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January 22, 2014 06:24 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 66 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“How easy it is, treachery. You just slide into it.”

–Margaret Atwood, from The Year of the Flood

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66 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

    1. Ain't it the truth? The fiscal conservatives are loathe to pay in but always seem to be at the front of the line with their hands out to receive. Colorado Springs is one of the top ten net-tax-recipients in the U.S.

    2. Hypocrisy reigns supreme in Mesa County, where our lovely commissioners want a cut of pot sales taxes but banned shops in the county.

      However, the wet dream of the so-called liberty party is to end federal and state public lands. The Mesa County commissioners would love nothing better than to sell off our finest public lands to the highest bidder.

      PILT payments are cheap in comparison.

       

    1. Apparently you didn't read the article, because nowhere in there does the article state that Bader-Ginsberg thinks the decision was judcial overreach. She disagrees with the logic used because she would have preferred a decision that was more womans' rights based, but nowhere in the article does it say SHE thinks it was judicial overreach.

      1. From the link:

        It's that she opposes the logic of the 1973 court's majority opinion and the constitutional basis under which seven justices arrived at their conclusion.

        How would you describe that conclusion of hers?

        1. I would describe it as a disagreement in the logic used in the ruling. RTFA for her reasoning, and the fact that she has upheld the ruling numerous times since taking the bench.

          That's different from judcial overreach – i.e. that the ruling has no Constitutional basis (e.g. Gore v. Bush). That argument to me is deficient; if anything IMHO the ruling is too narrow, but the concepts underlying it are sound.

            1. "~~It's not that she opposes the holding that recognizes a right to an abortion. It's that she opposes the logic of the 1973 court's majority opinion and the constitutional basis under which seven justices arrived at their conclusion."

              In other words, David, it is a medical decision not a religious or a legislative one driven by a narrow religious belief.  There are many reasons why an abortion is medically indicated.  Ginsberg understands that.  Many of us understand that a legislature is not licensed to practice medicine.  The absurdity of that does give one pause… and sadly so.     

               

  1. Scott Tipton doesn't like the government, except when he does.

    "Since coming to Washington I have cast numerous votes that reduce spending, …As we move forward, I will continue to look for every opportunity to get America back on the path to economic growth."

    http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_24962817/rural-counties-scramble-at-loss-federal-dollars

    Rural counties scramble at loss of federal dollars

    "I'm very disturbed … that the decision was made to zero it out," said Rep. Scott Tipton, a Republican whose 3rd District gets more of these federal dollars than anywhere else in Colorado… "We're concerned on the impact primarily on our communities."

      1. From article David links to. Makes a lot of sense:

        How did Utah accomplish this? Simple. Utah solved homelessness by giving people homes. In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker. So, the state began giving away apartments, with no strings attached. Each participant in Utah’s Housing First program also gets a caseworker to help them become self-sufficient, but they keep the apartment even if they fail. The program has been so successful that other states are hoping to achieve similar results with programs modeled on Utah’s.

         

    1. I saw this, and I have to say that the Mormons are making sense on this one. They tracked how much it cost to jail homeless people, vs. how much it cost to give them a small apartment and a case manager. Turns out the second option was cheaper, and they're curing homelessness in their state.

    2. Proving once again that Utah is "different" sometimes. This is a practical solution apparently (according to TFA) advocated by several homelessness organizations. It bears a lot of resemblance to the logic behind taking Colorado to a single-payer healthcare system, actually – it costs less money and solves the problem more effectively.

      My basic feeling is, if you get the toxic extremist propaganda out of the equation, lawmakers who don't owe their livelihoods to such groups can and often will make generally decent decisions regardless of their political bent. Things fall over more because the demonization starts and becomes overwhelmingly prevalent than because politicians just can't get along.

