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March 24, 2019 09:34 AM UTC

Who's Running The Polis Recall? Nazis. Yes, Really.

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Over the past couple of weeks there have been a number of stories about groups organizing to recall Gov. Jared Polis from office. Because Gov. Polis is constitutionally protected from a recall effort for the for six months he is in office, it has not been possible for these groups to gather any signatures, and the massive requirement of over 600,000 valid signatures makes the attempt as a practical matter highly unlikely. Regardless, the agitation is contributing to the current zeitgeist of GOP rebelliousness against Democrats, who won in an historic landslide election in 2018 leaving Republicans with no way of stopping Democrats from passing desired legislation.

But for all the legitimizing press the Polis recall proponents have received this month, there’s been something very important missing–information about the people behind the effort. And as the Greeley Tribune’s Tyler Silvy reports today in one of the biggest stories ever from that media outlet, this data point is extremely significant.

Because some of them are Nazis.

Recall Governor Jared Polis page, a closed Facebook group, is nearly 30,000 members strong after adopting that name.

Shane Donnelly is one of the admins for the page, and appears to be in charge, as he has called the page “my group,” and commented that he “created this movement.”

He also once posted that Hitler was good to the German people, and “its time america has someone american.” Donnelly hasn’t responded to a Facebook message seeking comment. [Pols emphasis]

There’s no way we can effectively summarize all the the damning detail in this story, so make sure you click through and read it all. The short version is that an online right-wing activist named Shane Donnelly is the principal organizer of the “official” Polis recall closed Facebook group and the issue committee of the same name. The Tribune reports on a recent split between that organization and another group calling itself the Resist Polis PAC. Regardless it’s Donnelly’s group that has almost 30,000 members, the only hard indicator of support that exists for any of this.

And Shane Donnelly is not the only Nazi in the group.

Then there’s the OFFICIAL RECALL ELECTION COMMITTEE, which would discuss potential candidates for election to take Polis’ place should a recall be successful.

Judy Spady is officially involved with both committees, and she’s also an admin for the Facebook group, earning that title following Good’s exodus.

Spady’s public Facebook page is rife with anti-semitic posts, including a post from September 2017 saying “Israel did 9/11,” and another that credits the western world with creating radical Islam to “use fear to push the Jew World Order.” [Pols emphasis]

Now, let’s compare this revelation to the outrage over Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s comments about “allegiance to a foreign power” in reference to support for Israel, the advisability of which remains a subject of hot contention among Democrats after a push to condemn Omar via a resolution went sideways. Republicans of course had no such division in their ranks, if anything with a few like Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado voting against the watered-down Omar resolution because it didn’t single out anti-Semitism above all other forms of oppression:

In the history of the world, no group has suffered more insidious hatred than the Jews. Anti-Semitism can’t be compared with any other hate speech without marginalizing the history of Jewish oppression. I will not vote to overlook the anti-Semitism which has been covered up by the Democratic leadership…

Well folks, we’re sorry to inform Rep. Buck that the campaign to recall Jared Polis–which he’d better handle with care as a candidate for Colorado Republican Party chairman–is run by people who aren’t at all ambiguous in their hatred of Jewish people.

There’s a lot more to say about this, and it’s time for that conversation to happen. It’s not just that these vile fringe figures were given credibility in multiple news reports that they never deserved. The Recall Polis campaign is trading on the same ginned-up outrage as the recall campaign against House members personally fronted by GOP House Minority Leader Patrick Neville. It’s the same message, motivating the same segment of the electorate. If anything, Neville would love to have the nearly 30,000 members of Donnelly’s Recall Polis group give Neville’s relatively obscure Recall Colorado page a like.

This is who they are. If it’s not who you are, and you’re part of their movement, you know what to do.

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89 thoughts on “Who’s Running The Polis Recall? Nazis. Yes, Really.”

  3. We didn't call it a Buckpedal for no reason.

    Buck, champion of the 4th Amendment (find it yourself- he got a warrant to searcha tax preparer's office and take documents based on probable cause for just over 200 people with fake social security numbers – looking at you Greely employers and then took over 10,000 documents and files), will have no trouble showing empathy for any opposition to D's and anyone not R, while also maintaining deniability for his people.

  4. Ehh, they’re probably not all nazis and anti-semites . . . 

    . . . Hey, I’m sure they probably got a couple of homophobes, too?

    You know, both sides.

  5. The right fringe bigots have way too many groups competing for the same goal. There is Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis. (the closed group). There's its out-of-town buddy, Friends of Recall (etc) There's Recall Colorado (the RMGO/ Neville / Julie Williams group.  There's ResistPolisPAC, (Tom Good’s group)which seems to be trying to position itself as a "moderate" group. Oh, and there’s the “Official” Recall Jared Polis Page, recallpolis.com, affiliated with the Resistpolis PAC, and open for business and taking “pledges” for later donations, doesn’t seem to be seriously taking on the governor, but has a laundry list of 18 Democratic Reps and Senators to “recall”.

    On the electoral vote vs popular vote issue, coloradansvote.org is taking donations now. They seem to be affiliated loosely with the recall polis groups. These guys are getting all their federal and local issues monies entangled, and I hope that AG Weiser takes note.

    Now there's this Nazi taint, and it will be interesting to see how they try to wiggle out of that. My bet: "Fake News".

    Nazi sympathizer Shane Donnelly is also a moderator of Recall Polis – Morgan County, my local affiliate FB group, which claims 995 members.

    It's going to end up in a race to see which groups get the big dark money donations, as it was in the recalls of 2013.  Several of the groups already have go-fund-me pages. I see this as about fundraising first, ginning up outrage for 2020 next, with slim chances of recalling three legislators, thus changing the balance of power in the Leg, and no chance at all for recalling Jared Polis.

    The "Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis" group has been around for four years…..yeah, way before Polis even thought about running for governor. It was initiated to recall Governor Hickenlooper, for basically the same reasons they're mad at Polis; signing laws they don't like.

    The other recall group, Recall Colorado, the one run by the N(evil)le Fam, is basically just going after legislators they see as vulnerable. (Rochelle Galindo , (Greeley)   Meg Froelich, (Englewood), Jeff Bridges (Greenwood Village) etc.  Froelich and Bridges may be vulnerable because they got their seats by appointment after Senator Daniel Kagan resigned for using the wrong bathroom.

    Galindo won her seat by a wide margin, but is out as a lesbian, and is pro-health and safety, which is seen as anti-oil-and-gas industry in  "Frack City", Greeley.
    All three legislators targeted for recall are progressives, and support the red flag bill and 19-181, as well as Colorado's popular vote initiative signed by Polis.  

    If you're in Froelich's, Galindo's, or Bridges' districts, you might consider letting your support for your Democratic legislator be known, and sending them a little cash if the recall petitions get off the ground.

    1. Well, Julie Williams has some expertise in recall elections. At least knowing how to lose 'em.

      The big question in my mind is:  if they actually try doing this to Polis, who do they run as their recall candidate? Walker Stapleton, who should be tanned, rested and ready? Taller Coffman? Bob Beauprez? Or some real batshit crazy? 

      1. Let's say they do get enough signatures to recall (I have no faith in checks and balances these days), does it go to an election? What happens if these grifting mouth-breathing fucktards get their way?

        1. I don't think there's any way they recall Polis. They can't start collecting until July,  if their petition passes muster, and they'd have to get well over 631,000 valid signatures before November if they wanted to have a special election this year. 

          Plus they're fighting amongst themselves over money and turf, and don't have a petition filed with the Secretary of State yet – all they've done is register two committees and a competing PAC.

            – it's like the KKKeystone Kops.

          As I wrote, though, some of your state reps and Senators,  (Galindo, Froelich, and Bridges) could be in real danger, if any of the KKKrew get their acts together and actually collect signatures. They'll need a much lower amount of signatures to recall in these districts, and odds are that there will be plenty of oil and gas and gun money to pump out pro-recall propaganda. 

          On a positive note, how refreshing it is to see Jena Griswold's face on the banner of the Secretary of State site.  Pretty sure she won't allow dirty tricks like the last folks to run a recall pulled.

        2. Then presumably there is a recall election overseen by Jenna Griswold. The recallers would need to run a candidate, which might get interesting. Do they go with viable or crazy…

          1. Depends who wins the turf war.

            If the RMGO crowd or the Donnelly/ Spady "Official Recall Polis Committee" crowd wins, crazy for sure.

            If Good and the ResistPolisPAC win, they'd probably go with a Victor Mitchell "moderate" type.

    2. Colorado Pols – mamajama55 is right – *FAKE NEWS*. Can you say "Defamation, Slander and Libel"? Did anyone bother to ask the Registered Agent what she believes? No? Or you just decided to run with some smear campaign that started via con-man and Chief Thief, Tom ain't Good. What happened to journalistic integrity???? There are OVER 29,000 people in the group and 1 or 2 bad apples do not represent the group or what we stand for. Neither Tom or Judy are a part of our group anymore. They came and went as fast as they came. Tom left with ALL contributions made to our group and then went on a smear quest to create division in our group because they are afraid of what we WILL ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER. You also misrepresent what Shane said and failed to put it in context because the truth is, Hitler was loved by his people and that is how he rose to power. That is a historical FACT. Further, I am a student at the Israeli Institute of Biblical Studies and study Biblical Hebrew and attend a Messianic Church called The Way Congregation in Arvada. It might behoove you to retract and remove your slanderous and libelous hit piece. This is the only notice you will get – CEASE AND DESIST. ~ Juli-Andra Fuentes

      1. Do you realize that Defamation encompasses Slander and Libel? That a statement can be slander OR libel, but not both?

        Do you know the Registered Agent is only "the individual or business responsible for accepting service of process for an entity," so if there is no process, there is no responsibility to contact the agent?

