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November 26, 2015 01:37 AM UTC

Thanksgiving Weekend Open Thread

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  1. Good Morning, Polsters. Happy Thanksgiving to one and all. As is traditional, I have been trying to focus on the things for which I am thankful.

    I am grateful that Alva stays up until 1:37 AM to post the open thread and find a very thought provoking painting to share with us.

    I am grateful for all the usual stuff. Life is good to me, not without warts, of course, but when my thoughts turn to the incredible suffering and tragedy around me, I can only feel blessed (or very lucky, for my atheist friends) to be where I am.

    I am grateful we have Papa Frank at a time like this. At a time when the evil of the "love of money" is ascendant in the world, he is, perhaps, the most important defender of the earth and its people we have seen in generations.

    I am thankful for the indomitable human spirit that will never be still until it can be free. I am grateful there is still honor and love and kindness in the world..

    I am thankful for you…all you people, all you Polsters out there who have welcomed me into your intellectual community for nearly 11 years now. Thanks..I love you all.

    Duke

    1. Happy Thanksgiving, Duke and everyone,

      I am enjoying a drama-free morning cooking and working on a puzzle with my son and his wife. Later on, I'm sure the day will hold plenty of drama as I break bread with my ex-hubs and daughter.

      I'm thankful for all of my surviving family, for being a survivor myself, for all of the laughter and good smells and the petty spats of the holiday. And yes, also for this board with its (relative) sanity and willingness to confront the difficult issues of our time.

  2. Howard Dean is thankful that The Donald is laying out the Republican agenda in plain, simple, and crude terms that everyone can understand:

    Chris Hayes: “what do you make of all this?

    Howard Dean: “I make two things of this, 1) republicans are now in full terror mode that Trump is going to get the nomination, they think he can’t win, and 2) this is very interesting watching all these people, that are authoritarians themselves, call Donald Trump a fascist, The republican party is an authoritarian party. If you believe..”

    Chris Hayes: ..”well let me just say, they would argue that we’re [they’re]  the opposite; that they believe in limited government and strict restrictions on what the government can do..” 

    Dean: “Well they do and they don’t. They also believe in restricting the right to vote, and any party which, as a party, and this one is a party that has done this, which restricts the right to vote, is a party that places their own authority above the authority of the people and above the value of democracy. So I’ve never thought ..”

    Hayes: “So you’re saying that efforts by republicans particularly at the state level to restrict the franchise, voter ID, all sorts of things, show a kind of anti-democratic impulse in the modern republican party”

     

    Dean: “Absolutely. And it’s not only that, we're talking about taking away people's rights. What about the republican party taking  away women's right to decide their own reproductive future.

     “This is a party that has a strong authoritarian bent. It has for a very long time. And claiming that Donald Trump is a fascist?…”

    Hayes: "…But there is a difference. There is a difference between ah, peoples position, say, on abortion , right, and the ah the idea of Muslims registering on some special database..”       

    Dean: “Okay, so their view is it's okay to take away peoples rights to vote if they happen to be poor or black or elderly, but it's not okay to put people on a registration.. look I don’t think either one is okay..we’re talking about grades of authoritarianism here.”

    Dean: “The other thing is, we also know that the republicans have been dog-whistling stuff for a long time..Look at Romney saying I'll veto the Dream Act if it gets to my desk"

    […]

    Dean: “the [republican] policy positions are dog-whistling to the same people who are enthusiastic about Donald Trump. That’s the point I’m trying to make. And what’s happening is, the quote un-quote respectable wing of the republicans party has now seen the naked results of what happens when somebody lays it all out there’’

    Hayes: “So you’re case is that what was essentially done is by nudge & wink..and dog-whistle..”

    Dean: “Exactly. That’s exactly right. Trump is hanging it all out there and it’s scaring the living Hell out of the republicans, because the republicans knew that their view was never going to be successful anyway in front of a general electorate. And it hasn’t for quite some time.

    “What they're now afraid of;..here's a guy, out there just laying it all out. Laying their case [agenda] out in a language that everybody can understand, and they're not going to like that, and they don’t like it and they’re scared to death of Donald Trump.”

    HoDo still makes more sense, and has more political savvy, than most.

    1. The scary part for the establishment GOP is only half that Trump has so much support. The worst part is, most of the rest of the party's candidates – and the other ones with the most support – have opened up with some variation of what Trump is spouting. Carson and Cruz are no better – just a bit less willing to "go there". Rubio is starting to follow. Graham is more of a statesman about it, but he's just as nuts about it. Jindal was, too. Carly – yep.

      And if you think this is limited to registering Muslims, think back a bit on how many states have talked about abortion registries in a way that exposes women's identities to the anti-choice camp.

      Our country, when it comes down to it, is more authoritarian than we want to admit. We monitor peace activists (often more strongly than we monitor those who seek to harm the country); we flirt with gun owner registration; we over-police, and police the wrong things; we don't want protest speech anywhere near events of significance. Generally, Americans are paranoid people with control issues. Republicans feed in to that – except on guns. Democrats notsomuch, though we're by no means perfect or even IMHO "good" – the lesser of two evils that we are not likely to banish in our lifetimes.

  3. I hadn't thought of Trump that way before, Zap, but Dean's right. He's really pulling back the curtain and saying things that are Republican p.i. If the 11th Commandment is “Never speak ill of a fellow Republican.”' then is the 12th "Never speak the whole truth about what we think and believe;

    1. Ted Cruz is just as authoritarian in his approach to issues as Trump. Check out Cruz's views on womens' reproductive rights. And Cruz tracks closely with his father on fundamentalist Christian advocacy. He's a likely role model for Tim Neville.

  4. Not totally surprising…expect the big money to pile on now,,,

    Aldous Huxley had it right…I look for the 22,400 repetitions to begin soon….the battle is now fully engaged…expect carnage

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