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November 11, 2015 07:49 AM UTC

Veterans Day Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it.”

–John F. Kennedy

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34 thoughts on “Veterans Day Open Thread

  1. Did anyone besides me think it odd that NPR (yeah, I know BC) saw fit to give Marco a platform this morning to lay out (his "3 point plan") and discuss immigration because "he didn't get to last night"??

    Really..? I wonder who made that call?

    1. Haven't turned on the radio yet but yes. Rubio had his oportunities last night. On the other hand I'm sure other candidates, Dems and Rs, will be given plenty of opportunities to air their views going forward on NPR.

      So you're still listening.wink

  2. I didn't watch last night but did read the NY Times recap this morning. Apparently Rafael Cruz had a brain fart (like Rick Perry 4 years ago…..there must be a Texas connection) and could not remember the 5 major federal agencies he would abolish if elected. Obviously he got the IRS in his list, but he cited the Dept. of Commerce twice. 

    1. 4, 5, 11ty-7, doesn't matter … 

      (… wasn't it one of the Bushes, Barbie or George W, who said, "Math is hard!"???   We're told you gotta' admire those talking GOPheads who always, always stay "on message.")

      It was a Republican debate, held by the FOX Ministry of Knowledge, where 1+ 1 always equals "tax cuts" or "border fence" or "drill baby drill".  Can I get an "Amen"?

    2. Watched recaps and clips on the after shows. Cruz was Cruz, good at sounding coherent to righties regardless of a stumble. It’s Carson who contuinues to stun.

      We already know that Carson's supporters don't mind the pathological stabbing and threatening of one's mother with a hammer, the encouraging of a gunman to target somebody else instead of oneself, or the wacky theories about pretty much everything.  After this debate how about his complete deer in the headlights incoherence in answering all questions about things like national security and the economy? Pretty sure it won't bother his supporters at all.

      Just who are these people supporting Carson and what the hell is wrong with them?

      1. They are the ones who are mad as hell at the establishment Republicans for not impeaching Obama and didn't get diddly from their 50+ attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act except continued health care coverage which they use but hate.  They are pinning their hopes that a pathological liar will deliver that little pony to them wrapped up in a bow.

          1. Must be. For instance take when Trump says  that when he's President we'll all say Merry Christmas again. We already can say Merry Christmas as much as we want to as private individualsand it's as individuals we hold our rights, not as members of this or that group.

            Neither the  government as a whole nor the President could force Starbucks to create a Christmas cup with traditional Christmas symbols or ban them from creating one. It's called freedom, not War on Christmas. 

            This is just one small and silly example of the powers these people delude themselve's that a President has. If Macy's wants employees to say Happy Holidays to its customers in its stores, that's Macy's right. There is no law forcing them to do so. it's a business decision. 

            Those same employees can wish all their friends, relatives and strangers on the street a Merry Christmas on their way home to houses decked out with a blinding display of explicitly Christian Christmas decorations and messages including a manger with giant figures of the baby Jesus and all his pals in their front yard with strobe lights if they want to. 

            If there's a war on Christmas, judging from the fact that no other country on earth starts celebrating it earlier with more glitz and promotion over a longer period of time and it's the only religious holiday on which the entire government shuts down (though it wasn't in our early history) it sure seems like Christmas has beaten the crap out of the anti forces. In any case, it’s not something over which any President can have a say.

            1. BTW Christmas wasn't a federal holiday until 1870. The first state to recognize it ws Alabama in 1836, the last was Oklahoma in 1907. It didn't become a big deal for most until after1850. The Puritans outlawed it. So there has been an ongoing conquering by the forces of Christmas throughout our history, not other way around.

              It may not be constitutional for the federal government to recoginze this religious holiday but the anti-forces largely surrendered long ago. As any Jewish boomer who sang Christmas songs at the school Chrisrmas concert or walked by the creche at the local PO can tell you… resistance is futile. The antis never had a chance. But even if Trump gets elected I'm going to wish people Happy Holidays, not Merry Christmas and President Trump won't be able to do a damn thing about it.

              http://www.fightingpatriot.com/christmas%20history%20in%20america.html

              http://www.historytoday.com/penne-restad/christmas-19th-century-america

               

            2. The "war on Christmas" exists primarily in the deluded minds of the leadership of the religious right, for their never ending jihad to impose fundamentalist Christianity on the entire country, and all that entails. And it sounds good for their base to know that their leadership is always fighting for whatever is "good and holy."  

              1. And every single one of your choices for Republican presidential nominee, or any other office up for election in 2016, will continue to pander to them every chance they get. 

