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Daily Kos has a bit on Sen. Bennet doing an interview with Katy Tur.
Article is fairly scathing … comments following are more direct and more scathing.
So, unless you support Medicare for all, with it's 30 trillion hit at taxpayers and guaranteeded alienation from thelabor movement, you arecast into the outer darkness.
Daily Kjos is stupid.
I think you skipped the part where your premiums go down by 30 trillion.
You mean the part where employer premiums go down by 30 trillion while individual taxes/ premiums go up $20 trillion? Yeah, I skipped that part.
But, surely, your employer will pass his savings on to you?
Sucker!
Retirees don't get "paychecks." Many of us like our Medicare Advantage plans, but enjoying your health insurance is forbidden under Warren and Sanders' plans.
Under your Medicare Advantage Plan, you still pay premiums and copays, and you are probably restricted to in-network doctors.
Under Medicare for All, you choose your doctor regardless of “network”, and don’t pay premiums or copays. Warren has laid it out in detail in this op ed, which is also posted on her website.
Unless you’re different than most people, you want to keep the doctors and care facilities you like. It isn’t the “insurance plan” you like.
Well- this is just not true.
My insurance plan is fine.
And it makes up approx 30-35% of the value of my compensation- active employment and paying pension.
I earned it.
I'm not going to get a raise when it goes away. INstead, I'll just pay higher taxes.
Approx 80-90 million Americans feel the same way – and almost none of them will vote for Warren or Sanders.
I agree with MADCO. The whole summary about Medicare for All is to strip 150+ million people of their health insurance in order to provide insurance for 15-20 million uninsureds. In other words, just like in the old Soviet Union, government will "solve" everything. I made a conscious choice of the service I want and I don’t need the far left trying to substitute their decision making for mine.
And aren't you being just a little arrogant to assume that you know what I want and don't want?
CHB, I wrote:
So you’re in the minority in terms of actually liking your plan, not just your providers. That’s your prerogative, and I’m not under any illusion that my arguments will change your mind; I just want to get the facts out there.
Here’s the link to that Politico / Morning Consult study about what most healthcare consumers want. They (we) want to keep our doctors so that there is continuity of care, even through job and income changes.
As far as costs go, to MADCO’s point, higher tax costs are offset completely by lower premium and copay costs, with better health outcomes because of better efficiency ( medical staff can focus on providing health care, rather than on denying it or pricing it for max profit). You can see that graphically in the Rand Study for the New York Health Act, which gradually replaces private insurance via a progressive tax.
Right now in America, in your community, people are dying from lack of access to healthcare. I’ve lost several friends that way.How many more must die before America joins the rest of the industrialized world to offer public health care for all?
I don't agree because: most people do not understand their insurance plan.
They sure as hell don't understand the alternatives.
Of course, most people don't understand their car, smart phone, food, electricity, etc, etc. And yet we don't see serious people advocating for consumer choice to be eliminated.
Is it arrogant when the PUC assumes they know what consumers want for water, gas or electricity? No.
Medical insurance is not blue jeans. Or bread. Or clean air or tap water. Individual medical policies are complex. Group plans? Fuggeddaboutit. Medicare is not easy.
What most people focus on is the present and the past. But But medical insurance is all about predicting the future.
MFA that has no copays, no deductibles, no network, preauthorization required – is ridiculous.
It puts the consumer of medical services in charge – and it's like saying anyone who owns a car will know how to fix it. Rebuild my transmission? no – I need a new one.
Physical therapy and weight loss? Pfft – I need surgery and pills.
In the political moment – MFA is a loser.
The opposition campaigns are too easy:
Hey – seniors and diabled Americans on Medicare: the lefties are going to blow it up because it is too expensive. You earned your Medicare over a lifetime of work.
Everyone else: your doctor visits are going to be like filing taxes or visiting the DMV. Is that really what you want?
So, kiwi, you're saying that with medicare for all, people will stop dying?
You don’t get a raise- you get to keep the $500-$800 of your check that you normally spend on health insurance premiums- which, in effect, is a raise. You also have no (or low) copays.
There are different plans out there, and the sausage will get made in legislative chambers assuming that Dems take the Senate and White House – but my thought, like most of America, is to start from what we want – universal coverage and access to health care, rather than negotiating it all away from start.
Medicare for All, with no premiums or copays, at least as likely a scenario as you actually showing up for a Pols meetup. 😉
Nah, just some time in purgatory. . .
. . . until you finally see the light.
