New Advertiser

So you reveal your true funders?

The radical UFCW and the radical API.

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 14:57:44 PM CDT

That ad proves that pols is not owned and operated

by liberals so the conspiracy theories are unfounded. ;)

I do have a question about that ad. It claims increased taxes will decrease research into alternative sources of energy and that we need to use the fuel protected on Federal lands. Can someone please explain the logic of why that would be a good long-term solution?

I think "Energy Tomorrow" can use that fuel to not only lubricate the highway for the handbasket, but then use it to fill the lake of fire they have created for themselves in in HELL!

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by: sufimarie @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:01:18 PM CDT

I've never witnessed such a bitter response to an advertiser on this site

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:12:33 PM CDT

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He's "shocked, shocked!"

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:13:38 PM CDT

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Your bitterness doesn't schock me

you can't help yourself from attacking

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:17:15 PM CDT

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What's to be bitter about?

And your third-rate baiting tactics never change.

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:47:34 PM CDT

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Oh, well how insightful

and funny.

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by: sufimarie @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:17:28 PM CDT

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the future to all our energy problems is drilling right here now..

never mind thats it's an unsustainable finite resource with loads of environmental consequences - that's all you need to know.  Wait, I think the lady in the add winked at me (woo hoo, coochie coo, i'm blushing !).

I thought Pols would have higher standards than to take money from API, but hey, the economy is a bitch !

What a pile of steaming man loaf.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:01:49 PM CDT

Oops, I stand corrected

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:14:51 PM CDT

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In the end you always stand corrected

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:41:24 PM CDT

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That's totally false

sometimes he sits corrected :)

Amazon tax? Bad Idea!

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by: DavidThi808 @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 16:17:49 PM CDT

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We've had ads from all across the political spectrum

For as long as we've been online. Conspiracy nuts will say what they want regardless, but Colorado Pols is a political blog. That's all. Nothing more.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:20:12 PM CDT

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Dirty Money

Can you share with your loyal readers how much you charged API to buy your soul?

I can't believe the industry funded front group would waste their money buying an ad on the most left wing attack machine website in Colorado.  It's a wonder they won the campaign to defeat Amendment 58.

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by: MesaModerate @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 17:55:35 PM CDT

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Climate change denial specialists

Good luck with that, y'all.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind...

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:13:00 PM CDT

Who denies the climate is changing?

We've been cooling or warming since Bush 43 was elected, I just know there is a trend line in there somewhere.

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:24:58 PM CDT

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Cliff Harris and Randy Mann

Randy Mann... is that a joke?

I'm laughing.

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by: sufimarie @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:26:43 PM CDT

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Lib you've toted out this piece of shit graph before

From Wise Young:

"The moment I saw this graph, the hair began to rise on the back of my neck. First, anybody that shows a graph without indicating the units of the y-axis has something to hide. Second, to depict something as variable and complex a global temperature as such a smooth curve suggests dishonesty. Third, the labeling of the chart with the words "Nomanic Time" in bold is bizarre What is Nomanic? Fourth, why does this data go back only 4500 years? Most sources of climate data that goes back several thousand years also include data that go much further back. Fifth where did this data come from? It looks nothing like any climate data that I have seen. Finally, who on earth are Climatologist Cliff Harris & Metereologist Randy Mann ?"

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:40:08 PM CDT

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I'd buy that complaint

Except I saw a very similar (though not identical) graph in a pull-out chart from National Geographic.  But they overlaid the CO2 emissions to up the scare-factor and downplay the we've-been-here-before-factor.

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

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by: Yokel @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 23:09:22 PM CDT

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Hahahahaha I love that fake conversation they have on the "radio" show.

And their slogan is The People of the Oil and Gas Industry.

AAH! It's made from people!! NOOO!!!

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by: sufimarie @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:25:53 PM CDT

Senate data reveals drop, climate change continues

Hadley Center for Climate Protection

Cooling Underway: Global Temperature Continues to Drop in May
June 4, 2008

Posted By Marc Morano - 9:51 AM EST - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov

Cooling Underway: Global Temperature Continues to Drop in May

'Significantly Colder' - 16-month temperature drop of -0.774°C!

Global temperatures continued to slide in May 2008.  Meteorologist Anthony Watts details the cooling temperatures in a report titled "Global Temperature Dives in May." The new global temperature data reveals a whopping three quarters of a degree Celsius drop in temperatures since January 2007. Watts reported late yesterday that the cooling is "equal in magnitude to the generally agreed upon 'global warming signal' of the last 100 years."