            3. I think they'd get in trouble for the strobe lights.  Everything else, not so much. 

              When we moved home a long time ago, the next door neighbor came over and said how thankful he was some more Jewish people had moved into the neighborhood.  I told him we're not Jewish, we're just too lazy to put up Christmas lights.  He said it didn't matter as long as his house wasn't the only one not lit up for the holidays.

              1. I have no objection to either Christmas decorations or being the only house not decorated. I also don't mind having people wish me a Merry Christmas as they're just being nice, it's not like I'm wearing a Star of David arm band and the Christmas spirit of wishing strangers well is lovely. 

                I realize that the overwhelming majority, whether religious or not, come from a Christian background and insisting that the constitution be honored strictly in the matter of no government endorsement of religion where Christmas celebrating is concerned isn't high on my priority list. Like I said, resistance is futile. I just find it ridiculous that main stream Christian culture Americans could possibly believe they have a thing to complain about in terms of their freedom to celebrate Christmas.

                And I don't see them protesting all the pagan symbols and practices that are, by far, the largest element of public American Christmas celebrations. In fact, they point to them as secular Christmas symbols, an oxymoron if ever I heard one.

                They want to have their cake and eat it too claiming that they want to put Christ back into Christmas on the one hand and on the other claiming there's such a thing as secular Christmas when making arguments for public tax payer funded schools to have Christmas programs and government buildings to have Christmas displays. So which is it? Depends on what they want to have their way about in any given Christmas situation.

                What a bunch of cry baby hypocrites. Happy Holidays.

            4. Speaking of which King Soopers has Starbuck's whole bean coffee on sale this week so I stocked up on it. I did so because of the price but the attacks on Starbuck's wasn't far behind in my mind.

              1. I made sure I stopped in and got a red cup today. I'm with you, Howard.

                I routinely brew it at home, but, you know…it tastes a little better in that cup…

                  1. Haven't clicked on the link. Just enjoying the idea of Bristol thinking libruls are necessary for making her flavor of good Christian people look stupid. Obviously they couldn't possibly be doing that all by themselves.

              2. OK so if they had  a snow man on the cup that would be OK? And how is a snow man more Christian than the regular Starbucks logo? And don't these people have anything more important to worry about  ths time of year like, I don't know, feeding the hungry and otherJesusy stuff?

                1. No, no, no, taking the reindeer off of the cups shows that Starbucks hates baby Jesus, because everybody knows he rode on a reindeer.  They just called it an ass in the Bible to confuse non-Christians.

                2. And don't these people have anything more important to worry about  ths time of year like, I don't know, feeding the hungry and otherJesusy stuff? 

                  Bingo! I can't believe the amount of attention this crap is receiving.

  3. A cynical but sadly true take on Trump's appeal to a relatively large segment of GOP voters:

    The decision by huge masses of Republican voters to defy D.C.-thinkfluencer types like George Will and throw in with a carnival act like Trump is no small thing. For the first time in a generation, Republican voters are taking their destiny into their own hands.

    In the elaborate con that is American electoral politics, the Republican voter has long been the easiest mark in the game, the biggest dope in the room. Everyone inside the Beltway knows this. The Republican voters themselves are the only ones who never saw it.

    Elections are about a lot of things, but at the highest level, they're about money. The people who sponsor election campaigns, who pay the hundreds of millions of dollars to fund the candidates' charter jets and TV ads and 25-piece marching bands, those people have concrete needs.

    They want tax breaks, federal contracts, regulatory relief, cheap financing, free security for shipping lanes, antitrust waivers and dozens of other things.

    They mostly don't care about abortion or gay marriage or school vouchers or any of the social issues the rest of us spend our time arguing about. It's about money for them, and as far as that goes, the CEO class has had a brilliantly winning electoral strategy for a generation.

    They donate heavily to both parties, essentially hiring two different sets of politicians to market their needs to the population. The Republicans give them everything that they want, while the Democrats only give them mostly everything.

     http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-is-now-officially-the-party-of-dumb-white-people-20150904#ixzz3rDdPElEn 

  4. Hopefully none of y’all will throw your computer through a window when you click through, but, Utah man, well, I don't know.

    Utah judge orders baby taken away from married lesbian foster parents

    Sumner, from the child welfare agency, said she could not speak to specifics of the case but confirmed that the couple’s account of the ruling was accurate — the judge’s decision was based on the couple being lesbians. The agency was not aware of any other issues with their performance as foster parents.

  5. Our local coffee shop has always offered a discount to those bringing their own cup. I never did. The Starbucks kerfuffle prompted me yesterday to purchase a $25 mug. I have been using a disposable at rate of about 1/day and now I won't. By mid February the discount will pay for my new mug which is silver. Silver, Satan, Santa and sex all start with 'S'. Xmas ends with 'S'.

     

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