        Care to consider the possibility of libel by naming someone in writing as "con-man and Chief Thief, Tom ain't Good."

        If you are a student and attend a Messianic Church, care to speculate what the New Testament says about taking someone to court?

      1. Based on the posts of your spammers below, this post does not fall under the umbrella of defamation.  When your people say this:

        "Hitler was loved by his people and that is how he rose to power. That is a historical FACT."

         

        Then it justifies this post.  Because it gives credence to your movement to overturn an election you lost fair and square as having Nazis, or at least Nazi sympathizers in your group.  You are definitely a group of sore losers.

    1. What else ya got, RecallPolis? Normally, people introduce themselves and post a comment, not just spam gifs. If you want to use this forum as a conservative anti-Polis person, you can….but you can't just spam it.

      1. I didn't bother to look at those links, mama. Thanks for the heads up.

        What unmitigated cowards these righty trolls have become. At least PissAnt and Fluffy and the old timey trolls could take a few punches before they bailed. These last few need some pieces of cellophane…to tie around their ankles…to keep the ants off their candy asses.

         

          1. I'm not familiar enough with the workings of this site as to how just links get posted without comment. But I don't need a virus on my system either and so won't click on the link. Who has the ability to get it deleted?

  9. Dear Colorado Pols,

    Hello. This letter is in reply to your article 'Who's Running the Polis Recall? Nazis. Yes, Really', published by you on March 24, 2019, at 9:34 AM MDT.

    First, let me say it's been more than (37) hours since you published this asinine article in the apparent hack of an online magazine, or 'Politics, News & Inside Information' organization that you purport to be. You must be a heck of a successful information resource if your article has only generated *(21)* comments in (37) hours since publishing the much-fabricated article you apparently believe is news, or inside information. <drips sarcasm>

    Apparently you were asleep in your Journalism 101 class, because it's obvious to anyone with optical-abilities to see you don't know, nor follow the canons of journalism.

    According to the American Press Association, there's this little thing, called 'Principles of Journalism', which is a list of nine fundamental principles that 'journalists' and journalism must adhere to. The 'Statement of Purpose', as reported by the American Press Association states: "The central purpose of journalism is to provide citizens with accurate and reliable information they need to function in a free society." [American Press Association: 'Principles of Journalism'; https://americanpressassociation.com/principles-of-journalism/; Internet. Accessed: March 25, 2019.]

    The nine principles are:
    1. Journalism's First Obligation Is To The Truth
    2. Its First Loyalty Is To Its Citizens
    3. Its Essence Is Discipline Of Verification
    4. Its Practitioners Must Maintain An Independence From Those They Cover
    5. It Must Serve As An Independent Monitor Of Power
    6. It Must Provide A Forum For Public Criticism And Compromise
    7. It Must Strive To Make The Significant Interesting And Relevant
    8. It Must Keep The News Comprehensive And Proportional
    9. Its Practitioners Must Be Allowed To Exercise Their Personal Conscience
    [American Press Association: 'Principles of Journalism'; https://americanpressassociation.com/principles-of-journalism/; Internet. Accessed: March 25, 2019.]

    Beginning with the first, and most-important canon of journalism, it appears you took the word, or account of someone who's either discontent, or who wishes to malign the 'Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis (ORCGJP)' Facebook group. The fact that you failed to investigate the information which you published as factual, is exactly why I hope the leader of ORCGJP, Shane Donnelley, and EVERY member of this group (almost 29,000-strong!!) litigates the pants off of you. You can count on me to bring suit against you for LIBEL; it's a very serious crime. You have failed the first principle of your profession, and it is on this basis that I surmise your entire literary organization a 'hack'.

    Secondly, I am a member of ORCGJP, and a Moderator for the group's webpage. I have known Shane Donnelley through a mutual friend for approximately (5) years. I have never known him to express or display any sympathy to Nazis, or to admire Adolf Hitler. I have associated with him through multiple political-activist groups with a presence on Facebook for the same time, as we were in the same groups together. The group that we were in prior to the group name-change to 'Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis (ORCGJP) Political Issue Committee (PIC)' February 26, 2019, was known as 'Keeping Colorado Officials Accountable', established July 8, 2018. I find it ironic, yet prophetic that our recall petition against Governor Polis will begin on the one-year anniversary of our former group name.

    I am sure you are on a Liberal witch-hunt to smear this group and our mission, and therefore will attempt to categorize the group as 'Nazis', individually, or collectively, and that you intend to bully, intimidate, and denigrate the members of ORCGJP, so I want to be clear: I don't attempt to represent that I speak for ANYONE else in the group, thus I refer you to contact Shane Donnelley, himself, or Juli-Andra Fuentes, the Media Administrator for the group, but I WILL tell you who *I* am: 
    "I am an unabashed, and concerned American, Coloradan, USAF veteran, patriot, Christian, mom, woman that actively engages in political issues, exercising my 1st Amendment U.S. Constitutional right to protest, and redress my government: Federal and State, to prevent disastrous policies from becoming legislation, or if passed, to be repealed.

    I have also been active in the successful recall of two Colorado Senators: John Morse, and Angela Giron, and the resignation of Evie Hudak, in 2013.

    I actively participated in, and protested Obama and his Administration's policies & agenda, from ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, to BENGHAZI;

    I actively participated in, and protested Colorado legislation to restrict/ban magazines of select-fire capability rifles the uneducated call 'assault rifles';

    I actively participated in, and protested the former CO Governor John Hickenlooper turning Denver, and ANY Colorado city into Sanctuary cities – which included protests at the Capitol, and a 'Rolling March' in November 2015, and a radio interview with a Denver radio show ((Sorry, but I don't recall which one *right now*… getting old sucks.) I *THINK* it was KLZ 560 AM)), and a television interview with a reporter from a Denver Hispanic television station/subsidiary of a Denver television station;

    I actively participated in, and supported a march to the Colorado Freedom Memorial in Aurora, by 'Colorado Supports 1 Million Vets', and Overpasses for America – Colorado (Denver) honoring the Colorado Army Reserve/Army National Guardsmen who lost their lives in EXTORTION 17, August 6, 2011;

    I actively participated in, and supported organizations like: 'III%ers of Colorado – Denver' chapter, being appointed the first Secretary of 'III%ers Colorado – Denver Chapter' in August of 2014, as we sent III%ers to the Arizona-Mexico border to support ranchers, and property owners against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION;

    I actively participated in, and supported veteran organizations like 'Concerned Veterans For America (CV4A) – Colorado, Denver', by soliciting support from Americans to seek reform in the United States Veterans Affairs (VA), along with accountability;

    I actively participated in, and was saluted as an Honorary member in the 'Colorado's Patriot Guard Riders' organization, attending and presenting the Colors for veterans who received final burial honors – Final Roll Call – at the Fort Logan National Cemetery, and other veteran burials in private ceremonies;

    I actively participated in, and supported relief efforts for victims of floods in several Colorado counties, I believe it was September 2014;

    I've actively participated in, and supported 'Mail Call' on FaceBook since 2013, which honors our United States military branches, and servicemen/servicewomen: we sent (and send!) mail and care packages to deployed servicemembers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I'm a member of this FaceBook group: the Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis (ORCGJP), PIC, and have been since Day 1, and a Moderator for approximately a week. No, I didn't start this group, but some of the men and women who serve as Administrators and Moderators, I have been with in former politically active FaceBook groups, such as Recall Hickenlooper (2017, and 2018). ORCGJP was started by Shane Donnelley, *THE* Administrator for this group, and he is the creator of this group and webpage.

    I haven't 'decided to be in charge'; I decided to be ACTIVE, and to be a LEADER."

    [Facebook: Facebook.com: 'Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis': Christine Martinez, in reply to an ORCGJP member: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThePeopleofColorado/2058089174269054/?comment_id=2058099967601308&reply_comment_id=2058307067580598&notif_id=1553543949981909&notif_t=group_comment_mention; Published: March 25, 2019; Internet. Accessed: March 25, 2019.]

    Apparently you are used to dealing with Liberal, Progressive, Socialist snowflakes who wither and wilt under scrutiny. Let me tell you right now:
    you are dealing with a COLORADAN, and I am COLORADAN-STRONG!!  The only withering to be done here is in your below-the-waist accoutrements. You fired the first shot, sir or madam. I'm shooting the last.

    Sincerely,

    Christine A. Martinez,
    American, Coloradan,
    USAF Veteran

    3. You had me at capitalized BENGHAZI, because we all know what an actual witch hunt that is.

      You're more concerned over the loss of a few US diplomats (it was a tragedy, don't get me wrong) than you are about a foreign government steering our elections and tainting and most likely controlling our current president. But hey, keep demonizing Killary until you've finally got her hanged and drawn and quartered for whatever made-up crimes you accuse her of.

      We all know you conservatives only care about the rule of law when you can apply it to everyone but yourselves. That's why you project all the things you're already doing and getting away with on the Democrats. Plus, being so dimwitted and gullible, you all just follow along and accept the barrage of propaganda you hear as fact, without question.

      So, here you are once again, crying over an election you all lost, planning on pooping in the swimming pool so nobody can swim. And you have the gall to call us the snowflakes. Hahaha!!

      BTW, do you all instantly try to recall every single Democrat, no matter what, because you can't win elections by voting? Cry me a river and put up better candidates next time, snowflake. Save us the taxpayer money by dropping your futile attempts, or at the very least, stop saying you're fiscally responsible when wasting all our money on this bullshit.

      Again, cry me a river and try to win the legal way, not by loophole or sour grapes. You all are what's wrong with this country.

