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October 31, 2014 11:19 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Do not trust the cheering, for those persons would shout as much if you or I were going to be hanged."

–Oliver Cromwell

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  1.                               10/30              10/31

    Arapahoe               R+ 10,598     R+ 10,561

    Jefferson               R+ 11,155     R+ 11,821

    Larimer                  R+ 7,934       R+ 8,558

  2.  

    Friday PM before election Ballot Returned by Party     

                                                2010     2014

    Republican                          40.7     41.3

    Democrat                             34.6     32.2

    1. And again achole you leave out the independent voter who polls show lean heavily Democratic. Plus as you posted several weeks ago in 2010 100,000 more ballots were cast by republicans and who won? Not senator buck or governor tancredo. Pay more attention to that nasty rash. It will still be with you after the gop loses on Tuesday.

      1. Denverco,

        Your guys have lost.  

        Please spend the weekend getting out the vote.  It will be like the rest of your life, time wasted.  I set forth the facts, sans commentary, and what is the height of your ability to respond?

        A homosexual guy(you) claims a heterosexual guy(me) has a nasty rash.  

        Heard of the term projection?

        1. And who claimed to have had "relations" with the other's partner? 

          And besides, it doesn't really matter how many D's or R's are elected.  If the gop goes tea party crazy and dumps the so called 47% over the side, it will not go well for anyone. 

          The gop has to make some major policy changes or it will become irrelevant, as well as intellectually bankrupt.  Real conservatives actually understand this.  I hope they can make an impact, because we need them to, to actually, you know, run the country.      

  3. Talk about wasted life. I don't spend my time on an opposition board making jackass, false posts – that would be you – talk about projection. As for that rash – You were the jackass that proudly proclaimed that you slept with my partner – again talk about projection. You have presented not one fact accept current voting numbers on current days and then you declare the gop a winner before the final votes are in – that is generally how losers operate, because they know in the end their cause is lost.

     

     

    1. You have presented not one fact accept current voting numbers on current days and then you declare the gop a winner before the final votes are in – that is generally how losers operate, because they know in the end their cause is lost.

      This is, in my view, an astute observation. I am always amused by the Piss Ants' pathetic efforts to sway opinion and morale in the ranks of his opposition.

      Your guys have lost.

      This is the giveaway. What the fool doesn't realize is that almost everyone who posts here is smarter than "the librarian". His attempts to sway us with his silly bullshit is actually insulting in a way. But, I have been through many election cycles and we have seen many trolls come and go here. This particular little man (perhaps I can call him "Tinier" at this point) isn't even close to being one of the better trolls we have endured.

       

    1. Using yet another right-wing source to spread your lies? Kiss up to Malkin some more… you both are going to be whining a lot after the elections is over.

      1. DP, It is over.

        You lost.

        Confirmation will be Emailed to you on Tuesday evening.

        By the time Tuesday rolls around about 80% of the votes will be in and the Republicans will be up about 140,000 ballots.  The remaining 20% of the vote will not be able to move the needle enough to make any difference.

         

         

        1. AC, It is over.

          You lost.

          Confirmation will be Emailed to you on Tuesday evening.

          By the time Tuesday rolls around about 80% of the votes will be in and the Republicans will be up by only 40,000 ballots.  The remaining 20% of the vote will blast the needle past the GOP and make the difference.

           

           

          1. BT, If you are going to do that, time is a wasting.

            The batch that came in on Friday the Dems were less than 32%.

            You can't make up any ground if you get less than 1/3 on the margins.

            1. Friday is Thursday's ballot delivery. Today's number will be from Friday's ballot delivery, Tomorrow's numbers will be from today, and finally Monday will take Sunday's numbers and Tuesday's final numbers will occur at 7pm on Tuesday.

               

        2. It is *YOU* that will lose.

          You're projecting again. And it'll surprise you that some of the Republicans are /SANE/ enough and know the different between assholes and true working people.

          Gardner's an asshole, so is Beauprez, thus they offer nothing to the Republicans.

           

    1. Mitch McConnel's wife's father founded a company which owed a ship upon which drugs were found in a foreign country headed to another foreign country.

      If you don't like drug dealers, just don't vote for Mark Udall.  Drugs were found in his car while he was driving it in Arizona.  He pled guilty and forfeited the car.

      1. I don't have a problem with marijuana or selling it for that matter. In fact, knowing that Udall was victim of this insane war on drugs would make me more likely to vote for him.

        1. A member of a dynasty was a victim.

          That is rich.

          The poor minority kid who went to jail may be a victim.

