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October 05, 2015 06:59 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“We all know what Parliament is, and we are all ashamed of it.”

–Robert Louis Stevenson

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  1. What must the grownups of the civilized world think of us provincial buffoons now? American exceptionalism, just the worst possible kind. What's next? Back to burning witches?

    A Tennessee county plans to take up a resolution begging God for mercy and asking that the deity not smite their community "like Sodom and Gomorrah" because of the Supreme Court's ruling legalizing gay marriage. 

    The "resolution condemning judicial tyranny and petitioning God’s mercy" was written by Blount County commissioner Karen Miller and will come up for consideration at Tuesday night's meeting.  

    Miller's resolution claims the "so help me God" part of the oath taken by lawmakers means they are committed not only to upholding the U.S. Constitution but also "higher Natural Law."

    As such, the resolution calls on lawmakers throughout the state "to protect Natural Marriage, from lawless court opinions, AND THE financial schemes of the enemies of righteousness wherever the source AND defend the Moral Standards of Tennessee."

    It continues: 

    "WE adopt this Resolution before God that He pass us by in His Coming Wrath and not destroy our County as He did Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring cities. As the Passover Lamb was a means of salvation to the ancient Children of Israel, so we stand upon the safety of the Lamb of God to save us.

     

    WE adopt this Resolution begging His favor in light of the fact that we have been forced to comply and recognize that the State of Tennessee, like so many other God-fearing States, MAY have fallen prey to a lawless judiciary in legalizing what God and the Bible expressly forbids." 

    1. Geezuz.  Hey, you pathetic bigots – perhaps you'd be interested in the real reason Sodom and Gomorrah was smited? 

      It is a story about wantonness and dominance over others, about radical inhospitality (a grievous sin according the the bible we share), about malignant power used to reject God’s shalom.

      In fact, the Bible itself expressly describes the sin of Sodom elsewhere as radical inhospitality. Check-it, good ole  Ezekiel claims the real “guilt” of the Sodomites was the fact that, although they had “pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease,” they “did not aid the poor and needy” and were “haughty” (Ezekiel 16:49-50). Even your main man Paul in a little note he scribbled out to the Hebrews warns Christians by alluding to the true sin of the Sodomites as inhospitality: “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it” (Hebrews 13:2).

      Never mind the little part about the story of S & G where a father offers up his virgin daughters to be raped as a consolation prize.  Yeah, thanks dad.

      1. Like the Taliban, these folks hate religious freedom. Unlike the Taliban they live under a constitution that demands it and achieves it by barring government from interfering in religious matters by endorsing any of them. While some of our oaths have come to include "so help me God" that phrase must always be optional. There can be no religious test for office which means no one can be compelled to profess a belief in God, though Miller cites the "so help me God" part of the oath in Tennessee as proof that officials are sworn not just to uphold the constitution but also "natural" law, their formula for what they believe to be God's law. The fact is that if you are elected to any office in Tennessee or anywhere else in the United States you can leave that out and nobody can prevent you from taking office for doing so or for declining to swear on a bible.

        The concept that neither the United States of America nor the states of which its composed can be officially Christian or officially require a belief in God no matter how large the Christian majority may be is very hard for these people to accept. So hard that they create fictions about what the constitution really says, some going so far as to claim it came from God rather than from mortals imbued with the humanist, rationalist ideals of the Enlightenment.  

        They only oppose Sharia law because it's the wrong flavor. It's biblical law they think they want to impose though they'd soon find it pays to be careful what you wish for. The death penalty for adultery alone would decimate the bible belt in short order, just for starters.

         

        1. If you want to look to where the highest rates of porn consumption occur, you have to look no further than The Porn Bible Belt.  

          The Bible Belt is the Porn Belt. According to a new study, the more you say you literally believe in the Bible, the more you watch porn. 

  2. Michael, even the story of Lot offering his daughters is designed to underscore the ferocious command for hospitality.  Otherwise, the would-be rapists were going to molest his guests, a violation of God's law that had to be avoided at any cost.   

    1. I have a hunch if we wanted to uncover violations of God's law (the literal kind, just to keep in step with their resolution) in today's Blount County we'd find no shortage of such acts.

    2. That's the thing about the Bible. It's so ancient and weird, nobody who says they obey the Bible to the letter really does. Even within the Old Testament, before you even get to the New, older parts are contradicted by newer parts. Alternative narratives and mutually contradictory laws abound because it's so obviously a mish mash of bits and pieces written by different people at different times. And outside of full time biblical scholars, most of us, including most on the extreme Christian right, have only a very cursory knowledge of what's in it and that only through the lens of several rounds of translation. Pretty silly to even pretend they'd really want all this stuff to be the law of the land. 

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