    4. Conglaturation, dummy. Nothing says "I R vry srs" like a bunch of all-caps wingnut buzzwords. Doesn't make you look stupid and/or crazy at all. 

      How many other Nazis are in your merry assemblage of dipshits?

  10. <p><a href="https://www.coloradopols.com/diary/author/colorado-pols&quot; title="View all posts by Colorado Pols">Colorado Pols</a>&nbsp;- mamajama55 is&nbsp;right – *FAKE NEWS*. Can you say &quot;Defamation, Slander and Libel&quot;? Did anyone bother to ask the Registered Agent what she believes? No? Or you just decided to run with some smear campaign that started via&nbsp;con-man and Chief Thief, Tom ain't Good. What happened to journalistic integrity???? There are OVER 29,000 people in the group and 1 or 2 bad apples do&nbsp;not represent the group or what we stand for. Neither Tom or Judy are a part of our group anymore. They came and went as fast as they came. Tom left with ALL contributions made to our group and then went on a smear quest to create division in our group because they are afraid of what we WILL ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER. You also misrepresent what Shane said and failed to put it in context because the truth is, Hitler was loved by his people and that is how he rose to power. That is a historical FACT. Further, I am a student at the Israeli Institute of Biblical Studies and study Biblical Hebrew and attend a Messianic Church called The Way Congregation in Arvada. It might behoove you to retract and remove your slanderous and libelous hit piece. This is the only notice you will get – CEASE AND DESIST. ~ Juli-Andra Fuentes</p>

  11. Dear ColoradoPols.com (Andrei)

    First, thank you for publishing my rebuttal letter to ColoradoPols.com, and the anonymous author who wrote the offensive article that accused the Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis (ORCGJP) Political Issue Committee (PIC); its creator, and Lead Administrator, Shane Donnelley; other members of the Administrator & Moderator team, such as the Registered Agent, Media Administrator, and the Administrator of the GoFundMe account for the group, Juli-Andra Fuentes; and the members of this nearly-29,000 strong group, of being 'Nazis', individually, and collectively.
    I am severely disappointed that you, an agent of ColoradoPols.com, chose to not only marginalize Juli-Andra Fuentes, but you chose to mark her comment as 'Spam', as if it were some worthless comment, beneath you to address.
    Well, I am here to defend her right to rebut, and to give her voice back to her, as I submit her comments.
    While your gratitude to me for "speaking the truth, caring about Colorado, and fighting for this country" looks good for you, the sentiment rings hollow as you sensationalize an already drama-packed issue: the recall of Governor Polis, and you fail to issue a swift, genuine letter of apology to ORCGJP and EVERY ONE of its members, from the top of this group, to our base, our concerned Colorado constituents who are committed to having THEIR voices heard, finally, from their county commissioners and Sheriffs who are vowing to resist, and in fact, state emphatically they will NOT comply with the un-Constitutional GUN-GRAB of the Colorado Democratic legislators, to the overwhelming SUPPORT for Colorado's oil & gas businesses and employees from the ENERGY-STRONG community!! We SHALL prevail!! The 'sore losers' of Colorado are about to SHOW Governor Polis the STRENGTH, WILL, and POWER of aggrieved (pissed off!) COLORADANS!!!
    I expect to see a full retraction of your article, and the letter of apology. PRAY, that we are benevolent, sir.
    Now, Juli-Andra's comments, which include random letters and characters due to formatting conflicts: "View all posts by Colorado Pols">Colorado Pols</a>&nbsp;- mamajama55 is&nbsp;right – *FAKE NEWS*. Can you say &quot;Defamation, Slander and Libel&quot;? Did anyone bother to ask the Registered Agent what she believes? No? Or you just decided to run with some smear campaign that started via&nbsp;con-man and Chief Thief, Tom ain't Good. What happened to journalistic integrity???? There are OVER 29,000 people in the group and 1 or 2 bad apples do&nbsp;not represent the group or what we stand for. Neither Tom or Judy are a part of our group any more. They came and went as fast as they came. Tom left with ALL contributions made to our group and then went on a smear quest to create division in our group because they are afraid of what we WILL ACCOMPLISH TOGETHER. You also misrepresent what Shane said and failed to put it in context because the truth is, Hitler was loved by his people and that is how he rose to power. That is a historical FACT. Further, I am a student at the Israeli Institute of Biblical Studies and study Biblical Hebrew and attend a Messianic Church called The Way Congregation in Arvada. It might behoove you to retract and remove your slanderous and libelous hit piece. This is the only notice you will get – CEASE AND DESIST. ~ Juli-Andra Fuentes"

    Sincerely,

    Christine A. Martinez,
    American, Coloradan,
    USAF Veteran
     

    2. Dear Christine, Shane, and Juli-Andra,

      Congratulations. You noticed that this site really does believe in freedom of speech, and did in fact post your wordy and self-righteous replies in all of their incoherent glory. Your facebook sites won't do the same – any "Dem" or "Lib" that ventures a contrary opinion is immediately banned. So good luck connecting with the unaffiliated, Democratic, and undecided Colorado voters you'll need to connect with in order to run a successful recall campaign. You'll quickly find that people tune out those who don't listen.

      Thanks for your military service, Christine. You have showed yourself to be courageous and selfless. However, your service and status as a veteran does not make you automatically right about political issues. You are no more a patriot than I am, or the others on here, many of whom are also veterans.

      You obviously won't care and won't listen to any political arguments about any of the issues you're so mad at Polis for supporting. So I'll just cut to the chase:

      You have no grounds to accuse anyone of libel. Shane Donnelly's Facebook posts, hinting that "Jews caused 9/11" were in fact posted by him, re-posted from Judy Spady. You no longer have Judy Spady as an administrator, because her anti-semitism made her a liability.* Your own comments about how Hitler was "loved" by his people are deeply offensive. As a daughter of a refugee from the Anschluss, I can tell you that Hitler was much more feared and hated than "loved".

      So the anti-Semitism in your group is there. People took screenshots of the posts at the time. It's not to say that every single one of the people in your group shares those views – they don't. But that it's such a unifying quality in your leadership is disturbing.

      The truth is the best defense against an accusation of libel.

      -mj55

      * One of your administrators just pinned a post admitting that Judy was banned for being anti-Semitic. I have a friend in your group.

       

       

       

       

       

       

      1. Dear Mamajama55,

        First of all, your assessment of my 'wordy, self-righteous replies, in all their incoherent glory' is a brilliant assessment. I'm guessing that's probably the same collection of vernacular that you assemble in an effort to denigrate someone whom you assume to be something other than what they are.
        Obviously my rebuttal was 'coherent' or the statements would be unintelligible ramblings.

        Secondly, were you too busy fabricating half-truths to actually read what I wrote? To correct you:
        1. Freedom of Speech? Yes, my posts submitted successfully, but Juli-Andra Fuentes also attempted to post a comment last night, and she reported to me, a couple of Administrators, and another Moderator, or two, that her remarks were marked as 'spam', and she was blocked. I would argue that censorship is not indicative of free speech.
        2. Your unjust accusation: "any 'Dem' or 'Lib' that ventures a contrary opinion is immediately banned.” {on the ORCGJP Facebook page(s)} Obviously you've never seen my moderations, nor is your source reporting to you accurately. I believe every Coloradan has a voice that deserves to be heard, and I welcome everyone, regardless of demographic or political affiliation. I believe I moderate fairly, and respectfully. I can tell you I value the input of every ORCGJP member, and I THANK everyone for their contributions to civil discourse. (P.S. Your source told you that Judy was banned from the group's page. I saw the Administrator's action that removed her from leadership, but not ban her this morning around 4 AM MDT.)
        3. Actually, I have very good reason to accuse the author and the website, including the owner of the website of libel. You see, the author wrote this trumped-up fiction to distort the truth. The accusations were cast wide, and far, when in reality IF there is proof of anti-Semitism, or Nazi support, why not go after the individuals you have proof of? Why cast your accusations and assumptions on EVERYONE in the group?
        Because to be truthful would mean you would have to stop and actually respect someone who may be your polar-opposite, politically, and what if we aren't polar-opposites?
        You've not asked me my opinions because it's easier to assume your own self-righteous posture when you simply assume, as opposed to ascertain. As for the website, the website administrator should be responsible for performing the duties of a 'hardcopy' media/news distributor, and ensure that literary works follow the canons of journalism. The owner, well that may or not be the same person as the editor, if it's not the same person, then he/she also incurs the same responsibility.
        4. Not that I doubt the veracity of your claim to be the daughter of a refugee from 'Anschluss',  but are you sure you don't mean 'Auschwitz'? See, I grew up in Germany, and I was taught Germany history, geography, and language. 'Anschluss' literally mean 'to join', and is referenced as the annexation of Germany, and Austria, in 1938. 'Auschwitz' is one of the more famous concentration camps, camps that had gas chambers that killed millions of Jews: Germans, Poles, and a few Russians & Americans, if I recall. (No pun intended.) Honest mistake? It happens. Right?
        5. I saw a comment when I was scrolling, about my list of achievements, where the commenter said something to the effect of 'Look at me! Look how good I am!' That wasn't the intended spirit at all. He/she (and anyone else who feels the same) is missing the true purpose behind my list:
        A.) Is it mutually agreed that someone active in their community, and to the variety of events, might actually CARE about others; complete strangers, and want to make life (or death – I'm not being impertinent, some of the people I served were veterans who passed away, and had requested that other veterans stand up for them, to see them to their final resting places) better for them? Does that sound like a bigot, racist, or Nazi? It doesn't to me.
        and
        B.) Is it mutually agreed that someone with a variety of interests might just be devoting herself: time, energy, money.. to a cause that YOU care about, too?

