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November 29, 2011 08:49 PM UTC

Reapportionment: All Over But The Whining?

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  • by: Colorado Pols

UPDATE #3: It may be a “done deal” constitutionally (see below), but as FOX 31’s Eli Stokols reports, there are some seriously hacked off Republicans in Greenwood Village tonight.

Republicans are crying foul after the lone independent on the 11-member reapportionment commission again cast the deciding vote in favor of new maps proposed by Democrats to re-draw state legislative districts…

“I’m stunned,” said Rob Witwer, a former state representative from Evergreen and one of the five Republicans on the commission. “I can’t believe it happened like that, and it happened in broad daylight…”

“Democrats again are trying to circumvent the rules of the legislative reapportionment process by submitting maps after the agreed-upon deadline and without public knowledge,” [Colorado GOP chairman Ryan] Call said in a statement. “The Democrats’ Monday morning gerrymander is aimed at using back-door, partisan tactics to avoid public review.”

…Democrats have maintainted that they’re trying to follow the Supreme Court’s order to minimize county splits, the main reason cited by the Colorado Supreme Court in rejecting the original map submitted for its approval. The court ruled that too many counties were split in an effort to make one-third of the Legislature’s 100 districts competitive.

Republicans’ decision to challenge that initial map now appears to have backfired… [Pols emphasis]

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UPDATE #2: Speaking to reporter John Schroyer of the Colorado Springs paper today, Republican reapportionment commission member Bob Loevy calls the new map “a done deal,” and says there is very little constitutional grounds for further legal challenges.

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UPDATE: As resubmitted to the Colorado Supreme Court today:



House Resubmitted Plan F–details here



Senate Resubmitted Plan E–details here

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As the Pueblo Chieftain’s Patrick Malone reports:

Republicans accused Democrats of opportunistic gerrymandering Monday when the Colorado Reapportionment Commission resumed its work redrawing boundaries for seats in the Colorado General Assembly.

The Colorado Supreme Court rejected the commission’s original plan in a ruling that said the commission did not pay sufficient heed to keeping counties whole in a single district…

So, they did:

Commissioner Sen. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, said the first plan was drawn with incumbents in mind, but the Democratic alternative looked first to minimizing county splits as the high court had instructed.

“Some of the prior county splits we had to try and avoid pairing incumbents together,” she said.

The Democratic map for the House contains 14 county splits, while the Republican House plan contains 19. [Pols emphasis] Both parties’ plans for the Senate contain an equal number of splits.

Commission Chairman Mario Carrera, the only unaffiliated member of the 11-person bipartisan body, cast a deciding vote that slammed the door to potential compromise solutions.

Bottom line: as instructed by the Colorado Supreme Court when the originally-approved maps were remanded to the committee for redrafting, the new maps reduce the number of counties with split legislative representation. The approved Democratic map in fact reduces the number of county splits more than the Republican-proposed map. It’s important to remember that the stated reason for the Supreme Court’s rejection of the original maps, too many county splits, had the complete support of Republicans. As state GOP chairman Ryan Call said at the time:

“The State Supreme Court’s decision today validates what Colorado Republicans have been arguing all along – that the Reapportionment Commission must first look to keeping counties boundaries whole [Pols emphasis] before looking to non-constitutional criteria in drawing district boundaries.”

So, they did.

As for the strained accusations of politics–yes, politics!–playing a role? You know, folks, we’re pretty much sick of hearing about it. Yes, Pollyanna. Okay? You bet. It’s political. We think at this point, all of the voters paying even casual attention to any of this–a large percentage of whom read this blog–are aware that the process reflects political considerations on both sides.

In politics, somebody has to win, and somebody has to lose.

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      2. I hadn’t looked at House Fv1 yet — look at the “compactness” of HD61 on that map — a very different place for Summit County, connected by a “thread” to counties southwest of Summit.  Interesting.

        1. but the proposed HD61 is in no way a district in which the area is as compact as possible, as the state constitution requires.  And on top of that, it would be an extremely difficult district to get around in — what you can’t tell from the Commission maps is that Lake County only connects to Pitkin County by road during the summer months (Independence Pass), you don’t get to Gunnison County directly through Lake or Pitkin, and Delta is a 3 1/2-hr drive from Summit if you go through Grand Junction (not through Lake, Pitkin or Gunnison counties).  Good grief.

