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July 23, 2014 07:04 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense."

–Ralph Waldo Emerson

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30 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. Musty Speaks!  Yes, she's B-A-C-K!  According to Lynn Bartels, Marilyn Musgrave spoke about those competitive Senate races in LA, NC and AR but made no mention of CO. When reminded of Cory Gardner, Musty said, "Cory has to make his own decisions on that [i.e., reproductive choice]."

  2. I fed the troll, my bad. I didn’t see the sign. AC should apologize. Isn’t that the rightie reflex? A quirk they have wanting others to apologize?

     Seriously, its enabling behavior to respond, more over, a waste of effort, IMO, as authoritarian mindsets, respect neither opposing views or the medium.  Plus, it increases the carbon footprint of the site. Somewhere, a cooling system labors to sooth a server storing the digital output of this site.

     I would rather read the acumen of the brainy contributors posting here (I can’t say I keep up). Let the troll rummage thru the Red St site, (moderators there) Free speech? Not hardly. Not since the Federalist five made speech a commodity.

     Today’s thinking outside the box; towns in Cory’s district complain on TV about bare shelves of the lone food retailer, in the midst of this strange struggle (it is a farming district, after all), supplier grocery guy says at no time did cut back on health care for employees, despite it being an onerous burden, as the food store enterprise slid into difficulty. If, as in civilized industrial countries, health care was universally provided, would there be a different outcome? Food, pretty basic. Next water, they keep draining the Ogallala aquifer, like there’s no tomorrow. And conservatives want to pretend they have solutions. Thx

        1.  Thx, Progressicat- the 3 towns were Akron (hwy 34), Wiggins(I-76) and Walden the latter being in Jared's dist I think. This phenom (empty shelves) has approached before as "food desertification" rural gas & go convenience stores not having fresh food, veggies.Just thepackaged items containing the 3 major food groups: salt suger and fat.

          And this month marks the end of tomato tyranny- home grown tomatoes; not the carved from wood replicas they say are green house grown.

    1. The newish owner took $1.4M out of the business in leass than 3 years.
      Yes, he looted the business and that it why it collapsed.
      This has nothing to do with:
      healthcare costs
      the rural location

       

        1. That's not Dave's point. The guy used $700k of the $1.4 mil that he sucked out of the business to pay off the past judgements from his other failed ventures.  I'm sure he's got plenty of other lawsuits in his past and certainly his future.

          They guy's a sleaze ball — he just used the excuse of employee health care costs as the reason for running out of cash.  

          1. The channel 7 news stories merely included his statement of providing health care to his best, given the fact it’s the bankruptcy, the B word I avoided using and not wanting to slander or libel. Any lawyers chime in as to what happens when someone plays fast loose with assets under Federal court debt reorganization? And the subtle point made by me was that righties- secessionists – prefer to run away from the metropolis, yet cant buy basic food. With only 10% of pop, I don’t see Kroger  or Walmart or anyone else clamoring to supply them

      1. The rural location is relevant, as the closing grocery stores may not have much competition. On one end, residents will have the farmer's markets, which may offer great produce and possibly meats. You have to get there when the owners are selling, and they may be way out in the country.

        On the other end, the gas/ convenience store (those 51,000 jobs that Hick et al say will be lost from the dreaded fracking ban)

        There may not be much in between. The all-purpose grocery store as the go-to market  in the middle of town fills a needed niche.

  3. General Suthers has lost another battle in his attempt to keep Coloradans from challenging constitutionality of TABOR in court.  The Tenth Circuit (of late, famous for its marriage equality decisions) voted 6 to 4 not to rehear en banc a earlier panel decision to uphold the district court's to let the lawsuit challenging TABOR to move forward.

    Perhaps his obsession with gay marriage has distracted our AG from his true calling in life……defending TABOR.

     

    1. Very partisan result, at least if the judges voted as you'd expect.

      The court has 2 Clinton appointees, 4 Obama appointees (plus one pending commission in the fall), 4 Bush 43 appointees, and 1 Bush 41 appointee. My guess is that one of the R judges didn't vote for some reason, and everything else was 100% along partisan lines.