        Could it be that 'we'.. any of you, and I, have the same interest in the same causes, or interests, in general? I could see some things that are similar between myself, and a few of you. MJ55 because of her heritage, and my childhood; Duke Cox because of his nationality; Pseudonymous, for his humor (touche' sir – that was a fine quip); Conserv. Head Banger, for his love of AC/DC, I 'salute' you (pun intended). (P.S. Def Leppard is better!) 4 out of 10, or 2/5ths of you.. I could find at least one piece of common ground, and maybe more if communication didn't have to be insults, and snide remarks.

        I noted my association with Shane Donnelley, and emphasized that I do not represent to speak for anyone but myself. (8th paragraph)
        You're welcome for my service, sacrifice, and selflessness.
        I didn't mention my status as an U.S. Air Force Veteran to impress, not to imply that my status as such 'automatically makes me right about political issues'.
        You haven't asked me what my position is on any issue, yet you judge me to be guilty of being a bigot, racist, anti-Semitic, and/or Nazi supporter.
        How astute of you.

        I mentioned my status because I'm proud of my service, as I have a right to be.
        I served honorably, and sacrificed time I missed spending with my firstborn as a toddler, to fly across the Atlantic Ocean to be assigned to a remote Portuguese island, to support the aviators of OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM.
        I volunteered for that temporary duty to stand up to the tyranny of then-Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, because I believed ending his aggression on the Northern Kurds, his own people, was the right thing to do.
        I participate in the organizations I participate in, or have participated in, due to my belief in the mission, and success of that mission, not for a pin, badge, or ribbon.
        I stand up to the attempted un-Constitutional gun-grab by Liberal/Progressive Democrats in an effort to prevent what happened in dictator-led countries from happening in Colorado, and the United States. Dictators are what you get when you implement Socialism, and Communism, which is where I see this State, and Nation heading.
        I would mention my stances on other issues, but I'm convinced they would fall on deaf ears, as you collectively snicker, and mock me as being self-righteous. Go ahead. Laugh, and mock. I am secure in my self-esteem, and your cruelty, and bullying does not faze me. Your own hateful rhetoric, and undeserved criticism is shameful.
        Whatever evidence anyone has on Shane Donnelley, or Judy Spady, is for Shane and Judy to explain. I am neither of them, and they are not me. As for that same evidence, it was never Shared with me in any format: social media, or otherwise. Maybe because I live my life, and don't stalk other's Facebook Timelines, I never saw the evidence, but if so, that's even more reason for you to consider that lumping me, and more than 28,000 other concerned Coloradans into your judgmental, and prejudiced opinions, as bigots, racists, or Nazi supporters is ignorant, and repugnant. I do pray for you, and I say that with goodwill and earnest hope that one day politics will not be the divisive entity in which we suffer from one political campaign to another.
        Perhaps one day, a man's or woman's service to this State, and this Country, in whatever capacity: police, medical, military, and political will be something that means something to people who are ungrateful now. That day may come when the police and military protect both you, and your rights; medicine heals and cures you; and politics is restored to represent you, and your wishes in your Local, State, and Federal governments.

        Sincerely,

        Christine A. Martinez,
        American, Coloradan,
        USAF Veteran

      2. Dear Mamajama55,

        First of all, your assessment of my 'wordy, self-righteous replies, in all their incoherent glory' is a brilliant assessment. I'm guessing that's probably the same collection of vernacular that you assemble in an effort to denigrate someone whom you assume to be something other than what they are.

        Obviously my rebuttal was 'coherent' or the statements would be unintelligible ramblings.

        Secondly, were you too busy fabricating half-truths to actually read what I wrote?

        To correct you: 

        1. Freedom of Speech? Yes, my posts submitted successfully, but Juli-Andra Fuentes also attempted to post a comment last night, and she reported to me, a couple of Administrators, and another Moderator, or two, that her remarks were marked as 'spam', and she was blocked. I would argue that censorship is not indicative of free speech.

        2. Your unjust accusation: "any 'Dem' or 'Lib' that ventures a contrary opinion is immediately banned." {on the ORCGJP Facebook page(s)}
        Obviously you've never seen my moderations, nor is your source reporting to you accurately. I believe every Coloradan has a voice that deserves to be heard, and I welcome everyone, regardless of demographic or political affiliation. I believe I moderate fairly, and respectfully. I can tell you I value the input of every ORCGJP member, and I THANK everyone for their contributions to civil discourse. (P.S. Your source told you that Judy was banned from the group's page. I saw the Administrator's action that removed her from leadership, but not ban her this morning around 4 AM MDT.)

        3. Actually, I have very good reason to accuse the author and the website, including the owner of the website. You see, the author wrote this trumped-up fiction to distort the truth. The accusations were cast wide, and far, when in reality IF there is proof of anti-Semitism, or Nazi support, why not go after the individuals you have proof of? Why cast your accusations and assumptions on EVERYONE in the group?
        Because to be truthful would mean you would have to stop and actually respect someone who may be your polar-opposite, politically, and what if we aren't polar-opposites? You've not asked me my opinions because it's easier to assume your own self-righteous posture when you simply assume, as opposed to ascertain. As for the website, the website administrator should be responsible for performing the duties of a 'hardcopy' media/news distributor, and ensure that literary works follow the canons of journalism. The owner, well that may or not be the same person as the editor, if it's not the same person, then he/she also incurs the same responsibility.

        4. Not that I doubt the veracity of your claim to be the daughter of a refugee from 'Anschluss',  but are you sure you don't mean 'Auschwitz'? See, I grew up in Germany, and I was taught Germany history, geography, and language. 'Anschluss' literally mean 'to join', and is referenced as the annexation of Germany, and Austria, in 1938. 'Auschwitz' is one of the more famous concentration camps, camps that had gas chambers that killed millions of Jews: Germans, Poles, and a few Russians & Americans, if I recall. (No pun intended.) Honest mistake? It happens. Right?

        5. I saw a comment when I was scrolling, about my list of achievements, where the commenter said something to the effect of 'Look at me! Look how good I am!' That wasn't the intended spirit at all. He/she (and anyone else who feels the same) is missing the true purpose behind my list:

        A.) Is it mutually agreed that someone active in their community, and to the variety of events, might actually CARE about others; complete strangers, and want to make life (or death – I'm not being impertinent, some of the people I served were veterans who passed away, and had requested that other veterans stand up for them, to see them to their final resting places) better for them? Does that sound like a bigot, racist, or Nazi? It doesn't to me. 

        B.) Is it mutually agreed that someone with a variety of interests might just be devoting herself: time, energy, money.. to a cause that YOU care about, too?

        C.) Might it be, just possible that someone committed to service to others: caring for them, may be 'teaching by example', their children, perhaps, to even KNOW what it means to serve their fellow man (and woman!), their community, and to be committed to civic engagement?

        Could it be that 'we'.. any of you, and I, have the same interest in the same causes, or interests, in general? I could see some things that are similar between myself, and a few of you. MJ55 because of her heritage, and my childhood; Duke Cox because of his nationality; Pseudonymous, for his humor (touche' sir – that was a fine quip); Conserv. Head Banger, for his love of AC/DC, I 'salute' you (pun intended). (P.S. Def Leppard is better!)
        4 out of 10, or 2/5ths of you.. I could find at least one piece of common ground with, and maybe more if communication didn't have to be insults, and snide remarks.

        I noted my association with Shane Donnelley, and emphasized that I do not represent to speak for anyone but myself. (8th paragraph)

        You're welcome for my service, sacrifice, and selflessness.

        I didn't mention my status as an U.S. Air Force Veteran to impress, nor to imply that my status as such 'automatically makes me right about political issues'.
        You haven't even asked me what my position is on any issue, yet you judge me to be guilty of being a bigot, racist, anti-Semitic, and/or Nazi supporter.
        How astute of you.
        I mentioned my status because I'm proud of my service, as I have a right to be.
        I served honorably, and sacrificed time I missed spending with my firstborn as a toddler, to fly across the Atlantic Ocean to be assigned to a remote Portuguese island, to support the aviators of OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM.
        I volunteered for that temporary duty to stand up to the tyranny of then-Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, because I believed ending his aggression on the Northern Kurds, his own people, was the right thing to do.
        I participate in the organizations I participate in, or have participated in, due to my belief in the mission, and success of that mission, not for a pin, badge, or ribbon.
        I stand up to the attempted un-Constitutional gun-grab by Liberal/Progressive Democrats in an effort to prevent what happened in dictator-led countries from happening in Colorado, and the United States. Dictators are what you get when you implement Socialism, and Communism, which is where I see this State, and Nation heading.
        I would mention my stances on other issues, but I'm convinced they would fall on deaf ears, as you collectively snicker, and mock me as being self-righteous. Go ahead. Laugh, and mock. I am secure in my self-esteem, and your cruelty, and bullying does not faze me. Your own hateful rhetoric, and undeserved criticism is shameful.
        Whatever evidence anyone has on Shane Donnelley, or Judy Spady, is for Shane and Judy to explain. I am neither of them, and they are not me. As for that same evidence, it was never Shared with me in any format: social media, or otherwise. Maybe because I live my life, and don't stalk other's Facebook Timelines, I never saw the evidence, but if so, that's even more reason for you to consider that lumping me, and more than 28,000 other concerned Coloradans into your judgmental, and prejudiced opinions, as bigots, racists, or Nazi supporters is ignorant, and repugnant. I do pray for you, and I say that with goodwill and earnest hope that one day politics will not be the divisive entity in which we suffer from one political campaign to another.

        Perhaps one day, a man's or woman's service to this State, and this Country, in whatever capacity: police, medical, military, and political will be something that means something to people who are ungrateful now. That day may come when the police and military protect both you, and your rights; medicine heals and cures you; and politics is restored to represent you, and your wishes in your Local, State, and Federal governments.