          Not a self-entitled son of a Congressman.

          1. You don't really want to go there, do you WIF?

            John and Cindy McCain are now attempting to return to lives of privilege and prestige. If she gets into a diversion program and lives by its rules, she'll have no criminal record.

            Meanwhile, one volunteer doctor who wrote prescriptions at Cindy McCain's behest is under investigation. He could lose his license.

            And Tom Gosinski, the man who knew too much, is under criminal investigation, working two jobs and trying to put his life back together.

            1. The Senator on drunken brawls…

              “I think these family affairs are — I don’t know much of the details about it,” McCain said. “Things happen in people’s families and I’m not excusing it, I’m not condemning it.”

              It's just the lamestream media picking on Snowball Snooki…

              “I just know that the kind of coverage that this got, in my view, is in keeping with the kind of coverage the liberals have accorded to Sarah Palin for a number of years, which in my view, is biased and unfair and sometimes unacceptable,” McCain said.

            2. Never mind Cindy's problem.  I'd like to know what the hell John was smoking in August '08 when he came to the conclusion that the person most qualified to be a heartbeat away from a cancer-surviving septuagenarian president was Snowbank Snooki.

              1. It worked for the bush dynasty – drug addicted failure bush became President. Of course he than allowed America to be attacked, ruined the economy and started two phony wars – what a disaster and failure.

              2. Boulder deal?  It's actually the sane perspective.

                ...ala Rand Paul:

                The war on drugs is an abysmal failure and a waste of money. And we should better spend [the money] dealing with people, with their addiction problems, quit wasting all the money, sending the military to Bolivia to shoot farmers who are growing coca plants. That's just ridiculous. So I do agree with him there: Just end that war on drugs and make it a much more local situation, more community oriented…There's probably a lot of savings in that.

                Your above comment only reminds all of us on this blog what a pathetic piece-of-shit you are.  Gone are the days when politicians children are 'off limits'. 

                We have funded, to the tune of about a trillion dollars, an abysmal failure: the War on Drugs and the mass incarceration of predominantly men of color.  It is a national disgrace. 

                Instead of your useless, cherry-picked pontifications about politicians children, perhaps we can enlist you to help us end this national disgrace and start treating addiction problems as a health issue (as it should be) – and not one of a criminal nature?

              3. Many of the Republicans Congressassholes and Senators have gotten away with it.

                I name one Bug Buster, Tom DeLay, an perfect shiny example of what's wrong with Texas justice.

          2. The Boehner Christmas dinners must be a riot.  From NewsOne:

            Boehner’s Jamaican-Born Future Son-In-Law Has Rap Sheet For Weed

            Lakhan reportedly told the officer at the time that the marijuana was indeed his and for his “personal use.”

             

            For his part, Boehner has gone on record to say that he is against the legalization of marijuana irrespective of whether it is needed for medical purposes.

             

            In an interview with CNN in 2009 Boehner reportedly said, “Whether it is the American Medical Association, the American Cancer Society — all of those people, by and large don’t believe there is any medicinal value in marijuana.”

             

            Welcome to the family!!!

            1. Just put another bottle of Merlot in front of Boner at the dinner table.  He'll down it, mutter some asinine jingle ("if ands and buts were wishes and nuts, every day would be Christmas"), start to cry and fall asleep.  Then son-in-law could fire up the bong.

              Ahh, a Festivus Miracle!

      2. mitch mcconnell got his fortune from his wife's father. Will mcconnell admit how his fortune was "earned" or will he like you be a hypocrite? Looks like I touched on a nerve poor achole. Is your rash acting up causing you to not think clearly.

      3. It’s one thing for you ppl to defend Gardner who pretends he is some new kind of Repube. It’s another thing to champion the cause of Yertle the Turdle who no one would mistake as a new kind of Repube.

  4. This doesn't quit fit you right wing teabagger talking point on Obama does it achole 

    Right now, women make up almost half of our workers. More women are their family’s main breadwinner than ever before. So the simple truth is, when women succeed, America succeeds. And we should be choosing policies that benefit women – because that benefits all of us.

    President Obama focused on women in the workplace and the policies that most deeply affect them in this morning's weekly address. He laid out his support for the major issues they face, and the solutions to helping women face their challenges and succeed, including:

    • Equal pay for equal work
    • Paid family leave to care for sick family members
    • Protections for pregnant workers
    • Affordable quality child care
    • Raising the minimum wage

    He closed with a reminder that these goals are neither outrageous nor unattainable:

    All of these policies are common sense. All of them are within our reach.  We’ve just got to speak up and choose them. Because they’ll build a stronger America for all of us.

