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May 11, 2016 04:51 PM UTC
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Oh! The humanity!
Once again the unnamed liquor cartel grinds it's heel in the face of Kroger, Safeway, Walmart, Circle K and all the rest of traditionally victimized retailers.
No gnashing of teeth here. From a purely selfish point of view I'm good either way. I'm 2 minutes from the very good selection of everything foreign, domestic and Colorado at my Safeway where I can also pick up a prime grade steak once in a while for half what it would cost at Whole Paycheck or Tony's and if I hanker after something I can't find there I can head east on County Line to Davidson's. Both offer great prices. I never have to darken the door of the crappy little liquor store within walking distance across Ridge Road or the over-priced, pretentious little wine boutique less than five minutes away at Streets of Southglenn.
Not a dent in my lifestyle either way. Sympathy to V who must be taking this very hard. But who knows? It might be presented as an initiative and do very well. Then who will be doing the "oh the humanity" wailing and gnashing of teeth?
See my new diary about the wine and beer bill. I'm claiming victory.
Could you have used an example where BlueCat doesn't end up scrounging in dumpsters? In the meantime, as I’ve said, BlueCat, who isn’t going to be doing any business in the liquor arena except for buying something to drink, is doing fine either way.
I thought about using Duke but felt it might hit too close to home.
No..I stopped in to my favorite liquor store today for a mixed 6 of craft beers you are unlikely to ever find at a supermarket, and a pint of Bushmills. While there, I had a nice chat with Andy. He said he had accepted the inevitability that someday things will change and wasn't particularly worked up about it. He isn't near a supermarket and has other means. He said he has friends whose sole support is their store and some of those may be bought out.
I haven't yet read your diary, so I know I still have much to learn about what all this means.
I just meant I didn't want to use you of an example of someone who lost a business — a taxi business in my hypothetical example. I know how much it still hurts having lost your homebuilding business. My diary just says the legislative compromise leaves such to be desired but still moves us toward reform. I think both sides can live with it, and if not,the lege can fine tune it next year.
I stopped into my Safeway last week to get a mixed 6 craft brews for my husband. Your point?
I often purchase beers that are expensive and high in alcohol content (10% plus) and sometimes in large bottles…while I know you can buy mixed sixes in other places, there are some of my favorites I have never seen in a supermarket. Sixth Glass and Dead Guy Ale are a couple that immediately come to mind. Have you seen those there?
Can't say that I have or haven't as I haven't looked for them in particular. But you can go into any store and fail to find some particular thing there.
Whatever your favorite liquor store is I'm sure they don't have every possible option under the sun. If something somebody wants isn't at your fave or at a big box like Davidson's or at Safeway or the little liquor store around the corner then they just have to look somewhere else. Sometimes you have to shop around.
And yes, there will still be demand for unique and expensive brands and businesses to meet that demand. There certainly are in places like Chicago that have allowed full strength everything in grocery stores for longer than I've been alive.
Perhaps if you could offer some evidence that states or cities or counties in which full strength beer, wine and liquor have long been available in grocery stores as a matter of routine only have big commercial brands available I would better understand your point. Honestly, it's hard for those of us who come from such places to understand why you're so convinced that's the case.
I have purchased beer in supermarkets in at least a half dozen states in the past five years. Some have good selections, some don't. All of them have the usual near-beer crap, Budweiser, Miller, etc. and most have a pretty good selection of craft beers, but most of my favorites never appear there because they are not from large brewers and, as I said earlier, are usually pretty strong and somewhat pricey.
I am not a "typical" beer buyer, I suppose, and don't expect to be shopping for beer in a supermarket anytime soon. This is an issue that pretty much isn't a biggie to me.
OK, Duke. Out of replies so using my own…
But that's not the point. Nobody will have to restrict their buying to supermarkets or even step foot in one for the purpose of buying beer wine or liquor once such sales are allowed.
You and other opponents seem to be saying that allowing grocery liquor sales will result in the loss of craft brew options, not simply in supermarkets but in general. If there is evidence that this is the case in all the many states where full strength beer, wine and liquor is sold in grocery stores please share it. If there is evidence that a wider selection of such things is available in Colorado liquor stores than in liquor stores in places, such as Chicago, where grocery stores also sell full strength beer, please share it.