        Sincerely,

        Christine A. Martinez,
        American, Coloradan,
        USAF Veteran

         

        1. 4 Anschluss was indeed, the annexation of Austria by Germany. I am usually precise in language, as you will find if you keep posting on here. Mom was Austrian, and ethnically the family were Jewish on both sides. She saw Hitler speak. She said that he was mesmerizing, that people wanted to believe what he said, they wanted to be part of the emotional wave he built, but that he spoke complete nonsense. It was all distortions and lies.

          Not just nonsense…bigoted, hateful rhetoric that targeted my mother's family as Jews. They had to leave Austria – liquidate everything and go. They were lucky to be able to make it. Some refugees were turned around on the boats in sight of Lady Liberty and sent back. Kind of like what we're doing with Central American and Muslim refugees today. Which you are all gung ho to keep on doing. Tell me….why is it fine to hate on people of one religion, but wrong to hate on people from another? They’re both worshippers of the same God. They both use the same first books of the Bible. Why is anti Semitism wrong, but Islamophobia is fine and dandy?

          They are families, too, with little children and elders, not the monsters your President paints them to be.

          Whether you are yourself anti-semitic is not for me to judge. I know you're anti-Muslim, and anti-immigrant. I've read those posts of yours. Like Shane and Judy, you have cleaned your Facebook page of anything too extreme.

          I specifically, and precisely said that if the leadership of your organization: Shane, Judy, now Juli-Andra…post and write anti-Semitic things, which they all indeed have, that is disturbing. I stand by that.

          You say you want " that one day politics will not be the divisive entity in which we suffer from one political campaign to another." Fine words. What are you doing to make that happen?  Based on my friend's experience of your site, most of the commenters hate Democrats, hate liberals, hate progressives, call us "snowflakes" when we mourn for the children shot in schools and locked up in cages.

          Good luck getting anyone not in your 30% of extreme conservatives to sign a recall petition, with those attitudes. I don't fear for Polis. He'll be a good governor, and you all will learn to live with the red flag bill just as you did with the other "DOOM" of the magazine limit and the background check. Nobody's coming for your guns as long as you're not threatening anyone or hurting people or property with them.

          181 will regulate oil and gas operations, and prioritize public health over profit, but those 30,000 working in the industry will still have their jobs.

          People like myself, who suffered in abusive relationships, will have the security of knowing that at least there is a process to make sure the abuser won't be armed. Colorado's 9 delegate votes will go to the winner of the popular vote, as they have done for the last 6 years. And you all survived that, without even a boo-boo to kiss.

          You all will have to calm down from your drama , turn off Fox, and listen to people who might not agree with you.  Seriously, you should hone your "talking to regular people skills" because honey, right now, you are not showing any ability to go out and get anybody to sign anything.

          -mj

           

          1. Hi, MJ55!

            Thank you for clarifying your statement of your mother being a refugee from Anschluss. The persecution of Jews in Europe prior to, and during World War II was a HORRENDOUS practice, for which no excuse can be made!
            I am in complete sympathy with you, and your family for the duress they had to endure, and the uncertain future they faced as they fled Anschluss. I thought you meant a refugee from Auschwitz, as in 'liberated' from the concentration camp, and allowed to leave. Again, no disrespect was ever intended, just clarification.

            Please allow me to answer your question: "why is it fine to hate on people of one religion, but wrong to hate on people from another?"
            without you putting words in my mouth, as you obviously do, spreading another untruth: implying that I hate anyone.
            My support for deporting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is precisely that:
            ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. If people want to come to the United States, there's a PROCESS for that: apply to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office and get a visa. (https://www.dhs.gov/topic/immigration-and-customs-enforcement)
            Why is a process hard to follow? What gives illegal immigrants the right to cross our national border without permission, to then inundate our social welfare systems? They're not political refugees, nor seeking asylum. If they truly wish to come to America to 'improve their state of living, and have a brighter future', they will observe ALL of our laws, beginning with our immigration laws.
            Also, I am not 'against' Muslims, specifically Syrian refugees being allowed to come to the U.S., I *AM* 'against' Syrians being IMPORTED to the U.S. under Obama's Administration. Specifically, Obama's IMPORTATION of 69,987 Syrians in 2014; ALMOST 700% times the '10,000' he stated he wished to allow entry.
            Almost 700%!!! Think about that!
            WHY was this importation never mentioned until November 18, 2015 when EVERY Colorado legislator in attendance wrote to then-Governor Hickenlooper, and released a letter stating their opposition to the importation, as well as the direct-importation to Colorado?
            See: http://www.cairco.org/cairco-docs/letter-to-hickenlooper-syrian-refugees-2015nov18.pdf. [Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform (CAIRCO): 'Colorado General Assembly letter to Governor Hickenlooper: suspend Syrian refugee resettlement'; Published: November 18, 2015: http://www.cairco.org/news/colorado-general-assembly-letter-governor-hickenlooper-suspend-syrian-refugee-resettlement; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
            I was there; I know; I remember. Did you know?
            My stance on immigration policy has NOTHING to do with HATRED, NOR RELIGION. NOTHING! It has EVERYTHING to do with FOLLOWING LAWS, and ensuring immigrants are vetted. PERIOD.
            As for your statement: "They are families, too, with little children and elders, not the monsters your President paints them to be." please see a meme I posted to Facebook November 18, 2015, after researching the veracity of the CO legislators' letter to Hickenlooper:
            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1248534971828886&set=pb.100000171849542.-2207520000.1553713489.&type=3&theater.
            Also, I don't want to turn this post into a picture show, as I believe you can do your own research: 'pictures of U.S.-Mexico border illegal immigrants'. This picture is from 2015: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hvH7R0XqSiw/maxresdefault.jpg
            [Bing: 'Pictures of U.S.-Mexico border Illegal Immigrants': https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+u.s.-mexico+border+illegal+immigrants&id=11AFB73865C813E0C1BC86E87270FE98D0479F2E&FORM=IQFRBA
            ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
            What I really wanted to show is the 70,000+ illegal immigrants storming the U.S.-Mexico border in February 2019, but can't find the pictures I saw last month. Instead, here's the official 'publicly-released' information from U.S.D.H.S.: ICE: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration.
            Here's a picture of immigrants from Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico TIME magazine published in October 2018:  https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-honduras-guatemala-mexico-1.jpg
            [TIME: Time.com: Files: 'Migrant Caravan: Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico: Published October 2018: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-honduras-guatemala-mexico-1.jpg; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
            Women & children, and families? Yes, well, maybe. Terrorists? Possibly. Illegal immigrants? Absolutely.
            P.S. Do you KNOW, or CARE, how this migrant caravan affects WOMEN, or our ENVIRONMENT and ecosystems in southern California, Arizona, Texas,, and northern Mexico, at the border?
            I know, and care.
            Do you believe Breitbart.com is biased when they report on the number of women and girls, as young as the age of 10 years old, being raped on their journey through Central, and South America, to the U.S.?
            See: https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/03/12/teen-migrant-claims-she-was-repeatedly-raped-during-journey-to-u-s/ .
            What about bias from a low-immigration/pro-immigration organization? I share this article published on Center for Immigration Studies' website, written by Andrew R. Arthur, entitled: 'Will The Last Person In Central American Please Turn Out The Lights?', today, March 27, 2019, which states: "In just the last five months, 0.47 percent of the population of Guatemala and 0.645 percent of the population of Honduras has been arrested along the Southwest border, stretching U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) resources to the point that Border Patrol highway checkpoints are being shuttered and CBP officers are being pulled from the ports of entry in order to handle the flow."
            Yes, for the math-inclined readers: 47% of Guatemala's, and 64+1/2% of Honduras' populations have abandoned their homes & communities, and trekked northward towards America!
            [Center for Immigration Studies: Andrew R. Arthur: 'Will The Last Person In Central America Please Turn Out The Lights?'; https://cis.org/Arthur/Will-Last-Person-Central-America-Please-Turn-Out-Lights; Published: March 27, 2019; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]

            FYI: I'm not sure what either Shane Donnelley, or Judy Spady did to their Facebook pages, but *I* have done NOTHING. Not clean-up, as you accuse, which is both ignorant and unfair, nor edit. I am not ashamed of my beliefs, and opinions. Nothing you say, as you (in general) badger and attempt to shame me.
            As you stated: "if the leadership of your organization: Shane, Judy, now Juli-Andra…post and write anti-Semitic things, which they all indeed have, that is disturbing. I stand by that."
            I *AGREE*!!! 100%!!
            The problem is, that *I* too, could be considered 'leadership', as a Moderator on the Facebook page of the Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis group. I have not, EVER have written anything anti-Semitic, nor do I HATE anyone based on RELIGION.
            I am opposed to being lumped in, or painted with a broad-brush that should be reserved solely for the person, or people, who write, or post anti-Semitic remarks.

            Lastly, I'd like to correct your statistic on the oil & gas industry in Colorado, in regards to how many jobs are in that industry.
            Derek Draplin of Colorado WatchDog.org, published an article yesterday, March 26, 2019, regarding a report conducted by "the Global Energy Management Program at the University of Colorado Denver and paid for by the Colorado Oil & Gas Association (COGA), found the industry accounts for 89,000 direct and indirect jobs and makes up $13.5 billion of Colorado’s gross domestic product (GDP).", which states: "The study estimated that if the legislation were to shut down 50 percent of new oil and gas production, by 2030 the state would see 120,000 fewer jobs and $8 billion in lost tax revenue. It would also mean $158 billion in lost GDP over a decade, the study said.
            If the legislation were to shut down 100 percent of new oil and gas production, it would mean 185,000 fewer jobs and $13.5 billion in lost tax revenue, in addition to $257 billion in lost revenue, according to the study.            ", and: "The report said $234.7 million in income taxes and more than $457 million in property taxes contribute to $993.3 million in tax revenue from the industry, which funds local and state government programs in education and infrastructure, among others.