  3. A quick look at the Senate EV1 map for Arapahoe County/Aurora is curious at best. Senate District 29 includes a population center in “Old Aurora” (a highly Latino, Democratic population) with most of eastern Arapahoe County (Watkins, Strasburg, Byers, and Deer Trail). So the eastern Arapahoe County farmers and ranchers get stuck with an urban Senator.

    It is hard to sort out District 26 (until they release Google Earth files). But the district appears to contain Englewood, Sheridan, Cherry Hills Village, Greenwood Village, southwestern Aurora, and a good chunk of east Denver (so much for keeping counties whole). This district appears to wrap around the southern suburbs in the same way that Ed Perlmutters old 7th CD wrapped around the west, north and eastern suburbs.

    1. There seems to have been an attempt to carve along county lines, then split up the urban centers as best they can while equalizing population, using smaller population counties to even out the distribution when needed.  There are lots of “holes” in the maps for urban districts.

      This means that Longmont gets split in two (it’s too big for one district) and the southeast side lumped in with Lafayette and Louisville.  Boulder gets chopped up vaguely similar to the current map, but the outlying counties included in HD-13 were jiggered to adjust for the different need in balancing populations…

      My guess is that SD-26 was a “leftover” district, with all the pieces left over after they’d carved out what someone thought were appropriate urban boundaries for all the other districts in the region.

        1. The Democrats took the technical note made by the courts and manipulated it to do the worst possible damage to Republicans. Then they waited until days after the deadline to submit it. Mario Carrera worked with the Democrats to accomplished all of this. It’s a disgusting abuse of power, and a betrayal.

          We can only hope the court will send it back for another try, and that somebody can make Mad Mario see reason.

            1. Of course the people have a choice. They chose Republicans who are now being shoved into the same district to eliminate each other like gladiators for the amusement of Colorado Pols. This is a totally unacceptable situation. The people will understand. There will be a backlash. Did Hickenlooper know that Mario Carrera was a closet partisan hack?

              This is not over…

              2. Hickenlooper did not appoint Carrera. He was appointed by Colorado Supreme Court Justice Bender.  Hickenlooper appointed 2 Dems and 1 Republican when he had every right to appoint 3 Dems. Not only are you a cry baby you are ignorant.  And yes it is over!  

              3. People don’t give a shit about this stuff.  Especially when there are as many R’s as D’s on the commission.  You want some cheese with that whine?  You guys made your bed, it’s clear that you pissed off the independent member of the commission and he screwed you.  Frankly, having a Democratic party that can play the game as well (actually better) as the Republican Party has played this game for the last three times this has been done is great for the people of the state.  It means that in the future people will have to pay attention to the Constitution and give folks what they voted for all those years ago.  You got screwed.  But then your guys (including me) invented this kind of screw the people politics.  Dems finally figured out how to screw you back.  Game on.  You got totally outplayed on this one, so take your lumps.

          2. If anyone would bother to look at the GOP proposed map – it was a stacked deck meant to give them a permanent majority. They lost. Dems won. That’s the game. So get down off the cross, we need the wood.

            Mario Nicolais and his mouth fucked up the basic relationship politics and the Colorado GOP will pay the price for the next decade. I mean, calling the commission chairman a liar the day before the final vote, and then bitching about losing his vote? What a moron!

            Lesser Mario’s public bed wetting is probably the result of a bunch of GOP incumbents whipping him pretty good the last couple days for not having his act together, so I suppose we should feel sorry for him. But that’s what you get when you work to have a competitive, winnable map thrown out without a back up plan.

          4. but I never ran into Mario Carrera at them, or heard Dems were talking to them. You dishonor Mr. Carrera by asserting he was partisan without any proof of that claim.

  4. I have to say I’m impressed that the commission managed to get the total county split down as low as they did.  The resulting map is “interesting” in spots as a result, and definitely shows a shortcoming in stressing geopolitical boundaries like counties over the looser community of interest standard.

    Summit, for example, doesn’t have a lot in common (nor even compactness in travel) with Delta and much of Gunnison.  The Boulder foothills likewise are only tenuously connected to Jackson County.  But I think given the direction to prioritize existing boundaries, this map does what the commission was directed to do.

  5. Summit County on the HD map is very obvious in its inclusion with a district only barely contiguous to it. The SC may have something to say about that.

    Denver has been recut a little dirrently, and I like what the did for the most part on the HD map. HD9 is now a little compact and does not sprawl as far west.