Otherwise my own experience as a former Chicago resident and lifelong visitor, most recently last spring, does not bear that theory out, admittedly in the absence of evidence harder than my own experience. But in the absence of such evidence I don't feel inclined to change my opinion that grocery store sales here will not cause craft brews to become less available over all.
I am just repeating what the store owners I know have told me. I think the vulnerable area is in the outliers and small start-ups, especially if they come from very small markets. As with guitar distributors, say, the beer distributors that have the big accounts like Safeway, have enormous power over the price point offered to brewers for their product. Large breweries can produce beer, generally, for less per ounce than a small one.
To counter this handicap, many small brewers deal directly with the liquor stores in their area. That diminishes the influence distributors have over the prices they can get from the stores. Contracts with large suppliers are a, "well, if you sell x amount of "America" beer, we can get you some Fat Tire your clients are clamoring for. If there is a loss of independent stores where these companies can get shelf space, it could indeed, have a dampening effect on the smallest parts of the industry.
The vendor , or "jobber" business is about controlling markets and margins… little else.
But to wrap this up, BC…This is, as I said earlier, no biggie to me. Machts nicht.
On that we can agree Duke. No biggie to me either.
Just for you, I unloaded that worthless medallion on MJ. If she balks, I can always dump the damn thing on Moddy!
Thanks. I feel so much better!
I choose, "No"!
I feel I "deserve" it …
I do wish that King Soopers would start selling cable service, however. Comcast sucks! I "deserve" better!
I also “deserve” some decent fresh seafood. Please look into that, huh? Just sayin’ …
Try Century 21 Prism, Dio. Last year my "promotional" rate from Comcast expired and they immediately upped the bill to $360, an increase of $160. I went with Prism and got everything I had from Comcast, plus Showtime (which I didn't actually want, } for $200, including my land line phone. Prism had a few teething problems but works very well. The amazing thing was when I called Comcast to cancel and was reproached for breaking off a service record of 34 years "without giving us a chance to match the price." I told them they should have thought of that before doubling my bill and couldn't resist adding: "Welcome to capitalism."
Why should I be forced by you to buy my cable from someplace other than the store I'm already visiting now to buy my crappy produce and seafood? Convenience, cartels, invisible hands, magic fingers, blargle …
…. Freeeeeeeedommmmmm !!!!
Seriously, thanks! I'd be afraid, however, that if I ever do get decent, affordable cable, that'll just be one less thing I have to bitch about. I need my hobbies, ya' know???
Actually,the stead man compromise should solve the beer and wine issue, albeit gradually. See my new dairy. But keep working on that seafood thing — sometimes I miss that wonderful Boston fresh seafood. And was it you who described the beer pub with the $2.50 pints? If so, would you share the location so thereat of us can ruin it for you? My motto is nothing fails like success.
Dairy? At a grocery store?? That's just crazy talk.
Wasn't me. Where I live (in the DougCo capital), we pay $5 to $7 a craft beer pint, but we have that really great Republican atmosphere (so we're willing to pay pretty much whatever — it’s a bargain to be able to put up with the lunacy)!
'twas me. But of course. East of Utah, north of New Mexico, south of Wyoming and where the rivers flow west.
Rivers flowing west? Sounds crazy!
Don't worry, V, Denver Water is working to change that.
Hush, you weren't supposed to know about that. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. The Blue River has always flowed East.
Hick has to think about it…not ready to sign beer compromise bill….
What a surprise, huh? A box too far, as it were . . .
. . . just not sure if it's safe to drink this one?!?
He has the license for "Frackenliquor"…a blend of fracking fluid, ethanol, and Coors Light..
He just wants to make sure his brand can get some shelf space
Maybe, but I think that any outcome from a process involving real political leadership, and which took into account the input of interested stakeholders instead of just being recommended by a hand select blue ribbon commission assigned to come to a predetermined conclusion, is going to seem foreign and give our Governor pause . . .
by George, I believe you've got it…
Eww. Putting Coors lite into fracking fluid is a deal breaker for me!
As long as it's pumped into the ground, I don't see a better use for Coors light (mixed with Butt Wipe – even better).
To paraphrase Arthur Dent: Something almost, but not quite, completely unlike beer.
But, but…who puts fracking fluid in the ground? That's he guy's favorite brew!