      1. Certainly partly true but there is also the problem of the non-nut cases being pushed out via primaries in favor of more nut cases so more GOTP pols in state and fed legislatures really are toxic in their own right and not just under pressure.

        refuse to see this as an extremist on both sides issue as there are hardly any truly liberal Dems in office these days, much less extremists. Elected Dems are overwhelmingly moderate. Elected Rs are overwhelmingly extreme or bowing to their extremists.

        Apparently in deep red Utah, the legislature as a whole feels safe enough to allow for the occasional resort to common sense. As long as it isn't to do with religious influenced issues like choice and gay rights. Helping the homeless is an area where they may feel there's enough wiggle room for practical policy.

  2. Pentagon contractors who earn poverty wages set to go on strike. The Pentagon has to be the most bloated, wasteful, and expensive (and deadly) governmental department in the entire world. Yet:

    Food service and janitorial staff at the Pentagon are going on strike Wednesday morning, opening a new front in the ongoing fight to get President Obama to end the federal government’s practice of paying poverty wages to contract employees at federal facilities.

    ….

    The workers in question are on the payroll of companies like Dunkin Donuts and Taco Bell, but in a sense their real employer is the federal government. The government hires fast food, retail, security, and janitorial companies to service contracts for federal properties. Those contracts give the government a chance to set wage and hour terms for the on-the-ground workers who will actually cook the food and haul the trash. Federal contracts of this sort actually prop up more low-wage jobs than notoriously low-paying companies McDonald’s and Walmartcombined.

    At present, three in four of these workers make less than $10 per hour, and four in 10 rely upon public assistance despite working a full-time job.

    This is the kind of disgusting thing that bipartisanship in Congress gives us: workers treated as horribly under public contracts as they are by private employers, and large, highly profitable corporations being subsidized while perpetrating that injustice against workers with the least power and representation in congress.

  3. Big believer in affordable health care today.  I didn't even know what Bradycardia was until my heart stopped beating for 9 seconds.  $50,000 worth of tests and a pace maker later I'm alive to tell the tale with employer based health insurance to cover the costs.  Thank you baby Jesus for giving me time to get to the emergency room to get my little onboard computer.

      1. Not to mention I was getting my face shredded.  I had six black out (Syncope for the medical minded) episodes over four weeks and my heart probably stopped beating each time. You are totally defenseless when you pass out so no chance whatsoever to protect yourself and you usually lead with your face.  Once when I went down, I hit a base board radiator and cut my forehead requireing seven stitches.  I've been telling people that it is a Harry Potter scar and if it ever starts throbbing they better run.  Another time I hit the edge of the bathroom sink and cut my upper lip.  One of my tests was to get x-rays to see if I had a neck fracture.  The good news is that I didn't have a stroke or heart attack and today's pace makers are marvels of modern medical technology.  The pace maker by boosting my heart rate and keeping it from falling below 60 will actually be supplying more blood to the rest of my organs besides my brain so the prognosis is that over time I'll actaully start to feel better.  We don't know exactly what caused my Bradycardia but there is a possibility that it was the wrong combination of blood pressure medicine.  I was taking big doses of a beta blocker called Atenolol which further suppressed an already low heart rate.  In the hospital they repeatedly asked me why I hadn't seen a cardiac specialist for my blood pressure.  Lesson learned.  Question and research every drug your primary care provider prescribes.

        1. Wow!  Glad you're OK!  How high was your Atenolol dose?  That would definitely slow your heart rate, and limit its ability to  rise in appropriate response to need, stress, etc.

        2. @Gilpin Guy,

          I hope you continue to recover.  I want to thank you for posting this information.  I am currently dealing with a minor (I hope) blood pressure medication problem and I will pay attention based on your experience.  I am really grateful.

      1. Or don't do exactly what doctors tell you without a second opinion and make sure all of your doctors know all of your meds. The best person to consult about combinations of meds is actually a qualified (not just tech) pharmacist. They know more about drugs than doctors do. Tell your doctor if your pharmacist raises any red flags.

        1. Absolutely, BC! All doctors know about drugs is what the pharmaceutical reps. (salesmen) tell them. I just assume my doctors are clueless about the presriptions they hand me and always consult the real druggist, not just a clerk.