    But on the SD side, there seems to be a reversal on the SD map of Denver. SW Denver is now in a district that streaches across Jeffco and includes Gilpin. I’m not sure the SC will let that fly either.

    1. Having SD-16 cut across counties isn’t exactly new, though.  The wrap-around into southwest Denver and/or western Arapahoe is different, but again, SD-16 appears to be a “leftover” district – Gilpin, plus all of the parts of JeffCo that don’t fit into an urban district, plus the little leftover tidbits adjacent to JeffCo, whatever they are.

  7. Let me preface by saying that I did not go to the Reapportionment Hearings mainly because my work is now in Los Angeles – I do come to Colorado frequently to visit family, but otherwise, my political involvement has been mostly outside – I say that as an apology to preface what I am really about to say —

    I think these maps are worse

    Far worse, actually

    Quick good credits though –

    1. I think HD57 is an improvement – uniting the folks of Garfield into one district is a solid move, and Moffat and Rio Blanco are EASY to get to from Rifle – I can live with this change

    2. HD62, to my blind eye, is minorly improved, with the San Luis Valley staying intact more strongly than before

    3. HD58, while I’m still not a fan of the footprint, I think they’ve made this district more manageable

    4. SD35 and SD2 look like solid improvements, from a blind eye

    Now lets get nasty —

    1. HD61 – everyone please take a long look at HD61 and tell me that this is not the most poorly drawn House District in America – has anyone here ever driven from Delta County to Silverthorne? Believe me, I wouldn’t wish that drive on JJ Ament (funny, I know, but seriously) this is an awful footprint that is going to do a disservice to everyone living in the HD61 area

    Remember – the whole point of drawing easily commutable districts is so that your House Representative can build relationships easily and represent the community well – HD61 will basically become a district where the person who wins will likely only focus on their personal county leaving everyone else behind

    2. However, if there is an award for “Most Poorly Drawn District Other than HD61” then feast your eyes upon HD26 – again, has anyone on the Reapportionment Committee ever driven from El Jebel to Hayden? Well, the State Rep from HD26 will be making that trip frequently and it will be a hellish one – I personally estimate that it takes around 5 to 6 hours to complete that drive, from one end of the district to the other – that’s a monster! When I ran for HD56 in 2008, one end of the district to the other was well under 3 hours (back and forth), which is why making relationships there, despite a large footprint, was easy

    3. HD64 and HD65 – honestly, Elbert County should stay with the Front Range metro districts – I think the prior Eastern Plains districts gave more power to the Eastern Plains farmers, whereas these current ones have reduced it

    Overall, regarding House Districts, I think it would’ve been much better to throw Basalt and El Jebel into HD57, put Eagle and Summit back together, and marry Routt with Grand and Jackson, among other minor differences – the current cookie cut on the Western Slope is atrocious

    4. SD8? I’m starting to be convinced that the people on the Reapportionment Committee hate the Western Slope, but Summit County in particular (did one of them get hit by a snowboarder in Breckenridge? Maybe it was me ten years ago, when I was even more wild? I digress…) Summit County with western Garfield??? Again, they basically swapped out Summit and traded it with Eagle, which was silly, because Eagle has far more in common with the Northwestern corner of the State and is much easier to get to

    5. SD5? Again, clearly the Committee also hates Eagle, because are we seriously uniting Burns with the San Luis Valley??? Again, the Senator representing this area will be looking at 6 to 7 hour drives, traversing this monster district

    6. SD1 is in bad shape, and I say that because this district should be represented by a farmer, but by putting Elbert and much of Weld in one Senate District, we have taken a KEY Eastern Plains Senate District and put it up for grabs from Metro/I25 candidates – maybe it’s because I’m a small town boy, but SD1 is one of few seats that was guaranteed to be represented by a farmer – that guarantee no longer exists

    My ultimate point –

    This Reapportionment Committee clearly hasn’t driven outside of the Front Range

    They have demonstrated that they have no conception of Western Slope demographics and are lacking when it comes to understanding the Eastern Plains

    In the future, I seriously think that the Committee should only be made up of elected officials from the Western Slope, the Eastern Plains, the San Luis Valley, and anyone elected statewide

    These maps, on the whole, are a mistake and are not going to serve Colorado well, because we’ve terribly increased workload on rural area candidates, while reducing the chances of rural area candidates even getting the chance to represent their farm-and-ranch areas

