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May 10, 2016 06:37 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.”

–Hunter S. Thompson

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33 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. GOP PUMA update for 5/10/16…..

    According to today's NY Times, Mark Holden, the keeper of some of the Koch political funds, said that Herr Drumpf would have to change his tactics and message in order to be the beneficiary of Koch $$$.

    Meanwhile, the Donald wants the Grand Old Party to pony up $1.5 billion because he refuses to self-finance the general election campaign. It just occurred to everyone that since the Donald self-financed the primary campaign, he has no experience begging for $$$ from donors.

    And in response to threats to remove Paul Ryan as convention chair, Ryan basically called Drumpf's bluff and offered to step aside if Drumpf insisted on it.

    Drumpf distanced himself from Sarah Palin's threat to support a primary challenger to Ryan, calling Caribou Barbie a "free agent."

    And finally, Tiny Shiny Boots has taken himself out of the VEEP-stakes. I'll bet that's a big relief to Jan "Otis" Brewer.

  2. LOL.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-the-conservative-hope-1462833870
    Hillary: The Conservative Hope
    "The best hope for what’s left of a serious conservative movement in America is the election in November of a Democratic president, held in check by a Republican Congress. Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations—think Carter, then Reagan. What isn’t survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation."

      1. She is the Democratic nominee, having earned more than three million votes from Democrats than he did.

        He is the man Donald Trump is now urging to form a third party to ensure election of the Republican Party that actually is.

        Although he has not been a Democrat for very long, he is too smart to support Fascism with Tiny Hands.

        Like so many couples before them, She and He will reconcile their differences and work together for an America without walls, without mass deportations and where liberty and justice for all is not an empty promise.

      2. JD, You're…

        Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

  3. When the US hedge fund bubble bursts, and that unregulated house of cards comes tumbling down, after all the economic destruction and havoc wrought to millions, guess who won't be stuck with any of the bill or costs?

    Hint:  Think people who look like these 25 guys …

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/business/dealbook/hedge-fund-manager-compensation.html?

    Bonus question: Guess who’ll have the most political influence on legislation and candidates in 2016?

  4. Oil and gas folks are hopelessly burdened by taxes.  Fortunately, they've found a way to get some back.

    Oil And Gas Tax Credit Ruling Could Leave State Scrambling For $100 Million

    Colorado lawmakers are scrambling after learning the state potentially owes oil and gas companies about $100 million.  The state Supreme Court ruled two weeks ago that Colorado has been incorrectly applying a tax credit that allows the companies to write off the cost of transportation, manufacturing, and processing.

    Thank God we have these tax credits in place to help this important, but struggling, industry stay profitable!

    These companies are entitled under the ruling to deduct the cost of capital.  What's that you ask?  It's pretty straightforward.  They can deduct an amount that represents what they could have made with money they spent building up their infrastructure, if they had decided to spend it differently (see section C of the opinion).  Fuck opportunity costs, folks, choices only have consequences for people people, not corporate people.  Invisible hand, bitches!

     

     

  5. West Virginia expected to feel the bern tonight…..

    After Sanders promised to protect coal industry jobs from HRC and her (and Obama's) war on coal, he's expecting an easy win today.

    Can anyone think of a state more in need of free stuff than WestVirginia?

    1. As usual, Frankly, you have it all wrong. What Sanders said, as quoted in NY Times:

      On Thursday, Mr. Sanders promised to fight to make sure communities that lose jobs because of his environmental policies would get help rebuilding their employment base….. “In my view, we have got to invest $41 billion rebuilding coal mining communities and making sure that Americans in McDowell County and all over this country receive the job training they need for the clean energy jobs of the future.”

      Which is a far cry from "protecting coal industry jobs", as you claimed. What Sanders is talking about is retraining and retooling. Which you would know if you had read and cited an actual source.

      1. Of course, Hillary has made similar pledges which, as usual, are more practical and specific than Bernie's.  But Bernie will win, as Washington Post notes today, because he is the favorite of so-called Reagan Democrats.   They will vote Republican in November but are still registered   Democrat and take our their frustrations on the party leadership, which is Hillary.  Such eddies are interesting but meaningless.  Hillary will clinch the nomination in California, and add to her margin in New Jersey the same day.  The AFC championship is over, and Hillary won.   Nobody cares that Bernie will win the pro bowl.  All eyes are on the Super Bowl where Hillary Clinton's Knights of Brooklyn,  Von Miller's African-American Legion,  and their elf allies face Donald Trump's orc army.   And those Elvish archers are very, very, good.