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:46:46 PM CDT

Learn how to build

pixel width into your img src tags. Jesus.  

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:48:31 PM CDT

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Jesus

Now there's a man who knew his HTML code.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:50:03 PM CDT

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A temporary blip is not a gradual progession over a period of time

there is a difference between the two, but maybe you saw that Lou Dobbs special about there being no global warming the day after it snowed in Vegas.  Sheesh.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:53:15 PM CDT

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Its clear

10 million new autos on the road every year since 1903 and the heavy use of plastics that began in the late 1870's.

Time to drag out the "Burn Wood, Not [insert new term pertaining to ONG]

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by: Libertad @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 15:57:53 PM CDT

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See that huge rise from 1997 to 1998 on your graph ?

thats bigger than your drop from 2007 to 2008.  By your line of thinking that means we had global warming back then, and then we didn't, and then we did, and didn't, and, oh, wait a second...

You don't make any logical sense.


"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 16:06:55 PM CDT

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That reminds me Libertad

maybe you could help check the blinker on my tailight.  Is it working ?

YEP...NOPE...YEP...NOPE

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 16:09:38 PM CDT

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Someone's in good company

but that someone is not you, Libertad.

A recently published survey of earth scientists shows that the more familiar a scientist is with climate research, the more likely they are to understand what the temperature trends are and what contributing causes are responsible for the trends.

You can find this short peer-reviewed report by searching for Doran & Zimmerman. 2009. Climate Change 90(3):22-23 or just click here.

Sum Ergo Cogito.

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by: ardy39 @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 22:58:11 PM CDT

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Weird

"Climate scientists are more likely to be buy climate-change stuff."  

I'll take "Studies where the authors spent the funding on hookers and blow and then made stuff up" for $100 please.  

The chart I want to see is the one comparing global temperature not to CO2 in the atmosphere, but to solar output.  You can't track the temperature of the water in the teapot without figuring out what the burner is set at.

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

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by: Yokel @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 23:13:49 PM CDT

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Here you go, Yokel

S(t) is the solar irradiance
T(globe) is the global average temperature

Note that T(globe) goes up & up & up ...
Note that S(t) goes up & down & up & down ...

Sum Ergo Cogito.

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by: ardy39 @ Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 00:02:55 AM CDT

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Cherry picking season is early this year

If you have to use a data set that only goes back 20 years and that excludes the most recent years in order to make a "point" then you really don't have much backing for your "point."

According to the NCDC January 2009 was the 7th warmest recorded since 1880.

(Also, you should note that what is plotted in this graph are temperature anomolies. This means that if the temperature is above zero, then that record is warmer than average. So even though Jan 2008 was cooler than Jan 2007, both were warmer than average. All this graph does is show that Jan 2007 was quite warm for the last 20 years. Jan 2008 was still quite warm compared to the average January. Not included in your graph is the fact that Jan 2009 was also warmer than average.)

Sum Ergo Cogito.

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by: ardy39 @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 23:29:08 PM CDT

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Compare & save

If one chooses to look at the available data that goes back to 1880, then the trend is unmistakable. I'll post the graph here for your convenience.

Sum Ergo Cogito.

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by: ardy39 @ Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 00:06:44 AM CDT

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Re: Pols gets more traffic than the Post politics site

Well, congrats, for parroting everyone else's material and then crowing about how great it is that you talk about the fruits of their labor and then boast that your site garners more attention.

To me, that's tantamount to Jared Polis's declaration that he had a hand in the death of the Rocky Mountain News. You're implying that subjectivity and blogs are the way of the future, while organizations dedicated to truth and fact -- instead of blubbering partisanship a la Bill O'Reilly and Keith Olberman -- should fall by the wayside.

Really, you should be proud of yourselves.

Schmucks.

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by: john @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 17:43:04 PM CDT

Actually...

We're just saying our site gets more traffic than that section of their site. You're the one making all these other, um, judgments.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 18:55:51 PM CDT

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The truth tends to come out on Pols too

It's just that it's a messy process that is entirely in public view.

Amazon tax? Bad Idea!

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by: DavidThi808 @ Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 21:19:15 PM CDT

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On a more technical note

Is it just me, or does the API ad have some serious anti-aliasing (or, rather, anti-aliasing failure) artifacts?

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 17:06:58 PM CDT