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August 28, 2014 06:15 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Words are potent weapons for all causes, good or bad."

–Manly Hall

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      2. Gosh, you mean it's NOT actually a picture of downtown Craig in 1932???

        Great catch, Skippy — your powers of observatiuon are really KEEN!

        Humor- and irony-impaired teabaggers…

  2. Dems continue to grow their base:

    The Democratic Party which now successfully holds 3 of Colorado's 7 Congressional seats is on a path to further expand the base.  The brains behind the operation have noticed the growning terrorist threat around the world and have decided, hey terrorists can vote, too.  Former President Jimmy Carter has been put in charge of outreach to Hamas.  He is headlining a fundraiser for the American arm of Hamas this weekend in Detroit. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/082614-714878-carter-keynoting-isna-event-is-like-supporting-hamas.htm

    If all goes well, expect to see Former President Clinton lead the outreach to ISIS. They are saving him for the big fish.  

    What could possibly go wrong?

    2. zzzzzzzzz…. but here's a pre-reply to your next inane cartoon about Obama's golf or vacations:

      The following post first appeared on FactCheck.org.

      Q: Is it true that George W. Bush took more vacation days than Barack Obama?

      A: Yes. Before his two-week trip to Martha’s Vineyard in August, Obama’s count was 125 full or partial days and Bush’s total at the same point in his presidency was 407.

      1. But but… Bush was president during two wars, the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil, and the total melt-down of the US economy after he turned the treasury over to the .01%.  It's not like now when there are things that need doin' 

  4. IBD is Mike Rosen's favorite source, which tells us a lot about Rosen. It's the business news for those who don't think Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal isn't conservative enough, which tells us enough. Ah what fear inhabits the small minds of those like carnegie.

    1. I've often wondered how much of the opposition to the ACA is sincere versus opportunistic? No doubt there are some who believe it's wrong for philisophical reasons. However, I imagine there's more than a few who oppose it because either: (1) Democrats proposed or (2) It's success threatens to undermine the GOP talking points.

      The particular talking points I have in mind are: (1) Government can't doing anything right and (2) The black and white no-shades of gray mentality where anyone who is poor or without health insurance is a "taker" who gets what they deserve.

      1. I'd guess that somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 80% of the GOTP's (and the right-wing media's) kneejerk antagonism toward the ACA has been purely opportunistic; after all, destroying President Obama (and by extension, the Democratic Party) has been their self-proclaimed raison d'être since Day One of his presidency.

        And I agree completely with your assessment of the right-wing talking-points underpinning their relentless campaign of ACA lies and smears. How fortuitous, in a single stroke, to be able to destroy not only this interloping, game-changing, uppity black president, but also Americans' faith in ALL forms of proactive, middle class-enhancing government!

        1. It’s very telling that GOP has quited down about the ACA, at least to some extent.  I think the problem with those who still want to get rid of it is that nobody agrees on what to do.  This may be somewhat oversimplifying things but I’d say the Republicans break down into roughly 3 groups on what to do:

          (1) There are some who accept the reality that universal healthcare or insurance coverage is only possible with a certain degree of government intervention, and these people have mostly proposed high-risk pools. High-risk pools do work but require a fairly large subsidy, otherwise you get a death-spira—in the health-economics sense of the term.

           (2) There are those who persist in the naïve belief that somehow, left to its own devices, the market will provide.  I don’t think we need to elaborate too much on why this can’t work: markets exist to make money, not to take care of people; sick people cost more money than healthy people, therefore there’s no realistic scenario where the free-market (if there is such a thing) will provide affordable, quality coverage to sick people.

          (3) There is the “I got mine, to hell with everyone else” crowd. In short these people don’t care, or otherwise feel it’s their problem if people die for lack of access to healthcare.  

          It will be interesting to see what the Republicans do with the ACA between now and 2016— do they quietly accept it or continue fighting. If the latter, they won’t get real far unless they come up with a viable alternative, which I don’t see happening anytime soon due to the differing factions described above.