    And by doing so, we will lose part of our identity

    Nonetheless, I screwed up by not being more aggressive at the Reapportionment Hearings and for that, I am very sorry (especially to Eagle, Summit and the Eastern Plains)

    With love – Miguel Ali

    1. But as someone from the Front Range, there is equally as much to complain about.  Take a look at the new map for SD 16.  Part of Gilpin, the mountains and part of the southern end of Jeffco, SW Denver, Southern and a portion of western Boulder County.  Horrible.  I agree with you, overall this is just a horible map.  But, as usual, the Supreme Court made its bed and now it has to lie in it.  They have no idea what they are doing.  I hate to say it because I don’t want elected judges, but in this area, we were much better off when we had someone with political experience on the court.  This map is so bad, I wonder if the Supreme Court will re-visit its decision and go back to the first map, which I think was much better.  Good for the Democrats, but bad for the state.  Just a nightmare.

      The whole Senate map, can you believe that they actually made a map where Bennett carride all 4 Senate Districts in Jeffco and 3 of the four in Arapahoe?  I would have said that was impossible.  Not with this drawing.

      I think you are right.  The Supreme Court and the Republicans should be wishing they hadn’t gotten what they hoped for.  A terrible disservice to the State.

  8. It uses the Grand Junction city limits.  There are flagpole annexations that are in district 55 while people just a house or two away are in District 54.  My old precinct (obviously reprecincting will be necessary) is split into three discrete chunks, two of which (nonadjacent) are in District 55, and one in the middle is in District 54.

    Talk about splitting up communities of interest!  

    1. But the looney tunes Right couldn’t bring themselves to compromise in the Legislature and get the best deal they could.

      Oh Noooooo.

      They had to role the dice with an activist commission and activist judges.  But a couple of weeks ago when the Supremes rejected the submitted map, they weren’t activists.  Oh how quickly these ideological chameleons change.

          1. I don’t conisder districts to be truly competitive unless they have a performance index favoring either party by less than 53%.

            53-55% I call competitive in the right circumstances, like the favored party running a complete moron.

            under this criteria, I count 13 HDs that fall in the competitive range, 10 of which lean D and 12 more in the extended range, 8 of which will likely be held by D’s.

            So, of 25 districts that fall in the combined range, 18 favor Ds.

            I would not call that a competitive map.

            Mind you I’m not complaining. I think the Dems do a better job of running the state, but I stand by my statement that competitiveness went by the wayside in this last map.

            I have not done the math on the senate side yet.

  11. Compass Colorado Calls For Mario Carrera’s Resignation From Entravision

    Supposed’unaffiliated’ reapportionment chair gave thousands to Democrats

    (GREENWOOD VILLAGE, CO) – Today, Compass Colorado called for the resignation of Mario Carrera, Vice President and General Manager of Entravision Colorado, for his blatant political actions as the Chairman of the Colorado Reapportionment Commission while still working for the media outlet. Carrera, the supposedly ‘unaffiliated’ Chairman of the Colorado Reapportionment Commission, cast the deciding 6 to 5 vote for the partisan Democrat map submitted past the agreed upon deadline.

    Since 2007, Carrera has given a grand total $8,850 to Democrat campaigns, including a combined $500 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and congressional candidate Joe Miklosi during his tenure as the ‘unaffiliated’ Chairman of the Colorado Reapportionment Committee. View the federal donations here and the state donations here. Recent media reports have also noted Carrera’s attendance at a high-dollar fundraiser for President Barack Obama.

    “This corrupt, Chicago-style politics has no room in Colorado,” said Tyler Q. Houlton, president of Compass Colorado. “Mario Carrera should resign from Entravision for his brazen attempt to hijack the voting process in Colorado and for his massive donations to Democrats while being employed by a non-partisan news source.”

    Last year, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann was fired for donating to Democratic campaigns while working at the network. A conservative TV reporter in Washington, D.C. Doug McKelway was also fired for his political leanings.

    “If a journalist can be fired for political donations, surely a manager of a news station should be held to the same standards,” Houlton said. “Especially if that employee just slammed a blatantly liberal map down the throats of Colorado voters.”

      1. What it means is his party is going to have to compete based on ideas and solutions instead of red meat.  They are going to have to earn their representation just like everyone else.

