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November 28, 2013 07:00 AM UTC

Thanksgiving Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others."

–Cicero

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34 thoughts on “Thanksgiving Weekend Open Thread

  1. Good morning, Pols. Good morning, Polsters.

    Since today is a day to express our gratitude, let me say thanks.

    Pols, thanks for being here. As should be obvious to all, spending time with this community and having such a forum to interact with the body politic of this state is a treasure to me.

    Polsters…I am humbled to be considered your peer. This site is inhabited by some great minds and some equally extraordinary souls. Thanks…

    1. Agreed. Thanks, Pols. I have a new appreciation for an "open forum", wherein we at least attempt to argue with civility and disagreeing opinions are tolerated, if severely challenged. Fools are not suffered gladly, but we do certainly suffer them.  Sadly, this is rare, even for Democrat/liberal forums.

    2. Duke, you allways know what to say and how to say it.

      +100, everyone have a wonderfull Thanksgiving and thanks to Pols for being here.

      Bless our United States Military personnel worldwide. And thank you to the 2800 Military working Dogs currently deployed, whether in harms way or Embassies not threatened, stateside, around the world, or retired.

      We do need to remember one and all, no matter our personal politics, our preferences, our likes and dislikes, the men and women, 4 legs or 2, that wear the uniform are on the wall, for us, today, and every day.

      1. your mom has some kind of wicked anti-porn filter on her wifi? 😉

        Happy Thankgiving all. I'm on a break fro cooking at our community meals program. Back to it soon to serve

          1. Good morning, David.

            I met a gentleman at a meeting last week who asked me to pass along a greeting to your mother. His name is Chris Parsons. Learning that he was from Hawaii, I asked him if he knew your mother, and to my surprise he said he did.

            He told a story of a storm and a couple of feet of water in her living room that was somehow involved in thier acquaintance. He said some very nice things about your Mom in the telling.

            Happy Holidays…and do try to keep warm smiley

  2. well, after at least 10 visits to the website I just successfully purchased health insurance through the Connect site. It is a circle jerk as someone else described it. Very frustrating. But, as soon as I get the premium notice and pay (they would not take a credit card) I'll have really good insurance at a relatively fair price. I still do think it unfair that rural communities have to pay significantly more. Yes, it has always been that way. That just means it has always been unfair

    1. Black Friday isn't complete without at least a few fights here and there. wink

      I've never once in my life had any desire to join the teeming hordes people lining up in the middle of the night, or increasingly on Thanksgiving night, to buy crap I don't really need. Although I don't participate in Black Friday, someday must–stores wouldn't open on holidays or at ridiculous hours if it wasn't profitable to do so. 

      1. And really, why bother? There will plenty of equally good deals available later on in the shopping season, especially in this economy. These shoppers willing to suffer the indignities of Black Friday (and now Black Thursday, too) are like a bunch of lemmings. Zero sympathy for any injuries suffered. A shred of dignity and lick of sense would have kept them safe at home or maybe going to the movies or something.

          1. You're right. Those of us familiar with how retail really works are well aware of just how much items are marked up and that the "suggested price" cited in most sales is pure fantasy. This from the article explains it pretty clearly.

            Here's how it works, according to one industry consultant describing an actual sweater sold at a major retailer. A supplier sells the sweater to a retailer for roughly $14.50. The suggested retail price is $50, which gives the retailer a roughly 70% markup. A few sweaters sell at that price, but more sell at the first markdown of $44.99, and the bulk sell at the final discount price of $21.99. That produces an average unit retail price of $28 and gives the store about a 45% gross margin on the product.

            I would only add that that a sweater with a suggested retail of $50 that was ever sold at $44.99 and mainly sold at 21.99  is a pretty cheap sweater. At an even moderately upscale department store the mark up is more likely to be at least 100% for starters.  When these moderately upscale stores have big sales with huge discounts most of it is stock brought in expressly for the sale that no one ever dreamed of selling at the supposed suggested price.

            Once an acquaintance tried to recruit me for Amway. The big selling point was that even without selling a thing you had access to all the stuff in their catalog for "wholesale" prices. The prices in the catalog were a joke. Far from wholesale, the prices were more along the lines of a first markdown and much higher than the usual periodic sale prices at any old Macy's or Dillards though both those stores had different names back then. Of course Amway isn't about selling product except to other people you recruit to buy stuff from Amway. But that's another story in another sector.

        1. Wait until after the fisrt of the year—-those "discounts" get really, really deep. Lots of prices go down to the level of what the store purchased it for to begin with.

  3. The worst long-term effect of the Obamacare debacle

    Still, the most worrisome, long-term impact of the troubled rollout is not only the immediate political fallout or even the damage done to Obama’s presidency, some prognosticators say. Instead, it will be the hit taken by the American people’s already diminishing faith in government if the health care law ultimately fails.

    “The stumbling of the rollout of Obamacare reinforces the criticism that the American people have of the government, and their distrust of government to do basic things, although it’s a part of their lives,” said James Thurber, a professor of government at American University. “People are getting tired of promises that cannot be delivered.”

    1. People would be surprised at the number of things they take for granted that government does do right. When government truly fails to do basic things what you have is a failed state like Somalia. We have infrastructure that largely works and the ability to take care of routine matters such as attaining a driver's license without paying bribes every step of the way.  Public employees get paid. Social Security recipients get their checks. I could go on and on. 

      The point is most things we need from government in order to carry on in our daily lives work.  There is a difference between truly fearing we're going to wake up tomorrow to total failed state chaos and the kind of complaints most people have about red tape, inefficiency, unforeseen problems with pieces of legislation and frustration with government bureaucracy. I think this guy is being a taste hyperbolic.

  4. Is anyone else seeing the "bad Coffman" ad (in Spanish)* at the top of their Pols screen?

    Click here to find out more!

    *translation: bad for families, bad for education, bad for workers, too extreme for Colorado

      1. Haven't seen it but I'd love to.  What with remembering enough French to recognized "mal" and a similar root for work (not to mention words like malfeasance and travail in plain English) and with words like "familias" and "educacion" it's not too tough to figure out without a translation either. 

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