    1. Well said.  It is actually impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who so enthusiastically supports the party–the New Flat Earthists–that claims climate change is a "hoax."  

      1. It is impossible to have a rationale discussion whose mind is shut off from reality.  I don't know how old he is but some people are so selfish that if the climate change will not affect them in their lives, they don't care about the generation coming up.  Actually climate change is here now with severe changes throughout the world.  If the temperature is below normal, they just don't understand that this is a world-wide change and not just in their little area.  The biggest mistake Al Gore made was to call it global warming instead of climate change.

        1. consider this…In view of Piss Ants' prolific presence here on this site (Ever present and no doubt at the top of the "number of posts" race…), plus the fact that he is, apparently, quite busy else where, there can be only one conclusion…

          Piss Ant is a professional, hired by the Gardner campaign, AFP, or directly by Charlie and Dave. He is a provocateur, whose mission is to distribute a meme or two and generally agitate. What I cannot, for the life of me, believe, is his apparent conviction that ANYONE who reads this blog will have their behavior affected. But then, I am not the most politically astute person I know (your opening , Piss Ant), so I am often surprised and perplexed by anyone who willingly sits a gun on his foot and pulls the trigger.

          As a boy,I watched a cousin of mine do that with what he thought was an unloaded BB gun. Struck me as a silly thing to do…..

          The BB wound up about about 3/4 of an inch down into his foot…it took him a long time to recover…you know, with the infection and all…

          1. His mission is to try and discourage us. We should solder on until 7:00 PM Tuesday. I saw Mark's internal tracking poll last Tuesday evening and he was up by 1 point on Gardner which confirms the public polls that either he or Gardner is leading by 1 point. I have no idea who those turning out have voted for but all things being equal, the senate race is going down to the wire. The more we work for victory the more certain it is we will achieve it.

            1. I think intellectual curiosity and willful ignorance are sort of antithetical to each other. The suspension of disbelief requires acceptance of that willful ignorance.

        2. but some people are so selfish that if the climate change will not affect them in their lives, they don't care about the generation coming up 

          But enough about Dick Cheney

    1. Republicans' plans to make this election all about "Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare" have been forced to drop the "care" part…it's just "Obama, Obama, Obama"….

      A word about polls…

      With the continuing increase in the use of early and mail-in balloting, any prognostications based on results from years past is questionable. How crazy is it to say, here in Colorado for instance, "well, we've never done this all mail-in balloting before…and then 5 minutes later say, "based on previous years, here is what we predict"?

      The only thing for sure is anyone who predicts these races is very likely to be wrong…I listened to Sam Wang stress this point on the tube yesterday. The polls are not to be trusted…

       

       

      1. Especially when they call my landline 12 times and my cell phone zero.  How many young people have landlines?  Missed a lot of them in the polls, I'm sure.  How many polls that I got called on had a Spanish option for easy replies?  Zero.  So they missed a bunch of people who didn't want to try to figure out Press One if you are thoroughly pleased, Two if only partly pleased, etc.  And how many times did my husband refuse to pick up the phone when it was probably another poll because he's cantankerous?  If these polls are random, why call me so often?  Worthless information.

        But remember, O resident from under the smelly bridge, the only numbers that count are the final ones after the votes are tallied. 

        I've always thought AC and Moddy and the Gopher were paid shills, but why this site?

         

        1. " . . . cantankerous"?  Maybe.  Of sound mind? Undoubtedly.

          In this wonderful era of caller ID and voicemail, there is simply no good reason to ever answer the telephone if you don't recognize the caller. 

        2. Don't think modster is a paid shill. Just a brainwashed, none too bright kid. I think the reason Piss Ant keeps pushing the "resistance is futile" message is because this is a widely read blog with mainly Dem and Dem leaning participant and who knows how many who read but don't participate. Those are the targets, not us. He knows he's not changing any of our hearts and minds.

          But the right's whole thing is suppressing the Dem vote so, along with nationwide efforts to pass voter ID laws, moves to eliminate and shorten the time frame of early voting opportunities, especially on evenings and weekends, spread misinformation about times, places, requirements and possible negative consequences of voting, they want to discourage late Dem voting as much as possible. That's where Piss Ant's non-stop activity on this blog comes in.

          He's not trying to convince his sparring partners here to change our minds and vote R.  He's been hoping to convince as many as possible potential Dem voters who might be checking this blog that it's all over so there's no reason to bother to get that ballot in or show up at a voting center. He's been trying to convince those who volunteer for GOTV that they may as well quit. That's why his only message since the ballots were mailed out has been …. forget it. You've already lost. We may but we haven't yet and we're not quitting, right?