      2. This is the economy Drumpf is trying to preserve and protect? Doesn't everyone want an economy like this?  Coal is dead; blame market forces (cheap natural gas and renewables at parity) – not O'Bummer or Hillary. 

        1. Agreed…..the War on Coal should be prosecuted more vigorously. These people see this as a way of life worthy of preservation. I say take no prisoners in the War on Coal.

           

          1. We don't pull our plows (hell, we don't even plow these days) with horses anymore – and we won't build a 21st-century burning dinosaur dung. 

        2. The paradoxx is that coal and natural gas were floored by the same source–Fracking.  Cheap natural gas killed dirty, expensive coal. But huge supplies of natural gas tanked the market for it as well.  Oil and gas industry should start funding anti-fracking groups to raise gas prices.  Economics makes strange bedfellows.

           

      3. Mama, you're even more bitter and grumpy than usual. You should be in a better mood…..you're boy is going to win tonight and next week in Kentucky. Cheer up!  smiley

        1. Mama's okay, Frank.  She knows that West Virginia and Kentucky are the last rays of sunshine before Hillary's feminist Army wraps it up in California and New Jersey.   By the way, Washington Post published a study today that Bernie's proposed spending, minus his new taxes, would add $21 trillion (yes, the T word) to the deficit in the next ten years.   It turns out that Free Stuff is really expensive.

          1. When it comes to math, who you gonna believe:  that corporatist rag which is shilling for HRC, or the spokesman for the oppressed masses? Besides, we'll get the $21 trillion from the Wall Street crooks.

            1. I think I'll decline to wholeheartedly take the word of either. It’s not like economists have been batting a thousand, ever, and It’s not like Bernie’s big on dotting “i”s and crossing “t”s in his plans.

              1. It's pretty simple math and has beenreplicated severL times. BC. Bernie's tax increases fall $21 billion short of paying for his spending increases over ten years and would raise our total debt to $21 trillion,.  I can't link from my Fire.

        2. Frankly, if you had to teach my 5th period class, you'd be bitter and grumpy, too. frown But I notice you don't dispute the facts I raised regarding what Sanders actually said- nor do you admit that  your claims about what he said were not accurate.

           

           

          1. Bernie is serious about sending 60-year old coal miners back to school to learn what, information technology? After working coal mines for how many decades? Tuition-free right?

            He's preying on these people, their insecurities and their unrealistic dreams that their jobs can be protected. To paraphrase Zappatero (who used the term in a different context), it's time for a reality check.

            Voyageur is right. These folks are voting for Bernie because they Reagan Democrats – they voted for HRC 8 years ago because she was white, they're voting for Bernie because HRC is associated with Obama and his War on Coal. (A war I posted elsewhere, I strongly endorse.) And come November, they will be with their Hero, Herr Drumpf.

        1. davebarnes, You know who's telling (and helping) ex-miners to rebuild their communities?

          The US Economic Development Administration (EDA), along with teams from Colorado, Wyoming, Virginia, Kentucky, and West Virginia are members of the NACO challenge.  (National Association of Counties) newsletter, page 3. There is significant money and technical assistance available to help these coal-reliant communities to innovate and diversify their economies. (Coal – Reliant Communities Innovation Challenge)

          Which industries and infrastructure are they exploring and expanding? Broadband, freight transport, recreation and tourism, and unmanned aerial vehicle production. And yes, 60 year old miners can be retrained. I would venture to guess that 60 year old miners might actually want their kids and grandkids to have a future not involving coal mining. Furthermore, the young people in those communities can be trained.

          Revisiting Craig, Colorado, also a coal -reliant community, the County Commissioners are looking at expanding tourism, hunting, broadband and developing renewable resources, including geothermal and solar energy plants. The area, like most of Colorado, has huge wind and solar potential. And  Michael Bowman will assert that one good hemp grow could employ a good section of the town.

          So, db, before you scoff and tell the miners to pack their bags and move on, you might give credit to these folks who are actually working on retooling and retraining in their (formerly)  coal-reliant communities. And by the way, Hils is right on board the retooling and retraining train.

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