      As it's rare to get an en banc hearing this early in the life of a trial, the tea leaves say that Republicans are worried about this challenge to TABOR.

  4. Poor con man cory – the spin on this should be good

     

    Gardner pointed to Udall as an example on fracking

    Gardner pointed to Udall as an example on fracking. 9NEWS.com. 07/22/14.

    KUSA—The recent battle over fracking in Colorado quickly entered Colorado's Senate race and the latest tiff involves Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Colorado) caught on tape a couple years ago praising his opponent on oil and gas policy.

    "I believe, as Governor Hickenlooper believes, as Senator Udall has said, that the decisions on fracking ought to be made at the local level," Gardner says in the video, provided to 9NEWS by the Udall campaign.

    Gardner was responding to a question from a voter at a 2012 town hall event in Berthoud, Colorado.

    Garner's comments in the video do not mean that he supports "local control" policies, which would allow cities and counties to regulate fracking.

    In the video, Gardner goes on to clarify that he meant states should control fracking as opposed to the federal government, adding, "I believe that [fracking policy] ought to be deferred to the state, just as Governor Hickenlooper does."

    When talks to avoid a statewide vote on fracking broke down this month, Gardner was quick to attack Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colorado,) which the Udall campaign portrays as a flipping of opinion on Gardner's part.

    "Even Congressman Gardner praised Mark's reasonable, level-headed approach to energy development until he jumped into the Senate race and started playing political games," said Udall campaign press secretary Kristin Lynch.

      1. Our resident "Einsteins" will probably invoke the theory of relativity to explain the apparent paradox.  Depending on where a Republican stands in the SpaceTime Continuum, words take on various meanings.

        Thus Federal Personhood is different because it's not State Personhood, although the contents of both contain the same words and intent.  Similarly, when Cory said "Local control is good", he was speaking only in the past tense, and the Federal government is "non-local", and the State is Local in the current SpaceTime.

        Make sense to everyone?  Nah, me neither.

        1. They'll just say it's two totally different things, like the state personhood measure Gardner says he no longer supports because of possible consequences and the federal personhood amendment he does support that has identical consequences, all stemming from granting full rights to fertilized eggs, which both do.

    1. In Pueblo, Clerk Ortiz  stopped issuing same-sex marriage licenses a few days ago, after forty couples were married. He'll wait for the case to make its way through Supreme Court.

      "I believe that … Suthers is on the wrong side of history and my office is reluctantly ceasing to issue licenses as of this afternoon," Ortiz said in a statement.

  5. Tragic news……El Paso County will no longer pay for Pamela Mackey's attorney's fee associated with advising and/or representating the Shirtless Sheriff during his legal travails.  

     

  6. And more disturbing news…..Sarah Palin faces a $154 fine for speeding.  Apparently she surrendered without a fight.  When asked about it, she said she wasn't speeding but qualifying for a race. 

  7.  New Deputy Energy Secretary = just like the old Deputy Energy Secretary, a military person with extensive experience in drones and military hardware procurement.

    Someone 'splain this to me. Why does an energy secretary have to be such a military-industrial complex insider?

    I know that the Obama administration has been really good about finding and securing "loose nukes" and nuclear material. Is that the overlap? Are we preparing to defend energy, or powering our defense?

    Why are we suddenly trading energy secretaries in the middle of a defense/ energy quandary with Russia and the Ukraine?

    1. Probably. DOE is responsible for nuclear materials, and since we have an Energy Secretary who is a scientist (two in a row now), having a Deputy Secretary who has a military tie-in is probably considered "the right thing to do".

  8. Musings on Waters…….but this time it's a Democrat.  Remember Scott McInnis, the GOP's annointed winner in 2010, who went on to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  It's sounding like the Dem appointed to the MT Senate seat may have done something similar.  The only good news is that Walsh was one of the three seats that were unlikely to go Dem in Nov.

    Maybe Walsh will withdraw and Schweitzer will reconsider and get in…….

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