          Maybe. Maybe not. 

          1. Agreed he is not a paid shill. Older than you think, however. in my opinion, typical authoritarian world view or frame. I think he posts for the same reason I do, to See my name in Lights!. ( Harvard study on why peeps post). I have certain socially regimented filters, though. And diff frames. 

             I would rather see conservative banger grilled for a few rounds. ( some of you were ready to "get a room" recently LOL). Gail Collins & David Brooks do a back & forth column  occasionally, for NYT. Edmond Burke came up ( Conservative thought) Reason? With Rs continually mired in angst over identity, branding, their 1st predictable move is for a litmus test of purest conservative values in selecting either a Pez candidate, or standard bearer.

            Hey, CHB, justify the voter suppression teachings of Paul Wyrick, co founder of ALEC & modern conservative thought.

            The one certainty I see in todays world is the lightning fast change. Last people to be put In charge are those with a clear view of  past  ages, with no vision of the future. With unrest world wide due  rapid shifts of capital & labor opportunities, it will take more than lip service, or Luntz buzz words about social safety nets to quell mass demonstrations over jobs, food security & affordable housing. That is when automation comes to town, regards to you CHB.

            ( I changed my avatar to " fingers",  a true "heavy metal robotic guitarist with Compressor Head", 600lbs. who can play note for note AC/DC.)  

             .

            1. "Hey CHB. Justify the voter suppression teachings of Paul Wyrick….."  Really?  The guy was a far right wing religious zealot. End of discussion.

              1. "far right wing religious zealot"(ry)- sounds like core constituency of thee Republican party, without which the conservative movement is like a ship w/o a port. Diminishing the role of labor is passe`

                far right wing religious zealot

    2. All the Republican predictions about Obamacare have faded into the dust bin of history. Healthcare costs was increasing at around 15% each year. Under Obamacare its 4%. A 75% decrease.

      Medicare is stronger than its been in decades thanks again to Obamacare.

      No one would sign-up. Of course that argument (and prophecy from the right-wing) failed too. Millions signed-up.

      And why did it work? Because the government utilized the free market to drive the system. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare are here to stay and thank you to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson and Barack Obama foa all of this.

      Bottom line: The government, yes the federal government, does work and accomplishes many things for the benefit of us all.

    1. Rs can always say they haven't had the Senate majority with an R President to prove their polices work. Well, they have Kansas where they've had the freedom to put it all into practice and it's a disaster. Dems all over the country should be pointing to the complete and utter failure in Kansas of all the policies R pols push at the federal, state and local level.

      The Dem message should be you don't have to choose between good social policy from us and good economic policy from the Republican Daddy party because their economic policies are just as bad as their social policies. You get better social policy and more successful economic policy, from Dems, not from conservative Rs.

      The easiest to understand example? Contrast Kansas' next door neighbor, Colorado, with Kansas. Mirror images, one with a Dem Guv and legislative majority and great economic success compared to most of the country and the other with pure Tea Party policy put into place by the super right Republican Guv and R legislative majority heading toward total economic collapse. Case closed.

      Why haven't  Dem candidates been using this gift handed to them on a silver platter? Still afraid of sounding too "socialist"? One thing I wish Dems pols would learn from Rs… to take as much pride in being Dems and supporting Dem policy as Rs take in being R and supporting theirs.

      1. Second BC's question.Why don't Dems tout our successes? Why do we NOT tout that our policies are better for the economy?

        Social issues (gay marriage, access to reproductive choices, health care coverage) are economic issues first and foremost.

        1. Dems can't seem to get get the party base past the stigma that being pro-business is bad.  If I was a Dem I would be running on a business platform where I emphasized government efficiency and enhancing revenue collection by broadening the tax base while simplifying the tax code- I'd take the residual pro-business interest left in the GOP and give it a new home.  There's plenty of Rockefeller/Roosevelt Republicans out there who could be brought into the Dem camp.

          Hell, I'd be slamming the ineptitude of asinine ideas such as Gardner's idea of using increased O&G production on federal lands to pay for increased transportation funding.  Federal royalty collections only amount to about $15B or so annually while the gap between gas tax revenues and transit project funding is about $15B-$20B.  Unless the feds were to drastically increase the royally rate, there's no economically feasible O&G production rate that would close the gap.  Or there's Beauprez's proposal to use CDOT O&M funding as a payment stream for a new round of transportation bonding.  Using funding that's already inadequate to address current O&M needs to increase the amount of O&M funding that's necessary to maintain a transportation system is not pro-business, unless you're planning to run a company into the ground or prepare it for a sale.