          1. I don't know.  I just saw Con Man Cory waving his damn insurance cancellation letter around on one of his commercials in the past 48 hours.  

            1. He was introduced at a recent event in Wray (at the Water Conservation District offices) as a "future President of the United States".  Koch-orado isn't even big enough for his political ambitions. 

      2. More than a few? Heck, it came straight out of their own think tanks. I'd say, if anything, there are just a few who don't oppose it only because Obama decided to run with their ideas.

        1. You are correct, that the individual mandate originated in the Hertage Foundation; however, the Republican Party has moved farther to the right. The Heritage Foundation has likewise devolved  from being a think-tank that came up with conservative  ideas that actually had a chance of working in the real-world (e.g. individual mandate) to another echo-chamber–a joke to boot. 

      1. I kind of like that image. Hopefully, dwyer can still cavort with whomever she chooses. If you want to know what Elliot's doing, check out his Facebook postings.

  7. Reposting this for Thursday since I didn't get it on the Wed. thread until about 12:03 AM today.

    It's ticked over to thursday but here's a little something our trolls might find interesting:

    There are really only two possible outcomes for Democrats in this year's Senate elections. Either Republicans are going to win enough seats to take control of the chamber, or Democrats will hold on by the skin of their teeth. The first outcome is more likely, simply because of the map. Democrats are defending twenty-one seats while Republicans are only defending fifteen seats. Furthermore, many of those Democratic seats are in conservative states like West Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Montana, making it even tougher.

    So if you're a Democrat who's getting depressed by the prospect of a Republican Senate and all the loveliness that would bring, here's something that might make you feel a little better. A couple of weeks ago, I made a graph showing all this year's Democratic candidates and the tough environment many face. I decided to duplicate it for the 2016 races, as a little liberal pick-me-up.

    Here's the good news for Democrats: Even if Republicans take the Senate this year, Democrats will almost certainly take it back in 2016. There will be twenty-four Republican-held seats up that year, but only nine Democratic-held seats. Almost all those Democratic seats are in states that Obama won comfortably two years ago, and none of them are in states Mitt Romney won. So it's possible that no more than one or two Senate Democrats will face a difficult race. More important, seven of those Republican seats are in states Obama won.

    http://prospect.org/article/silver-lining-democrats-if-they-lose-senate-2014

     

    2. Before the election an article that says take heart, once we lose we have a chance to take back the Senate in a few years?

      Does not exactly exude confidences in the Dems chances.

          1. oops. Confused my DP boxes. Meant this for your comment above with link to Sam Wang. But this is more proof that what always happens is happening. It was the same story with social security and medicare. Once the benefit is added the public quickly gets used to it , comes to depend on it and the "socialist" hysteria recedes. 

      3. It says if we lose, piss ant. And, unlike you Romney in a Landslide righties, we Dems aren't in the creating our own reality business and have more sense than fence posts. As DP says, the end is not written for 2014. However it ends, the end is written for what comes after for your side. Enjoy your last hurrah. That is if you still have one coming.

    2. 43: the number of people who have died from epileptic seizures in the past 7 hours.  Between now and Labor Day yet another commercial-airliner equivalent of epileptics will die.  Of course, the utterly useless House committees could give HR 499 and/or HR 5226 a hearing, send it to the Senate – and then on to POTUS where he would no doubt sign it.  But, you , you Willfully Ignorany Fuckstick, would rather talk about what the uppity black man who just returned from vacation "isn't" doing.  You're despicable on so many levels.

    1. Hey, just thought I'd embed this video from VICE on Ferguson, MO and policing. I didn't think the video was going to start immediately or with each renewal of the page. CoPols: Certainly feel free to take it down.

    2. In the embed code for this video, there was a selector for "&autoplay=1." Changing that to "&autoplay=0" fixed it. Note for future reference.

          1. We can't rule out a causal connection until the experiment is tried a few more times. Run up the batshit signal again when things get slow around here – then we'll see. wink

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