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I'm pretty excited with the potential created with the Iran deal. 6 nations involved. We may find, and the Iranians may find, that peace can be not just prosperous but life enhancing
How materialistic a country have we become when we’d rather shop on Thanksgiving—stores aren’t opening on Thanksgiving because they’re evil but because they anticipate a critical mass of people wanting to shop—than stay at home?
I suppose next year stores opening even earlier, and will be serving cheap (or free) Thanksgiving meals as incentive to bring people in.
Many people I know shop for Christmas throughout the year. And most of them hate the idea of seeing Christmas trees or hearing Christmas music before Thanksgiving.
I refuse to shop on Thanksgiving, though I'm not on the bandwagon condemning restuaurants that open on Thanksgiving; I'll be at a restaurant on Thanksgiving because I'll be traveling, and I'll be tipping extra for the service.
I never thought this would happen: I actually agree with a Fox News piece.
Many stores are already in Christmas mode and it makes you wonder whether the atrocious holiday-themed music stores play actually contains subliminal messages pushing consumers (subconciously) to buy more.
This madness is ultimately the fault of consumers–no store opens on Thanksgiving, unless store management is convinced that a Thanksgiving opening will be profitable enough to make it worth their while. Regrettably, there are a substantial number of people in this country who are easily seduced by deals, no matter how illusory, so opening on Thanksgiving Day may be a good business decision for many stores.
There is also no evidence that deals available on Black Friday are any better than deals available later on. It's all hype. I have never and will never go near a mall on Thanksgiving or BlackFriday.
Many deals, especially on Black Friday, are indeed illusory. All the discounts and deals stores are advertising are only there to get people in the store. Consumers think they’re getting a good deal; however, they don’t always stop with whatever the store is plugging: they often buy additional things, not all of which are on sale.
There is nothing forcing a store to open on Thanksgiving. Macy's was famous for not even showing a Christmas decoration until after Thanksgiving – and it was always a treat as a kid to visit Macy's in NYC to see their Xmas setup.
There's nothing forcing stores to pipe in Christmas music, or display Christmas trees – in October.
Yes, consumers are rabid – but stores are doing the pushing.
Colo. School Board Member: Transgender Students Need “Castration” Before Using Bathrooms
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/25/katherine-svenson-transgender-castration_n_4338209.html
Clearly that is not what she meant. What kind of person could believe that, let alone say it?
Her thoughts are well summarized here:
(from HuffPo article)
Wow, She is truly amazing in her ignorance. Many of the younger generation of transpeople, are figuring themselves out well before adolescence, and under a doctor's care are being given hormonal blockers to arrest development along the wrong gender line. They choose to remain immature until nearer adulthood in order to avoid having to reverse seondary sex characteristics, (breast development, facial and body hair, etc.). So, there's little chance a transgirl is likely to impregnate anyone.
She also also seems to be buying into the warped fantasy that some right-leaning people seem to have that transpeople get a big thrill from being in the company of people of their identified gender in various states of undress. Most of the t-folk I know are completely invested in getting in, doing what the came to do and getting out without calling attention to themselves. The last thing they are likely to do is leer at anyone else.
Elliot, if you think putting it that way sounds any better, I'm floored.
I'm socially liberal on a lot of things, but I still have serious qualms with certain aspects of what people pushing for the TG (for lack of a better word) agenda are seeking. I don't agree that mere self-image determines gender, and I am hesitant to have mandated co-ed locker rooms.
Transgender is not simply self image but ….castration? Seriously? So let's see, which would it be? Servicemen and women serving in close proximity but with a crackdown on rape and removal of sex crimes from the chain of command, women banned from military service or castration for male service members so they can serve with female service members? Guess the latter would solve the rape problem although you might have to ban a boatload of object as well.
After all, without castration how can you expect men and women to occupy the same space? Heck, how can you expect folks not to rape each other if they have access to broom handles or cucmbers? And if she isn't worried about transgender individuals raping people in the women's room because they have access to dicks, what the heck worries her so much that castration would be the remedy? Your quaint outdated suppostions aside.