           

          This is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest and the kind of irrational fiscal policy corner that the GOP has painted itself into by beholdening itself to interests that are not interested in pro-business governance but rather the destruction of the federal government in its current form

           

           

          1. "ineptitude of asinine ideas like Gardner's idea of using increased O & G production on federal lands………."  Actually it's a poor job of staff research. Where will that increase in O & G production come from? According to an Oct. 20, 2014 report in the Durango Herald, 94% of BLM land in Colorado has already been leased. West wide, 36 million acres of BLM land have been leased. But only 12.5 million acres actually are in production. Industry is sitting on 23.5 million acres in leases; which is an enhancement to their balance sheets. The question that Gardner should have been asked is: how will he get industry to get off its collective rear and get those other acres into production? If industry won't do it, then it won't happen.  

            Of course, if the Udall campaign wasn't spending the bulk of its time on womens' issues……….      C.H.B.

            1. I just saw a Udall commercial about energy policy.  And he did run a few spots about his work standing up to Obama on government surveillance.  Might have been nice if he could have mixed those in with the reproductive rights commercials earlier in the campaign.

        2. MJ, You have touted what you consider to be your successes.

          The public does not share your appraisal of them.

          The stimulus?  Most people think it stimulated your bundlers pockets.

          Health care reform?  Not so popular.

          Building a website?  Not exactly awe inspiring.

          Al Qaeda on the run?  They have formed their own state.

          The Dem echo machine congratulates itself on its achievements, but most of the public is not as impressed.  It is not a question of messaging.  It is a question of competence.

          1. "Al Qaeda on the run?  They have formed their own state."

            That's incorrect.  ISIS is not Al Qaeda, ISIS is the evolution of JTJ that was originally established by al-Zarqawi in the 1990's and morphed into AQI, which was loosely affiliated with Al Qaeda, but cannot be considered Al Qaeda as it maintained operational independence.  It almost died off as a movement in post-surge Iraq, but survived by merging with several other groups and eventually morphing into ISIS.  ISIS' main core leadership does come from a core group of former Ba'ath Party that were marginalized in the the 2003 invasion government and eventually imprisoned and tortured.  One could argue that ISIS' germination was in the post-2003 decisions of the Bush Administration on how to rebuild Iraq and the choice to a) disband the Iraqi Army and b) prohibit senior Ba'ath members from participating in the new government.

            But why be factually correct when it really matters such as national security where one should actually know whom they are fighting?

            1. ISIS used to be Al Qaeda in Iraq, after they were JTJ, so, for once, this A.C. person is in possession of one percent of the facts. But you're right, ISIS isn't the same organization as the Al Qaeda of Bin Laden. 

              No need to argue that the Bush administration's policies created ISIS. They don't even deny that disbanding the Iraqi Army and letting them take home their weapons created the insurgency.

  5. Ruinous is right. A ten-year-old would understand that if you need to spend money (like, say, on pointless wars), then you need to have money coming in. Only a halfwit would cut taxes while engaging in a war that will cost six trillion dollars.

     

     

    1. In fact, I think any Repug candidate should be required to explain how the war in Iraq is going to be paid for. They criticize their opponents for raising taxes, so how will the war be paid for? 

      I mean, without endangering the livelihoods of the 55.5 million people in this country who get Social Security. If the war is to protect Americans (it isn't, but never mind that), then so is Social Security. So how will the war be paid for?

      If you can't tell American citizens how this war will be paid for, you don't belong in office. 

      Gardner? Coffman? Buck? Andrew Carnegie? Anyone? 

       

  6. It is with dismay to hear the numbers of people NOT voting, 250K in KY (due to previous convictions), 60% of eligible voters in midterms, 80% of working class.not voting. The last # i may have not heard correctly,from Bernie Sanders ( this week's Bill Moyers interview) Still, I wouldn't be surprised, considering the loss of jobs among white, male, blue collar workers, who will bias ( in double digits)  towards R's this election. Where are the jobs? or at least, an economic plan to restore what was taken via globalization?

    Other numbers, Walton family worth greater than bottom 40% of US.  Highest Senate race expenditure 106 mil GA? I agree with Bernie, this is a dark period in our history.

  7. Lots of people vote against their own interests. They'll vote for the very political party that put them out of office because they think the one in power is responsible for actions in the past. 

    Kind of like Reagan taking credit for the fall of the Soviet Union. 

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