I know you may not want to believe it, but people in the GOP/conservative circles sometimes get things unintentionally wrong too. We are, despite claims of reptillian nature found in the prog-sphere, human in fact.
How many other non-reptillians after jumping to the wrong conclusion, manipulated the evidence, tweeted #failedsystem, and failed to make any kind of retraction??
(As a side bet, I'd like to wager that there were actually fewer reptiles that made this, er "mistake," than there were Republicans — wanna' bet?)
Then why promote it as evidence of a failed system? Why shred the offending county ballot instead of returning it, if he was worried about fraud? Why not respond to the County Clerk's inquiry the first time she saw his tweet and asked him to clarify? Why place the ballots in the photo so that the logo and bar code are deliberately obscured?
Or did he open it, find out that it was a legit ballot for a minor election since he's a property owner, and decide that it was better to continue on with the "OMG there's voter fraud from duplicate ballots!" meme? That's what I think happened. He had already tweeted it, posted it on his website, and sent it to Colorado Peak Politics by that time. He'd look like a putz if he admitted, "Well, it was really just a legit ballot for a minor election that runs conjointly with the main one."
Sorry, Elliott. Keyser deliberately promoted this. If it was in fact a mistake, he's an idiot unworthy to be elected to office, and I certainly wouldn't hire him as a lawyer. If he's a lying, opportunistic sleazebag trying to promote his own political fortunes by attacking Colorado's model voting system, (which is what I think he is), he also doesn't get "the benefit of the doubt".
So why the photo to show the ballot followed by the destruction to not show the ballot? Clearly either after opening or because he knew perfectly well what it was in the first place, the perfectly valid second ballot would not be something he would want to show anyone because it would have ruined his "failed system" accusation. He probably knew the truth would come to light but he'd still have reached plenty of people who wouldn't bother to check by then.
Next time I see a comment from you defending a Dem under similar circumstances (much harder to find, I know) I'll consiider your reaction something other than your kneejerk defense. And as far as we "libtards" being the same, name me one of us here or one Dem pol who defending the creepy Dem mayor of San Diego.
No response required. Pretty sure I know what it would be.