That hellish outer darkness is reserved exclusively for the worst of the worst — 10% tippers, people who don’t begin looking for their credit card in the checkout line until after the clerk has rung up the total, Hickenlooper doubters, and other vile blasphemers. (I’ll be the guy using a flashlight trying out barbecue sauce recipes.)
The mugwumps will hate this story but I give a hat tip to Katy Tur for asking the questions we should all be asking.
you're not wrong
But the winner is going to be moderate D or an R.
Or a perceived to be moderate D.
The weekend funnies. Check out this hilarious segment by Jimmy Kimmel titled, "Mar-a-Lego". I'm on the floor each time I watch it.
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/trump-introduces-mar-lego-holidays
Good one!
I like the fact that someone had to build that.
HI, honey. How was work today?
Omg – i'm working onth eis Lego model, and I had to figure out how to build lego flamingos.
Why has everyone forgotten that Trump and Manafort orchestrated a change to the GOP platform during the 2016 RNC convention to remove support for arming Ukraine against Russian aggression shocking the entire convention? Trump’s antipathy toward Ukraine for Putin’s benefit started long, long ago.
Because gaslighting works?
The fact that both Manafort and National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, while on the payroll of Russia, were pushing this theory is only now getting the media coverage it warrants.
Adam Smith's Invisible Hand of the Market is giving the O&G industry quite a spanking.
Rule 37/b . . .
It’s never a Ponzi scheme unless you’re a Republican talking about government benefits programs, Michael.
Corollary: Government giveaways to the wealthy are “economic stimulus” and “needed incentives,” but definitely not “benefits programs.”
This isn't a surprise. Posters like Pete Kolbenschlag, Michael Bowman, kwtree, and others have laid out details of this Ponzi scheme for a long time.The chickens have come home to roost for the Oily Boyz.
The Aramco IPO is likely to raise billions for Saudi Arabia. How much pressure will they be under to raise prices? None.
The investors are telling the shale drillers to put more skin in the game from Hip National Bank…
Something they are unlikely to do.
Update…I just read that Iran has announced it has recently discovered another big crude resource. Over 50 billion barrels. They are already 4th in the world in proven reserves.
Time for the Lords of Petroleum to see if T***p can extort someone on their behalf…instead of his.
I read that this morning, Harry. They've had it coming for a while. I've seen this movie before and I know how it ends. It's going to be 1982 all over again.
I’m thinking more like 2008? . . .
Yeah, if it were just the offender oil companies collapsing that would be one thing, but since everything this millennium is leveraged to the hilt and beyond (always with other people’s money) we’ve already seen this movie before when debt is unrepayable.
Whatever year it is, we know it’ll be the little people who suffer while the wealthy miscreants and companies get another too-big-or-important-or-something bail-out.
Destroying the economy while irreparably destroying the planet; I guess it’s good work if you can get it? . . .
Indeed. Ask Condi Rice.
Disaster capitalists make money on the misfortune of the world. It does not matter whether the disaster is natural or man-made.
Comrade Cory and Moscow Mitch
grinning it up on a Colorado Dems store tshirt near you, just in time for the holidays.
We need a T-shirt with Trump and Putin too. The Russians have not only bought influence in the U.S. through Trump, they have been similarly successful with Boris Johnson and the Conservative Party.
Amazing what a 3rd world economic failure under Putin, whose economy continues to suffer due to its dependence on Oil & Gas, can do with a few million here, a few million there. Money, power and politics is a toxic brew that a handful of foreign and domestic billionaires have decided is the best way to maintain their influence to the detriment of just about everyone else.
“Economies of scale,” “synergies,” “lower prices for consumers,” “new and improved services.” “the resultant negative effects of globalization,” . . .
. . . lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies
The only people that lie more to the American public than Donald Ttump and his Misadministration are American are-people-too corporations.
"Home Depot and Lowe's have displaced local hardware stores…………."
Depends on location. The local Ace Hardware store near me in Lakewood does a booming business. It may help that the nearest Lowe's and Home Depot are a couple miles away.
While the "local Trumpies" will vocally deny it, I've read that manufacturing in the US has gone into recession. And thanks to Trump's additional tariffs, those more reliable foreign washers and dryers are even more expensive.
"One or two hospital systems control many local markets………" And if the system happens to be owned or managed by the Catholic Church; and this is well documented; the level of services available, especially for women, drops off. Thanks to "religious freedom," it's how religious ideology takes precedence over Constitutional rights.