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November 22, 2018 12:41 AM UTC

Thanksgiving Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

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  1. John Nichols on Twitter this morning: "I am thankful for the sections of our Constitution that guard against monarchy and soulless subordinates of the totalitarian impulse."

  2. May I ask, of everyone, that we use this holiday to remind ourselves that gratitude is not a commodity to be marketed once a year. Any one of us who is not sleeping in a sleeping bag in a parking lot in California, on a beach by a wall in Tijuana, under a bridge in a stark ghetto, in a refugee camp in any one of hundreds of places around the world…needs to remember our fellow man today and every day.

    A life lived in gratitude can only generate love and forgiveness. Sadly, there are too many nowadays who aren't grateful for anything. 

      1. Apparently you haven’t read that big line you’ve asked for, Yogi?  

        Good news!  “Warm Body” is gonna’ whump Drumpf . . . 

        (. . . which, I guess, means that even Alva doesn’t believe she’ll be the candidate this next time.)

        1. Hillary, girl, we love you. Our family caucused for you in 2008 and 2016.  We donated $1,350 to your campaigns, a lot for a couple of modest means.

          But you lost, the last time to the worst candidate since Benedict Arnold. You and your 79-year-old sidekick Bernie need to get out of the way and let a new generation take the reins, somebody like Amy Klobuchar.
          Don’t let Potomac fever turn you into a parody of yourself, like Hubert Humphrey or John McCain at the end.
          Relax. Love your grandchild. Raise money for a new generation of moderate Democrats.
          We can’t risk another four years of the Trump crime family ruining this country.

          1. Minus the monetary donations to Hillary (she looked to have more than enough money), I join in your comment.  And after mentioning Hillary and Bernie, I'd raise you a Joe and probably an Elizabeth, too.

            The Democratic alternative to Trump ought to be sharp in every way, including policy, personnel AND person.

            Hope you all had a good kick off to the month-long festival of carols. My personal resolve this year — any performance of Little Drummer Boy will trigger an immediate and to the end of the year boycott of the radio station, streaming feed, store or elevator.

        1. Actually, yes, if they were a warlock.

          All I care about is the D candidate winning in 2020. I do not care about ideological purity or policies.
          For me, this means the Ds need a candidate who is:
          white
          male
          <56 years old
          exciting

          Intelligent and believes in science

          1. Remember that Hillary Clinton (69 in 2016) still got 3,000,000 more in votes than Donald Trump (70 in 2016), who won, and that Bernie Sanders, who was 75 in 2016, excited more young voters and had more people come out to his rallies than any other candidate.

            Trump won the election by deft use of Russian social media propaganda, by systematic voter suppression, and he was more strategic about electoral college states than HRC. He targeted states (Michigan, Wisconsin) that were also targeted by propaganda and voter suppression, and he narrowly won in those states.

            Sanders got more people excited to vote because of his policies. Hillary Clinton got more people to vote for her because of her policies (some copied from Bernie's) and because she was the most qualified for the job.

            Unfortunately, in modern America, the ability to raise vast sums of money is also critical. Sanders and Obama did that from millions of small contributions. Clinton did it with a few huge corporate donors.

            Age really had and has almost nothing to do with how well candidates perform.

            Beto O'Rourke meets your qualifications. So does Julian Castro, and his being Latino is an asset. So does Kamala Harris, Andrew Gilum, probably more.

            I personally like Castro and Elizabeth Warren. They are Obama-like in their abilities to reach people emotionally – they're very relatable. That's also a nebulous, but critical, quality of successful presidential candidates.

            You can dismiss policy and funding, ignore propaganda and voter suppression, and claim that age is the magic number that will put a D in the White House. But history is not your friend.

             

            1. Not claiming that age is a magic number for winning.

              What I am saying is that it is time for the Boomers and Oldsters to exit the stage.
              What I am saying is that the Party should appear to be younger. The party of the future and not the past.

              By the way, you can throw the ‘ageism’ charge at me. I don’t give a damn.

              1. I actually agree with you, dave. But it must not be a door closing or turning a switch.

                I think it not a good idea for oldsters to drop out. Who has recruited more young people into politics than Bernie? Just as the cause of womens' rights has, for nearly a century, been supported and advanced by men, the aid and assistance given to the civil rights movement by white citizens made it possible, and the advancement of gay rights is the cause of many traditionally gender identified people, we must support and encourage inclusivity as the message.

                Ask the old guy/gal the questions important to younger citizens. Look to see if part of their candidacy is embracing and including young citizens in their organization. Ask them if they have a transitional plan to train and educate a young government.

                Let's not add ageism to the list of isms to which our party objects. 

                Thanks for considering my opinion, dave.

              2. The Democratic Party had the chance to open its collective arms and welcome in the Bernie supporters. Instead, they closed and barred the doors and put out a "Go Away" mat. All the while vampirically moaning about the need for "new blood".

                I don't know whether the Democratic party will get, or deserves, another chance with young voters. Most of them are and will remain unaffiliated.

                That’s what I see from talking with young voters, anyway. They don’t trust either party.

                They may vote for Democratic candidates – it will depend on whether Dems embrace progressive policies, particularly the issues that directly affect ambitious young people – the cost of higher education and childcare, jobs with a future, cannabis legalization, climate change, as well as the cost of healthcare, which affects everyone.

    1. Someone as blatantly racist and stupid as Hyde-Smith could only be elected in Mississippi, which has been aggressively gerrymandering and suppressing votes to keep its ~35% black population out of power since the 1960s.

      A look at Mississippi's district maps can help solve the mystery of how districts with 23- 66% black populations end up being represented by white Republicans:

      Analysts at 538 write that Mississippi was gerrymandered to give Republicans a +10 advantage, whereas proportional or competitive redistricting would give Democrats +15.

       

      1. I'm trying to figure out who is/was worse:  Cindy Hyde-Smith or Trent Lott. Both are/were racists but I think Lott was a little smarter than this moron. Well, with the exception of his wishes at Strom Thurmond's birthday party.

    2. Also, not sure if it's shown up here, but she slso sent her daughter to an almost completely segregated private high school (one out of 530+ students is black, probably just enough to get around some wimpy state nod to desegregation). She herself also attended a segregated school, but I'm not going to blame her for her parents' decision…

  3. Black?  Check.  Armed?  Check.  Execute.

    The Second Amendment is a white right.

    Black Man Killed by Officer in Alabama Mall Shooting Was Not the Gunman, Police Now Say

    An Alabama police officer fatally shot a 21-year-old black man on Thursday night who the police initially said shot at least one person at a mall near Birmingham, turning a Thanksgiving holiday shopping scene into chaos.

    But on Friday the police said evidence suggests that the man actually was not the gunman and that the true gunman remained at large.

    He was licensed to carry a firearm, she [his mother] said. Alabama generally does not prohibit people from carrying firearms in public, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

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