            “Unlike other industries, oil and natural gas extraction establishments pay royalties and taxes on the value production, in addition to taxes paid on earnings,” the report said. “The state receives royalties for oil and gas production from state and federal lands and severance taxes on all production in Colorado.” [WatchDog.org: Derek Draplin, Colorado News Editor: 'Colorado’s oil and gas industry contributes $1 billion in taxes, $13.5 billion to GDP': Published: March 26, 2019; https://www.watchdog.org/colorado/colorado-s-oil-and-gas-industry-contributes-billion-in-taxes/article_ddc40b5a-4fea-11e9-a857-6ffc277017d7.html ; Internet, Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
            Notice that the report specifies 'new' oil & gas production, but I'm sure that any restrictions will, in fact, affect existing production, and jobs.
            So your statement: "181 will regulate oil and gas operations, and prioritize public health over profit, but those 30,000 working in the industry will still have their jobs." is incorrect, ma'am.
            You may also want to check The Washington Times for their article entitled: 'With Hickenlooper out, Colorado's empowered environmentalists target oil and gas industry', written by Valerie Richardson, published March 17, 2019, who writes: “That bill, SB 181, make no mistake, it has nothing to do with public health and safety and everything to do with banning energy development in the state of Colorado,” said Amy Oliver Cooke, executive vice president of the free-market Independence Institute, and reports: "The nation’s fifth-largest producer of natural gas, Colorado fossil-fuel development supported nearly 233,000 jobs in 2015, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration."
            Furthermore, the same article reports: "Republicans, rural Coloradans and industry officials have warned of brutal economic consequences. A REMI Partnership study released Tuesday by industry groups estimated that a 50 percent reduction in production by 2030 would wipe out 120,000 jobs and $8 billion in state and local tax revenue.
            “Let’s not forget that there will be pain if this bill passes,” state Sen. Rob Woodward, a Republican, said before Wednesday’s vote. “People will lose their jobs, people will lose their homes, people will lose their businesses. And as we all know when this happens, marriages will crumble, suicides will increase. It’s not a pretty picture.” [The Washington Times: HOME: NEWS: NATIONAL: Valerie Richardson: 'With Hickenlooper out, Colorado's empowered environmentalists target oil and gas industry'; Published: March 17, 2019; https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/17/colorado-democrats-hit-oil-gas-drilling-industry/ ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]

            Please note that NONE of my resources are from FOX NEWS, which you incorrectly assume I get my news from FOX; I don't. And, for the record, before I take information from any one, or multiple sources, and treat their word as Gospel, I conduct additional research to obtain a fair, broad-view of the news.
            Thank you!

            Sincerely,

            Christine A. Martinez,
            American, Coloradan,
            USAF Veteran

            1. As you stated: "if the leadership of your organization: Shane, Judy, now Juli-Andra…post and write anti-Semitic things, which they all indeed have, that is disturbing. I stand by that."
              I *AGREE*!!! 100%!!

              That horrible crunching sound you hear? That's Christine, throwing Shane, Judy, and now Juli-Andra under the bus. 

              Beep! Beep! 

              2. Hi, Curmudgeon! 

                The quote was MJ55's, and I agree that people who write and post anti-Semitic comments, is disturbing, and they should be the ones held accountable. That's not throwing anyone 'under the bus'.
                I went on to state I could be considered 'leadership' as a Moderator on the Official Recall Colorado Governor Jared Polis Facebook webpage, did I not?
                I've never written anti-Semitic posts. I don't deserve to be called a Nazi, nor punished for someone else's viewpoints or actions. I have stated repeatedly, I don't speak for anyone but myself.
                Accountability is about taking responsibility for one's action(s). Blaming EVERYONE is neither accurate, nor acceptable. 
                I am *opposed* to being lumped in with people who have done or said things which I have not.
                If you have an issue with someone's action(s), please take it up with that person.
                Thank you.

                Sincerely,

                Christine A. Martinez,
                American, Coloradan,
                USAF Veteran

                1. Accountability is about taking responsibility for one's action(s). Blaming EVERYONE is neither accurate, nor acceptable. 
                  I am *opposed* to being lumped in with people who have done or said things which I have not.
                  If you have an issue with someone's action(s), please take it up with that person.
                  Thank you.

                  Wouldn't accountability include taking stock of the actions and beliefs of the people you associate with? You're still in that group, are you not?  You didn't leave in protest of Anti-Semitic comments? 

            2. Christine,

              I've seen all those links before. Breitbart has no credibility.

              I thought I was a linker.  If you're going to insist on hanging out here, for your own reasons*, let me teach you how to format links in text, and bold headings, so that your posts are at least legible.

              (*probably to lessen your culture shock at learning how the majority of Coloradans think, and to prepare on how to talk with people outside your bubble. I believe Powerful Pear, who ran for Federal office last year, used us for pretty much the same purposes. )

              Linking text

              Here's what you do. Have two windows or tabs open. Copy the entire address of the one you want to link to. With that in memory, go back to your Pols post, and highlight one or two words relevant to  the link. Click the little chain icon in the menu above, paste your url in the url box, and click OK. Presto – you've linked text. Someone might actually read what you write.

              And the return key, paragraphing like ideas, is your friend. As I tell my students, one essay-length paragraph is unkind to your readers. As you take an occasional breath when your are hectoring a potential petition signer, hit enter and paragraph when you are writing.

              Por ejemplo

              Caravan immigrants are not ISIS terrorists.

              Caravan immigrants are seeking asylum from gang violence and horrific conditions in Central American countries. Asylum is a legal right for refugees, put in place after the WWII Holocaust. Refugees are not breaking the law when they come to our borders seeking asylum.

              On the oil and gas jobs issue, you are quoting inflated  numbers from studies specially commissioned by COGA, propaganda arm of Colorado's oil and gas industry. Voyageur agrees with you and all of the industry flacks.

              Here are the actual oil and gas numbers from the Colorado Department of Labor, which investigates in depth, calling employers, looking at taxes and official documents.

              Last year, in 2018, there were about 26,000 jobs in Colorado directly related to oil and gas exraction.  See for yourself. Go to Colorado Dept. of Labor and Employment, Labor Market Analysis, Industry profile,, and look up “extraction”. Oil and gas extraction is part of the Mining, Logging, and Construction sector, but most of that is building construction.

              Currently, there are

              For extraction workers in 2018,  there were 24, 853 annual job openings.

              A search with keyword "oil" turns up other occupations, such as rotary drillhead operator. That one only had 179 annual openings.

              Support workers for mining operations is only .6% of all jobs in Colorado now, not the huge sector COGCC likes to brag on. Oil and gas extraction as a whole comprises about 3% of all jobs in Colorado.

              Regardless of whether you beleive the Colorado Department of Labor, or the industry mouthpiece about the number of jobs, Senate Bill 181 won’t put anyone out of work. It will make extraction of oil more expensive and less profitable, since it will mandate complying with health and safety requirements, installing monitoring equipment, and capping off abandoned wells and pipes. That’s what prioritizing public health over profit looks like. Unless you like blowing up people’s houses and oilfield workers as part of the “cost of doing business”.

              -mj

               

               

        2. Perhaps one day, a man's or woman's service to this State, and this Country, in whatever capacity: police, medical, military, and political will be something that means something to people who are ungrateful now. 

          I have a long-standing policy of never questioning or deriding another veteran's service;  but as I recall, I was never promised a Thank You from anyone. 

          You're welcome for my service, sacrifice, and selflessness.

          Yeah, Lajes Field in Portugal seems like a real hell-hole. 

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lajes_Field#/media/File:Aeroporto_das_Lajes,_costa_Norte_da_ilha_Terceira,_A%C3%A7ores,_Portugal.JPG

          2. Just for context on what I’m about to say, I’m a veteran, too.

            I grew up in a time when service was not unexpected, probably even taken for granted.  It’s just what you, or many people, did.  Not unadmirable, but really, no big deal.

            That’s kind of the attitude that had persisted from the beginning of this country.  You were a citizen, you served, you went back to civilian life, and you continued to be a citizen.  Service was not unlike a phase, adolescence or puberty, that everyone or almost everyone went through.

            Admittedly, it probably did underrecognize the important service and commitments that many individuals had made.  We still had our heros, those exceptionally brave or accomplished folks, those who had made terrible sacrifice.  But, again, for the most part it was more the norm, something that people you saw countless times everyday also had done.  In a sense, they, we, I, were nothing all that special.

            Then came the day of all volunteer service.  Many reasons for this, and many outcomes also.  Like anything that has multiple outcomes some could probably be labeled “good”, some “bad”.  I don’t particularly like those labels — they color and distort the reality of the world, and our perception of things and people.

            With the all-volunteer service, came a wave of outsourcing of previous military service functions.  The mundane logistics of supply and support that used to be performed by countless soldiers previously, were now then performed by private industry.  (The military logistics became a business, and the Cheneys and Haliburtons made huge money for the people at the top of the corporate chain, while the daily workers got minimum wage, no benefits, no retirement.  Military support became WalMart.)

            Again, this needed to happen.  Volunteer warriors were too far and few between, and too valuable to be used as clerks, typists, and food servers.  These warriors probably are “more special” than the rountine military servers of my day and prior.  A much higher percentage saw and participated in true combat and battle than ever before.

            But, too, society . . . circa 1980 and 1990 . . . every child is special, everybody in a contest deserves an award, everybody who participates gets a trophy, medal, ribbon, gold star, high five, personal recognition, self esteem . . . 

