Tuesday Open Thread

"George Washington, as a boy, was ignorant of the commonest accomplishments of youth. He could not even lie."

–Mark Twain 

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  1. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

    Just for fun, I clicked on one of the spanish language ads from CRED (Colorado Republicans Engaged in Destruction) and I must say…the photos are lovely.

  2. dwyer says:

    Update on the cake war-not just boyles anymore

    Target:  Colorado's Public Accommodation law and those who support it….ACLU, "progressives," democrats, atheists, gays….Nationally, it is an attack on the 14th amendment under which the public accommodation laws outlawed Jim Crow. The argument is being framed in terms of private property rights to discriminate and religious liberty overrules any "government" law.

    Slogan:  "Cake War"

    Fire:   Baker refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, they filed a complaint under the Public Accommodation law and an administrative judge ruled against the baker.   Tea party, talk show hosts, are supporting the baker and demanding that the "government" can't force a person to act against his religious beliefs. 

    People vote when they are angry or when they feel threatened or when they feel part of a like minded group. Talk radio is uniquely situated, right now, to help create that "group feeling." The next "meet-up" is this Friday at the bakery.  The other "meet-ups" were the Hudak recall breakfast meeting with republican candidates.  Coming up is the "freedom shoot"….I have no idea what that is……

    There is also a new "slogan" designed to inspire fear…."the next man theory."

    If the "government" gets away with this attack on "religious freedom" "gun rights," then "they" will come for you…..


    In 2012, the democrats have used well the emotions that motivate people to vote.  Voter suppression laws angered minority voters and resulted in a big turnout.  Women were not only angered, but threatened by the statements to restrict reproduction rights.  My understanding is that a real social network/community  was created among the OFA workers.  But I don't know what the dems are doing now.  The night before Hudak resigned,  I got an email from the party asking us to show up and support the "don't sign petitions" on the following weekend.  That was it.  I know that OFA had birthday parties on Obama's birthday that no one attended and became an object of ridicule.  I still get personal emails from "prominent" democrats asking for money…..this does not generate a feeling of belonging.  




    • Miss Jane says:

      This is war, and winning this battle is crucial. 

      Regarding the "next man" theory, Dems could use it, as well.  What if the baker refused to make a cake for Catholics, or Missouri Synod Lutherans, or anyone with black hair because…well you know, or how about for a bar mitzvah. 

      I agree there is a message to deliver, clearly, loudly and repeatedly.  Spell it out.  Dems hate to do this for some reason.  Repetition and simplicity are key, but the message has to get attention in a VERY meaningful way.  How about no cakes for people who own guns, dogs, and for those who can't pass a simple test on the Constitution.   I kind of like the last one.  And it is a closely held religious belief of mine, in that I hold to it religiously.  wink

      Happy Holidays! 


  3. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:





    Is anyone surprised by this allegation? Chris Christie is an asshole, frankly, and has used his innate belligerence and "fuck you" attitude to his advantage…so far. Perhaps, though, he is getting a bit "too big for his britches"…


    Chris Christie Administration In A Jam Over Charges Of Using Busiest U.S. Bridge In Political Payback


    WASHINGTON — The George Washington Bridge connecting Manhattan to Fort Lee, N.J., is the busiest in the country. So it was no small matter when in September, two of the three access lanes to the bridge were shut down, creating significant traffic problems on the New Jersey side.

    The shutdown was ordered by a political appointee of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Christie's administration said the closure was justified due to a traffic study, while Democrats questioned whether it was political retribution against the mayor of Fort Lee, who weeks before had refused to endorse Christie's reelection.

    But on Monday, the top Port Authority official threw cold water on the Christie administration's claim, testifying at a state Assembly hearing that he didn't know about any traffic study. The Christie ally who ordered the closure, David Wildstein, resigned on Friday, reigniting questions about whether the traffic snarl created by the closure was all just political payback — allegations that the Christie administration has dismissed as "crazy."

    Read more here….


    • Ralphie says:

      There are many other things out there that will bite Christie in the ass if he gets national attention.  Like giving Sandy relief contracts to crony contractors (it is New Jersey after all)  Google Christie AshBritt and Christie HGI.  Then there are other things like being on vacation in Florida during a major blizzard, using a State Police helicopter to attend a son's soccer game, the list goes on and on…

    • BlueCat says:

      This is so stereotype New Jersey. 

        • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

          just..New Jersey? I spent some time working from DC to Boston in the past couple of years. The system is ossified in a larger swath of territory than just Jersey. Jersey just gets more press.

          Cronyism and political retribution are the undertold backstory of this whole process…this meritocracy has almost completely made the transition to a plutarchy…with a minor in kleptocracy.

          And if we can't get the American people together to see the real problem, we will continue to throw water on smoke until the fire of the "free market" consumes the middle class in the United States.

          The middle class was built upon the foundation of public education, workers rights, and fair taxation of the sector of society that will soon become the American aristocracy. The Koch brothers…the Walton Family…the accumulators of wealth so vast they can purchase the world. Along with the uber-rich of other nations, they are crafting a business environment that will make the world the setting for the "Free Market Experiment".

          The disaster capitalists will point the way. These people are the real "takers".


          • BlueCat says:

            This isn't about any ossification or real problems though. It's about the question of screwing with the welfare of everybody in an entire town and beyond, including school children and people in need of medical help, entirely and only for politcal retribution. That's pretty outrageous and blatant, even for Jersey.

          • It's extra rich in NJ. (I'll vouch as an escapee…)

            Cronyism has been a fixture of NJ politics since – well, since as long as I can remember. I think it spills over into (or out of) Philadelphia and New York City at about the same level. I'm surprised when a Jersey politician manages to avoid the taint even for a while; I think it's almost expected of anyone in state leadership – the citizens never seem to like it, but they know it's going to happen anyway.

          • MADCO says:

            Jersey gets the press it deserves.




        • BlueCat says:

          Oh that's for sure. I should have said it plays so perfectly into the negative New Jersey wise guys stereotype (and some stereotypes are based much more on reality than others), that it really doesn't bode well for Christie's presidential ambitions. People may like a tough talking Jersey guy for Governor of that state but his GOTP primary opponents should have no trouble painting him as someone who belongs in Jersy but is just not right for the good old morally superior rightie heartland.  

  4. ZappateroZappatero says:

    President Obama shows true statemanship and leadership at the Mandela Memorial and shakes Raul Castro's hand and kisses the cheek of Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff.

    These kind and peaceful acts will, and already are, be condemned by hateful Republicans and Conservatives everywhere.

    • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

      You're right, Zap. "See ?He is a Communis'! Shakin' hands with that Castro feller. Why, Ida popped him one in the mouth jest fer bein' there and another one 'cause I missed the chance to smack his brother. I always knowed that Obamer ain't no 'Merican, and I uz right! And what was Obamer doing at the funeral anyhow? That Mandela was another Communis'. What's 'Merica comin to?"

    • VanDammerVanDammer says:

      Great post @DailyKos (http://tinyurl.com/qc4d9f5) with a mess of GOPer kodachromes capturing their moments with a rogues gallery of past Commies and cool-as-hell dicktators.  Great Ronnie's Ghost even John McCain was tweeting his bromance with Col. Q during a Libyan junket just a few years back.  

      GOP hypocrisy knows NO limit.    

  5. roccoprahn says:

    FYI, the SD19 Vacancy Committee will meet tonight up in Westminister to choose Evie's successor in the Colorado State Senate.

    Two terrific candidates are vieing for the post, which will seat the winner of the Committee vote untill the 2014 election.

    Sarah Gagliardi and Rache Zenzinger are both proven capable public servants. In Democratic ranks there is no rancor that I've noticed, and both camps are vocal about supporting the winner of tonight's vote, whomever that may be.

    The decision to have Evie step down still bothers me, but only because the recall goons forced it. This should never have happened. The strategy was brilliant, kneecapping any chance of GOP theft of the majority, but a good, honest Senator was lost in the process.

    Everything is on schedule to seat the incoming Senator for the January session start, and Democrats can be proud of how this issue has been handled.

    Seccessionist anti-government gunzo fanatics………..you have nothing to be proud of, or to show for your disgusting disrespect for the legislative process.

  6. MADCO says:

    "… you fuckin' people … you have no idea how to defend a nation."

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