Taxing Udall

Ah tricky Dick strikes first

We all knew this was coming.  As far as attack ads go I have to say this is pretty well done, not to harsh or personal, but the numbers do seem a little made up it reminds of the scene in Austin Powers when Dr. Evil goes back in time and asks for to much money and the president just laughs.  Anyway I have a feeling we'll be hearing a lot more of this.

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by: mountain man @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:24:16 AM CDT

All Udall has to do...

... is point out that those votes were mainly to fund our trillion-dollar Republican-led disaster in Iraq.

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by: Tancredo Watch @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:32:10 AM CDT

Is this even real?

They list Udall's email address as Mark.house.gov.  That's not even a real email address.  Of course, neither are most of the "facts" in the ad.  Good to know that the Republicans are happy to lie right out of the gate.

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by: BlueAndOrangeDem @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:24:42 AM CDT

Every Rep and Sen has a mail function

except Doug Lamborn.

The "Liberalism is a Sickness" user is an Ignorant Asshole

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by: Zappatero @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 14:54:40 PM CDT

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what does Lamborn use for communications?

two tin cans and a string?  open the window and yell?

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by: One Queer Dude @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 17:42:35 PM CDT

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Voting for it before voting against it...

We all know that's how Congress operates, whether you're a GOP Congress or a Democratic Congress.  I'm sure these votes had to do with the GOP Congress' efforts to cutincome taxes and estate taxes for the hyper-rich--by voting no, Udall is voting yes?  By not putting the bill numbers on these "tax increases", the GOP is really chickening out and thinks the public is really stupid.  Bock Bock.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:39:34 AM CDT

boring

As Bill Clinton used to say that old dog won't hunt.

Start calling him Senator Udall

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by: Iconoclast @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:06:42 PM CDT

More reasons

why Wadhams will be causing a major R defection in the '08 campaing.  For Christs sake....can we talk about some real issues Dick, just for starters?????  We all know the majority of this is for the occupation across the pond.  Oh, by the way, hasn't Cheney's net work gone up 10 fold while in office -- mostly as a result of his Haliburton stock?

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by: Wavin Wheat @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 19:56:37 PM CDT

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A helpful signal

I hope the Udall camp really kicks it up a knotch in inspiring the activist base. Putting them to sleep at events will not build the army they need to counter this crap. We aren't in Boulder anymore, Toto.

As for this piece of crap ad, where are the sources? You can tell the NRSC losers are out of practice.

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:36:57 PM CDT

hey, Mark

how's that bipartisanship working out?

The "Liberalism is a Sickness" user is an Ignorant Asshole

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by: Zappatero @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 12:44:04 PM CDT

.

So Udall shouldn't work with Republican's on good public policy because the NRSC produces attack ads against him when he runs for office?

Whatever you say

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by: Steve Balboni @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:12:07 AM CDT

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does anyone else think the ad is way too long?

I think the ad is way too long and too many figures are thrown at the viewer.

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by: bayoubuff @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 13:53:12 PM CDT

Disaster Ad

This is one of the longest and worst ads ever. Seriously, this is all they have against Mark? It is almost laughable. If this is what the RSCC is spending their money on, Mark Udall will be the next Senator from Colorado. I actually think it will backfire going negative so early.

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by: itwillpass @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 15:08:44 PM CDT

Amen

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by: Wavin Wheat @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 19:57:31 PM CDT

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It does it's job

I'm sure they will come up with other stuff later, but it raises doubt about Udall and that's all it needs to do.  As for backfiring who would it backfire on the republican party?  I don't think so.  Going negative early is the best time to go negative because people haven't formed solid opinions of some one yet so there is still the chance to mold people's feelings about Mark.

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by: mountain man @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 20:15:35 PM CDT

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even more junk

Whoever they are paying to do their ad's is making a ton of money producing crap. Click on the bottom right hand corner and watch the shitty ads. Some DC consultant is making a lot of money. Making ads against Dick Durbin and Mary Landrieu. Waste of time. Also, watch the welcome video where Ensign says he is confident that Republicans have a message to win back the Senate. LOL.
http://www.nrsc.org/...

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by: itwillpass @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 15:18:41 PM CDT

Notice anything else about the videos on that link?

Like they're all clips from the same sexy network. D'oh!

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by: IOnCO @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 15:46:43 PM CDT

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Not well done, but simplistic messages do work

Democrats haven't figured out how to combat the tax label, even though the the tax cuts or increases are not evenly distributed.  Average colorado taxpayers taxes increased by $3000? maybe I'd like to see the numbers.  But I bet if you looked at the median numbers it be about $100. 

D's need to start talking about:

1. median tax cuts/increases its more relevant to what most people get pay

2. service cuts and local tax increases- if you cut taxes at the fed you have to cut services or push their funding to the state and local level. people think you just cut out thngs like the NEA and the budget would allow for tax cuts.  Problem is the budget is dominated by popular programs: defense, social security and medicare (through payroll taxes. and if the burden falls on the local level taxes go to law enforcement, transportation and education.

3. there are no free rides--supplyside economics is a myth--it is basically keynsian consumption stimulation in disguise. People may not understand the economic theory, but they do understand that there are no free rides.

4.Estate tax. death tax. how about the "paris hilton tax"

I am tired of this arguement. there are places in the world where people don't pay taxes--afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia.  If you don't want to pay taxes there are places to go.  Most people prefer the rule of law.  Our taxes are lower than any developed country in the world.  The question are what sevices do we think the government should supply, what is the best way to deliver them, how much will the services cost, and what is the best way to collect the money.

There is waste in the government, but government does a lot of things where a market solution would promote inequity and injustice.  Do we just want to give in and return to a fuedal society where most of us are serfs?

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 15:47:34 PM CDT

New Tax

Is he really going to tax breast feeding?  How are they going to enforce that?

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by: Teddy @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 15:51:42 PM CDT

Over $3,000 for every Coloradoan?

Gimme a break, you lying R's!

And that's just the INCREASE?

Sadly, many will fall for this lying sack of crap.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 16:49:24 PM CDT

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time for the gloves to come off

  Udall needs to make a proper introduction of Condom Bob Schaffer to the people of Colorado who lives outside C.D.4. 
  He might start off by recounting some of Schaffer more extreme positions of social issues (God, guns and gays, oh my), criminalizing abortion, etc. 
  He might also point out that Bob doesn't "play well with others" in his own political party (i.e., the purge of former state Rep. Ramey Johnson and turning on the Shrub on the issue of his "No Child Left Behind" Act).

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by: One Queer Dude @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 18:31:58 PM CDT

I hope so

but don't think Mark has the sack to go negative this early.  Hope I'm wrong, but I'll bet mark lets this slide.

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by: mountain man @ Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 19:05:30 PM CDT

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Who purged Ramey?

I must have missed this memo ... but then again, I still don't know whether I was purged. :)

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by: riogrande @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:45:58 AM CDT

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In 2004 Schaffer was reportedly behind a mailer

that criticized Ramey for her lack of support for vouchers.  He didn't deny this so I assume it is true.  She lost by a very slim margin and this mailer is believed to be the reason for the under votes.

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 10:20:50 AM CDT

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Thanks for that....

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by: riogrande @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 11:12:52 AM CDT

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No prob..

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 13:35:58 PM CDT

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Don't-tax-and-spend Republicans vs. Tax-and-spend Democrats

Not much of a choice, is there?

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by: riogrande @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:43:47 AM CDT

At least the latter...

...is more fiscally responsible.

But I get your point.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 09:16:20 AM CDT

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