            I fear that that’s where we are today, where every requisite, knee-jerk, and reflexive “thankyou for your service” is just that — the participation reward that a generation that grew up on participation rewards, and has rooms stuffed full of these rewards over their years, and has taken hundreds of thousands of pictures recording every participation and dessert eaten in their life, has brought us to, comes to expect, is “entitled” to demand. Where, “I served, and I’m more special and right” has overtaken and undertrodden the “we’re citizens (btw, we served, all citizens do in a way)” outlook of generations of countless American citizens.

            People meet an outcome — the all-volunteer service meets the “where’s my participation trophy” and the “I’m entitled to emote” generation?

             

             

            1. 'Shove your priority boarding’ — Aussie vets call airline’s veteran benefit offer ‘too American’

              The Australian government announced this past weekend that Virgin Australia airlines would be offering priority boarding — and in-flight acknowledgements of military service — to the nation’s veterans as part of a continued national effort to recognize those who served.

              But in a rare twist of 21st century humility, Australians have collectively told the airline to, as renowned wordsmith Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson would say, take the offer, shine it up real nice, turn that sum’bitch sideways and stick it straight up Virgin’s candy ass.

              “It’s a very American thing to do," Mike Carlton, author and Australian military historian, told the New York Times. "We’re not quite as loud or noisy as that. Australians are a little more subtle.”

              “But Mike,” the unique sect of stereotypical dressed-like-an-operator vets might be thinking, “how in heaven’s name will Australian vets receive enough face-melting thank-you-for-your-service gratitude without shouting about service from a mountaintop?”

              “It’s just not in our nature to do stuff like that," Carlton told the Times. “Almost any veteran I can think of would be hideously embarrassed by being singled out like that. I’ve interviewed a lot of them for my books. … They would hate the notoriety of being singled out.”

              1. U.S. Airlines don't provide Priority Boarding for vets, only "uniformed military personnel", which can cause headaches of its own, as a lot of active duty personnel don't travel in uniform

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

            2. For the most part, what Dio said.

              F or the 68,000 of my comrades whose names are on that wall, nothing can ever repay their sacrifice.

              Likewise, the survivors like John McCain, and thousands of other disabled vets.

              But 85 percent of us never saw combat.  Our sacrifice was mostly being called "nickeldick" for tw o months in basic training and really ugly haircuts every week, without fail, for two years.

              My Vietnam generation, as John Kerry said, sacrificed for a "mistake." 

               So did the Iraqi war vets.

              Yet, you don't get to pick your country or your wars.  And without vets like my father-in-law, a combat engineer who fought in Normandy, the world would lie under the foul stench of Nazism.

              We are the knights of the ambivalent banner.

              and thus it has often been.

              The crusaders liberated Jerusalem — and murdered the Jews who had survived under Muslim rule.

              The Haganah saved a people from a second holocaust — and its successors seem resigned to a second apartheid at the expense of the Palestinians.

              As Catch 22 said, the enemy is whoever is trying to kill you.

              But, no, ms Martinez, veteran status never gives you the right to repress the rights of others. And unless you have at least a purple heart, you really didn’t do dip-squat.

          3. Hi, Curmedgeon!

            I agree with your statement: 'you were never promised a 'Thank You' from anyone', in part.
            You see, our 16th U.S. President, Abraham Lincoln said: "To care for him who shall have borne the battle and his widow, and his orphan.", as part of his 2nd inaugural speech in Washington, D.C., March 4, 1865, is the motto of the United States Department of Veterans Affairs adopted in 1959. (Full context of the paragraph that statement is taken from is: "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.")
            [U.S. Dept. of Veterans Affairs: Celebrating America's Freedoms: 'The Origin of the VA Motto: Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural Address': https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/vamotto.pdf; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]

            What I *was* promised, was that in return for my service, a grateful nation would ensure that I would be cared for (I believe that meant the aspect of  'medical' care.), and that is why I worked with the Concerned Veterans For America (CV4A) – Denver chapter to ensure that ALL veterans, not just myself, get access to adequate, and timely healthcare, and treatments. The other purpose of CV4A is to call for accountability within the VA to hold VA officials accountable for the failures of the VA to ensure the care for veterans. 
            Sadly, I was at the Denver Veterans Affairs Medical Center, or 'Eastern Colorado Healthcare System', in June 2015 when a veteran committed suicide by firearm in his personal vehicle, in the parking garage, as I was driving through the levels of the garage to park for an appointment. 
            I fully-expect readers to clamor to their 'this is why we need gun control!' battle stations. In truth, this is why we need to ensure that the VA upholds the principle to which it states it is committed to. When veterans are marginalized, and denied any aspect of medical care, or 'adequate' medical care, to which they are entitled by government statute, it's not to hard to understand why they may choose to commit suicide. That is the tragedy of veteran suicides, and it's a tragedy that's preventable, if the VA does more than lip-service to veterans.

            I stated my welcome to MJ55 who thanked me for my service, sacrifice, and selflessness. I believe well-mannered individuals should respond to other individuals who take a moment to say 'thank you'. Therefore, my statement. How can I ask for respect and civil discourse if I do not practice it myself?

            Lajes Field, Azores… hmmm.. I wouldn't say it's a 'hell-hole'. It's certainly not as technologically-developed as other bases go, but better than a jungle or desert, for sure. The surrounding community of stone-washed, concrete, and tile-roofed buildings, and the lush, green pastures are a beautiful backdrop, for sure. I arrived at Lajes Field in the wee hours of a January morning in 1991 in the middle of a strong thunderstorm: the pilot landed the plane as lightning flashed, as the North Atlantic Ocean frothed with fury, on a runway 180' feet above the waves. ('It was a dark, and stormy night…') 🙂
            The commissary received shipments of food, beverages, condiments, etc., much as any commissary does. Being on an island, you're kinda at the whim of resources being adequately stocked, and furnished. It's was no picnic, as the expression goes, to be sure. Basic supplies took months to get. Thank God for the Portuguese, is all I can say!

            Thanks for sharing the pictures of Lajes from Wikipedia.
            Did you read the single-mention in the article of Lajes' role in the Gulf War, during OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM (that they don't specify, other than to say "Gulf War", but hey, it's Wikipedia)?
            "Lajes supported the large airlift during the Gulf War. On the first day of the deployment over 90 aircraft transited Lajes. Strategic Air Command (SAC) created a provisional tanker wing, the 802nd Air Refueling Wing (P) Provisional, at Lajes to support the airlift. At the height of the operation a peak of 33 tanker aircraft and 600 troops deployed to Lajes. Soon after the Gulf War ended, Lajes command changed from Air Mobility Command, to Air Combat Command." [Wikipedia: Lajes Field: History: 1.3: 'Post-Carnation Revolution': Paragraph 5; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lajes_Field; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]  
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Gulf_War_Photobox.jpg
            [Wikipedia: Gulf War: Picture: Gulf War PhotoBox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
            The lead/center aircraft, an F-16 is from 'SJ' (see their tails), meaning Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, North Carolina; the lighter-gray F-16 above but to the lead's right wing, is from 'BT', Bitburg Air Force Base, Germany. Wish I could see the tails of the others. This tidbit of information is probably only interesting to me, as I love aircraft & aviation.
            In any case, I was one of those 600 members deployed there at the operation's peak. I was also one of the first in. Not a huge deployment, by any definition. Kandahar Air Base, Afghanistan, by comparison has approximately 20,000 military and civilians.

            Please accept my gratitude, and accept my THANK YOU for your service, sir.

            That said, please use my statement which you quoted, with the entire comment posted, to retain the context-intended.
            "Perhaps one day, a man's or woman's service to this State, and this Country, in whatever capacity: police, medical, military, and political will be something that means something to people who are ungrateful now. That day may come when the police and military protect both you, and your rights; medicine heals and cures you; and politics is restored to represent you, and your wishes in your Local, State, and Federal governments." – meaning, that people protect your 2nd Amendment Constitutional right to bear arms, and people in medicine/the medical field heal, and cures you, and politicians represent you as you ask to be represented.

            Thank you!!

            Sincerely,

            Christine A. Martinez,
            American, Coloradan,
            USAF Veteran

            1. So, you were a REMF – Rear Echelon, uhh, “Support Personnel?” And used this latest, endless, orgy of self-congratulation to brag about it?

              So, fuck you for your service, REMF.

              2. Hi, Voyageur,

                Your comment, in its entirety, is not only INEXCUSABLY *RUDE*, it is also marginalizing, and demeaning.
                Allow me to state I *am* considered a 'combat veteran' because I served during an expedition or campaign, but because I did not deploy to the 'front lines' and did not engage in actual combat (as you know combat is something the majority of female veterans, and current female servicemembers have been, and are shielded from) I don't call myself a "combat veteran".
                And to call me 'Rear-echelon' MF (yes, I know what 'MF' refers to) exhibits your ignorance, and offensively-crude rudimentary possession of the English language far better than I could have demonstrated, as I was one of the first Airfield Management Specialists to deploy in support of OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM, and for your information, my AFSC (MOS) is considered "essential personnel", and we ARE the ones who provide Air Traffic Control, Ground Control, Radar Approach Control, and Airfield Management, without which, there wouldn't be any airfield operations, and mission-support, thereof.
                As a Journeyman Airfield Management Specialist, I could've been (and still could be!) deployed ANYWHERE; the U.S. Air Force, in its wisdom, chose Lajes Field, Azores. I was *willing* to go to Iraq or Saudi Arabia, and stated that on my volunteer for deployment, submitted to my (then) local Personnel Readiness Center, at the Consolidated Base Personnel Office (CBPO) where I was stationed in August 1990.
                Thank you for your offer, but, declined, sir.
                Thank you.