  4. Raising minimum wage officially no longer just for pinkos. Also, haven't checked O'Reilly's figure for only 6% earning minimum wage (so raising it is fine but no big deal according to him) but whatever the number, it doesn't include those now making less than what the minimum wage might be raised to. So if the minimum wage were raised to $10 (don't think that's enough) it would also affect all those now making more than minimum wage but less than $10 which would up the percent affected. Not to mention the economy wide effect of more consumers with more money. Anyway see the degree of rightie support, public support and self identified Republican support for raising it here:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/21/surprising-minimum-wage-supporters_n_4611386.html?utm_hp_ref=business

    1. $10/hr. is sufficient to get single people above poverty level (in areas of the US considered average), even if they're only working 35hr/wk. But it doesn't lift families out of poverty, and it probably doesn't get everyone above the various Federal and state assistance levels.

      1. Second round is on me.  I'll remind Jeff that I proposed Brophy was a serious "mental midget contender" last August in this diary

        Can the burning of Lyn's bra be far behind?  I'm anxiously awaiting the unveiling of the Gardner endorsement.

          1. Wait, it's all coming back to me. Lyn Bartels, tweeted about Morgan Carroll supposedly burning her bra because she mentioned "women" too much.

            You're forgiven, but somehow the "bra-burning"joke isn't improving with repetition. That was a fricking hilarious roast piece by Jeff Rice, though.

                1. Good morning, Duke!  Anita is as adorable as she is "a force of nature"!  Wish I could have dropped in on that lunch date.  I love her Vermont stories about the nuclear plant "incident" and Bernie Sanders first Independent race at a time when the state was effectively a wholly-owned subsidiary of Monsanto.  It was a great history lesson.  Hope you're well. 

                  1. I am , thanks…likewise.

                    I have known her a long time. She is as charming as she is vivacious. I look forward to sharing lunch with you both. Are you home?

                    1. I am here today.  Speaking in Boulder this eve – then off to Minneapolis -> DC -> Los Angeles -> back home in a week.  Should be mostly nested here in Colorado after that 🙂

                       

  5. Fuck!  Castle Rock's gun totin', gun shop ownin' Mayor and three if his toadies, passed a first-reading repeal on the ban against open carry of firearms in town buildings and town parks!

    (It isn't enough that anyone could already open-carry their loaded AR-15 slung on their back and walk down Main Street — that actually happened in December, 6 citizen 911 calls to the police — that's already legal!!!)

    Nope, to be a good CR rightie, you gotta' be able to open carry that AR whenever you pay your water bill, file for a building permit, or want to speak before town council!

    Fuck!

      1. When tha letter was read before Council at the meeting last night, it actually drew applause and cheers from some of the nutters who gave testimony!!!

          1. Longest six hours of my life this year to date . . . 

            The town attorney, the town manager, 95% of the town employees (400 respondees to a survey), the town planning commission, the town safety commission, a former mayor . . . 

            . . . all of these folks formally recommended to Council against repealing the ban !

            Nope!  It's more important not to infringe on the liberty of Patrick Henry Nutter who "needs" a sidearm visible in his person whenever he goes to watch his little Johnny play basketball, or little Suzy play volleyball at the Rec Center in crime-ridden Castle Rock!

        1. It's intimidation, pure and simple. Unfortunately, if this rule change is allowed to stand in Castle Rock, somebody someday in a public meeting is going to have a stupid yelling argument that escalates out of control, and someone will die. And that's what it will take to begin to reconsider this madness.

          I saw posts from moms worried about taking their kids to public playgrounds in CR now. Very sad.

          1. Here's a good one — we learned last night that local law enforcement (police and county sheriffs) can't/don't enforce the 1,000 foot gun-free zone required by the federal safe-schools act.  Again, Nope.  That's a federal responsibility for enforcement unless your local municipality has specific laws allowing enforcement — federal marshalls, the FBI, etc.

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