In your view what determines gender then?
I'm no expert but I know there are many factors. Humans aren't always born with non-ambiguous genitalia and what a person is genetically is not always manifest in physical appearance.
There is hermaphroditism just to name something more apparent. There are people who present as one gender and really are of the other trapped in a body that somehow failed to reflect their true gender. Just google it , Elliot and I'm sure you'll find lots of info superior to what I would be able to provide.
It's not about being gay, either. Gay men feel themselves to be men and gay women feel themselves to be women. This is different though I would imagine combinations are possible. Could you feel yourself to be a lesbian woman trapped in a male body? I don't know but I bet it could be googled.
By the way. an acquaintance adopted a Chinese girl as an infant because she very much wanted a girl. At a young age this girl started insisting she was a boy and everyone including her (his) doctors came to agree. He has a new name and is very happy living as a boy and is receiving counseling but for the time being nothing drastic is being contemplated because of his young age. But everyone seems to feel that his gender orientaiton won't change and at some point in the future when he is mature and confident in his identity it will be legit to take concrete steps to address the situation in physical terms. The entire family and school is accepting of the situation.
I'm well aware that there are genetic conditions, or neuro-chemical conditions, that take a person outside of the so-called normal boxes. However, I think the burden should be on the person asking society to view them as having a gender other than that listed on the birth certificate to show that they aren't said gender. And that they cannot meet this burden absent some compelling reason (i.e., serious genetic/neuro-chemical abnormality related to this topic).
Still thinking through this. PCG and I have fought about this same topic many times over past few years.
Regardless, castration? Seriously? To guard against what exactly? You really do take being every rightie's self appointed apologist a bit far.
I'd like to say that I'm disappointed or surprised that Elliott would (even half-heartedly) defend someone so ignorant and so mean spriited as to use the kind of "they're different, so they're gonna rape our girls/heterosexual soldiers/white women" argument that we've heard before from that kind of person….but once Elliot mentioned people "pushing the TG agenda", it was pretty clear.
So much for individual liberties, huh?
Castration? Just to use a restroom? I'd be interested in what legal authority would justify something like that
There is a bit of a difference between TG stuff and GLB stuff. TG stuff is objected to usually not based upon a desire to restrict the freedom of others (I can generally care less if a man wants to dress up and live as a woman), but rather because those pushing it want others to THINK of them in a certain way (as the opposite gender of their birth). In other words, it is an attempt to control the thoughts of others.
For the record, surgical castration (orchidectomy) is almost never performed on m-f transpeople if surgical reassignment is even being considered. I won't go into the gory detailsof SRS, but suffice to say, castration removes tissue needed for the genital surgery. I'm sure that by now some of you are wondering how I know this stuff. I've been married to an m-f transwoman for almost 30 years, so I'm about as close to an expert on the subject as anyone likely to post here.
BC, the stats on intersex births are that about 1% of infants are born with ambiguous genitals. It is less so now, but it used to be standard procedure to surgically modify such children to look like girls, regardles oftheir chromosomal sex. They were usually sterile and had to be prescribed estrogens at the correct age to induce feminine secondary sex characteristics. Many, if not most were never told the truth about their condition.
Sorry, it's late. That reply went in the wrong place.
Just have to say, BC….sometimes you really do rock.
Thanks. You, too!
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On a completely unrelated and lighter subject…. gee, who could have foreseen any problems with famously calm and stable Alec Baldwin? Shortest run MSNBC show ever?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/alec-baldwin-msnbc-over-new-york-post_n_4344798.html?ref=topbar
This is an experiment to see how long it takes the recall hudak campaign to copy my research.
The Democracy Defense Fund (Hudak supporters, anti-recall) spent $58,550 last month, $50,000 of it in paying canvassers via Democracy Resources.
I know that they read this blog religiously. I find it amusing, since I'm banned from commenting on their site.
So recallhudaktoo copied their Democracy Defense data from Kurtis Lee of the Denver Post, about 4 hours after he published.