                Sincerely,

                Christine A. Martinez,
                American, Coloradan,
                USAF Veteran

            2. Sadly, I was at the Denver Veterans Affairs Medical Center, or 'Eastern Colorado Healthcare System', in June 2015 when a veteran committed suicide by firearm in his personal vehicle, in the parking garage, as I was driving through the levels of the garage to park for an appointment.  

              Are you sure that wasn't in April? I don't see any reports of a suicide there in June of 2015. 

               

               

              1. Hi, Curmudgeon!

                I'm sure it wasn't April 2015. I don't see an article of report in the news either, not until August 3, 2016, by KDVR.com, FOX31, Channel 2 News, by David Mitchell: Police investigate man's death in VA Medical Center parking garage', but I'm pretty sure it was June 2015, as I was driving through the parking garage levels to park for an appointment. [KDVR: FOX31: Channel 2 News: David Mitchell: 'Police investigate man's death in VA Medical Center parking garage'; Published: August 3, 2016; https://kdvr.com/2016/08/03/police-investigate-mans-death-in-va-medical-center-parking-garage/ ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
                I know a gunshot when I hear one, and I, like other veterans arriving for appointments, had to wait in our vehicles until VA Police cleared the parking garage of threats, from just after noon, for several hours.
                I found several other articles about veterans committing suicide at VA hospitals, from St. Louis, to Pittsburgh, to New York, just as you did, I'm sure; these are not an exhaustive list of veteran suicides at VA hospitals, as many more than a handful of veterans have committed suicide on VA property & at VA hospitals.
                The VA has refused to publicize all of the veteran suicides, and still refuses to disclose exactly how many veterans commit suicide on VA property. See this article entitled: '"Parking Lot" Suicides Roil VA', in Military.com, written by Richard Sisk. 
                Reading the article, I learned of the Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and the Durham, North Carolina incidents.
                Just because it doesn't appear in a search, or hit the news, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
                [Military.com: Richard Sisk: '"Parking Lot" Suicides Roil VA': Published August 14, 2017; https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/14/parking-lot-suicides-roil-va-hospitals.html ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
                Thank you!

                Sincerely,

                Christine A. Martinez,
                American, Coloradan,
                USAF Veteran

                1. Oh, no, I'm not doubting it happened.  I just think if you're claiming some kind of attachment to it, you should at least get the date right.  

                   

                  1. Hi, Curmudgeon!

                    As I stated: "I'm sure it wasn't April", in response to your question: "Are you sure it wasn't April?"
                    I see the KDVR FOX31, and Channel 2 News article on the KDVR website, KDVR.com: 'Man found dead in front of VA medical center after suspected suicide', April 6, 2015.
                    [KDVR FOX31, Channel 2 News: April 6, 2015:
                    https://kdvr.com/2015/04/06/man-found-dead-in-front-of-denver-va-medical-center-after-suspected-suicide/ ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
                    I specified: Upon completing a search of news reports (like you did), "I didn't find another article until August 3, 2016, by KDVR.com, FOX31, Channel 2 News, by David Mitchell: 'Police investigate man's death in VA Medical Center parking garage', but I'm pretty sure it was June 2015, as I was driving through the parking garage levels to park for an appointment." [KDVR: FOX31: Channel 2 News: David Mitchell: 'Police investigate man's death in VA Medical Center parking garage'; Published: August 3, 2016; https://kdvr.com/2016/08/03/police-investigate-mans-death-in-va-medical-center-parking-garage/ ; Internet. Accessed: March 27, 2019.]
                    Again, "Just because it doesn't appear in a search, or hit the news, doesn't mean it didn't happen."
                    I don't write the news; I just read it, and sometimes share it.
                    Thank you!

                    Sincerely,

                    Christine A. Martinez,
                    American, Coloradan,
                    USAF Veteran

                    1. You tend to fixate on (and shout about) secondary details, while leaving out big pieces of info that people can "fill in the blanks" without you actually lying.  

                2. Wrong, braggart girl.  You aren't classified as a combat veteran cuz you didn't do combat.

                  Or even come within a thousand miles of it.

                  But I am super impressed at the hardship you suffered when the PX at Lajes Field ran short of panty hose.  Suffered with those runs for a whole week, didja Girlie?

                  The horror, the horror.

                  REMF braggart girl.

                  1. Hi, Voyageur,

                    Ostensibly you should read more, and speak less-ignorantly.
                    Dismissed.
                    Thank you.

                    Sincerely,

                    Christine A. Martinez,
                    American, Coloradan,
                    USAF Veteran

                    1. Sorry, Braggart Girl. "Ostensibly " doesn't mean what you think it does.  You meant "Obviously" as in "Obviously, the Braggart Girl doesn't know shit from Shinola."

                       i was an E-5 on the staff at West Point and my brother a E-8.  So we're the ones who will tell Braggart Girl when to fall out.

                      And you are a true REMF.

    3. Bless your little heart. Your rhetoric reads as though the Dems came to power in some sort of power grab, skirting the election and rule of law. Reality is, where were you all last November when we had an election so your voices and votes were heard? Oh yeah, you lost. The majority of Colorado doesn't think the way you all do and want to move on, looking toward the future and how our state government can work for all the people of Colorado, not just the red/right ones.

      It's also very telling how quickly you resort to using "gun grab" when referencing the red flag bill. What part of "well regulated militia" don't you understand? You can't cherry pick text in the Amendments to base your entire worldview and personality on, but reality is, that's exactly what your type does. 

      I'm very disappointed that your military training didn't knock some sense into you when it comes to gun safety, which is all this bill is. If you're not threatening others or suicide, then you have nothing to worry about. Why is that so hard to understand?

    4. It might behoove you to retract and remove your slanderous and libelous hit piece. 

      Oh my. It seems that Eva Braun here is unfamiliar with at least one relevant distinction.

  12. Holy shit! You really pissed off the Nazis, this time, Alva. You kept them up all night crafting their high school level rebuttal. Nice work, Alva.

    Christine…who the fuck do you think you are? I have been a hard working, tax-paying citizen of Colorado since 1973. Your phony,  red-necked, self righteousness simply identifies someone for whom facing the truth is impossible. The majority of Coloradans reject your holy war.

    You and your hateful, neo-christian, fascism is not supported by the majority of Colorado citizens. Remember when your God was placed in office by the Russians? Your party brayed incessantly that Dems should just get over it…and we did by organizing and kicking your asses at the ballot box.

    And now you are issuing threats…

    Gonna use your 2nd amendment remedies, Christine? I have a question, Christine…What makes you more American than me?

     

  13. Can someone help me out, here? Were the posts from  RecallPolis2019CM supposed to make them look like they're not a bunch of drooling, howling wackadoos? 

    Or was this just another trick from Alva, making fake posts to make them look like drooling, howling wackadoos? 

    I mean, what kind of person looks at those posts and thinks…"Perfect!" ?

      1. I suppose you're right.  Coming up with the …uhm….accomplishments (?) in Christine's "I actively participated in" list would have taken a sane person well past breakfast. 

      2. 😐

        Ok. Fair point indeed.

        But still- this would be a good way t increase the traffic that they point out you lack. That's got to be embarrasing.
         

        Besides – we all know you got to spend more time fixing the the big line.

      1. A reasonable suspicion, but I don' t think so.

        No one can cite an online bible college as proof of their totally not Nazi-ism without serious, sober, stupid thought. 

        1. It's like Trump.  I hear he's a teetotaler.  It's almost terrifying that what comes out of him does not come from a drunk mind.  One wonders if drinking might actually IMPROVE his disposition.  

          2. I suspect he doesn't drink because, as a crazy narcissist, he cannot afford to lose control for even a moment. The sort of belligerent, non-stop, war of words T***p lives in doubtless keeps him sober…for fear of receiving the disrespect he, and his fascists here in Colorado, so richly deserve. 

            T***p has two more obstacles on his way to capturing the goverment and making it his own…a Democratic congress, and the American people. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not support fascism, but there are still enough who do to make this a challenge we dare not fail to overcome.

            We have to take an anti-bullying campaign all the way to the Whitest House.

            1. He doesn't drink because his brother and his father died of alcoholism. Unfortunately, for him, abstaining from demon rum does nothing to mitigate his alcoholic personality. People have diagnosed him with all sorts of psychiatric conditions, but that one thing pretty much covers all the bases.

    2. Pretty sure you missed the point:

      These two are notNazis.

      However I would bet money there was a surf-punk parody band with that name back in the day.
      Though I may be thinking of the knotNazis – they had the same drummer.

  15. RecallPolis2019cm/Christine Martinez wrote:

    1. Journalism's first obligation is to the truth.

    Someone wake me up when the following adhere to that first point by the American Press Association: Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones from InfoWars, Jerome Corsi from InfoWars, Breitbart, and Newsmax.

    Sincerely,

    Conservative Head Banger  (AC/DC Rules!!)

    p.s. for Christine: not everyone who posts on Pols is a far left wing liberal. There are some genuine, common sense, conservatives here, like me.

  16. That’s the beauty and attraction on so many on-line schools . . . 

    . . . students can still attend, without having to worry about interrupting their busy regular day-drinking schedules.

    (Who needs a functioning reply box anyway? . . .

    . . . Fight incoherence with incoherence!)

  17. Things have gotten a bit heated up in here, so perhaps it's time to take a step back and contemplate the fact that we're all Americans. That which unites us is greater than that which divides us.

    Though we often differ as to means, there is generally extensive agreement as to ends. Much common ground exists. For purposes of this thread, I'm certain all reasonable, right-thinking people can agree that the effort to recall the governor (flaccid and ineffectual though it may be) is led by actual, literal Nazis. 

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