    4. Math sucks. Deal with it.

      Super Mario’s maps were a compromise meant to avoid the simple GOP/Dem either/or choice.

      Republicans chose to fight that map and get it tossed out. They succeeded. Created the either/or choice, but didn’t bother to get the swing vote bought into their map.

      Super Mario saw the Dem map – with less county splits – as more constitutional. Voted for it. It passed.

      Republicans won a battle. Lost the war. Only themselves to blame.

      Math.

      1. If Super Mario was fooling them all along, then he did a good job by introducing maps independent of the Democratic and Republican maps.  (There’s that word, “independent”.  Hmm…)

        Republicans are just crying over spilled milk at this point.

    5. Come on you idiot.  The Constitution, remember that, only says that there can’t be more than a one person advantage for either party.  That’s the only requirement for appointments.  It’s not how long they have been a Republican or a Democrat or unaffiliate or how much money they have given to one candidate or another.  It’s their registration that counts.  I know for a fact that pretty boy Owens had Rick Enstrom a life-long Republican and former Republican elected official change his registration to unaffiliated and appointed him to a state board because Ownes couldn’t appoint any more Democrats.  Also, how many contributions have the other 10 members of the Board given during their tenure.  You’re just an idiot.  I hope someone will tell me who this is so that when this joker runs for office, I’ll be able to send around robo-calls as the former Chair of the Jeffco Republican Party telling people what a dishonest, unthinking, rube you are.

  12. Why are all the Republicans here so shocked.  Of course there is politics.  If the Republicans would not have run a sideshow of a governors campaign (Maes, Tancredo) maybe Republicans would have controlled the commission.  Also please remember that Hickenlooper appointed 2 Democrats (Webb and Salazar) and 1 Republican (Barry) when he had every right to appoint 3 Democrats.   Someone suggested above that Hick appointed Carrera which is complete ignorance.  Get your facts straight before you cry foul.  

    1. But take a good note of what A-GOP is saying, and come up with both a good counter-argument, as well as Dem-friendly message with which to pre-empt this. A-GOP is a party functionary, and as such you can expect his charges to become official party talking points. In fact, they probably already are.

      1. Ryan Call and even Rob Witwer made pretty much the same comments before AGOP managed to make it here to post.

        I don’t know where the GOP lawyers go from here, though.  They complained about breaking up too many counties (over communities of interest and competitiveness); now they’re complaining about partisan maps (i.e. competitiveness) and their only other argument will be that this breaks up communities of interest.  The Supreme Court is going to get testy with them if they come back with the exact opposite arguments they presented the first time out.

        1. as much as whether the GOP wins yet another propaganda battle. Dems always underestimate how good they are at big lies, even after experiences such as John Kerry’s heroic war record being made a liability.

        2. It’s coming out that Democrats got one deadline, and Republicans got another. It appears that Mario and the Democrats never intended to consider Republican proposals, and held on to this map until the last possible moment to not reveal what they were doing until it was too late.

          Classic Chicago politics. There are more revelations coming from what I hear.

  13. Did it just get eaten by 29 and disappear? Redistricting Commission Chair David Balmer (R) was the HD39 Rep for three terms and is now running for SD27. Or is he?

          1. Look at the numbers from last year’s US Senate Race.  Bennett only lost it 50-45 and that was in a great Republican year.  I wouldn’t give up on this seat.  You’d be amazed how D’s keep winning that type of seat in Jeffco.

              1. Thanks for making it look not so bleak, Craig. Balmer has a boatload of money — why I do not know. I keep hearing how some of his fellow Rs don’t care much for him.  

      3. But then again, in my part of the world, everything is a mess due to Aurora’s flagpole annexing (thank you, Tauer Dynasty). I live in unincorporated Arapahoe County. Across the street to my north is Centennial. To the northeast, Aurora. To the south and west, Centennial. East a few miles, out in the middle of rattle-snake country and miles from old Aurora, Aurora again. Even kids who go to the same elementary school can claim three different city addresses around here.

        Sucks big time. Why should the State Senate map be any different? I won’t know if I am in my own Senate district until I see a block-by-block map.  🙁

        I’ll forfeit my right to whine anymore. Other than my neighborhood, it looks like a good map.

        1. Annexing like this simply isn’t an issue in the states I lived in out East.  Everything is controlled by the county; if someone wants to incorporate a city, they go through the county to work out the arrangements.  There is no “no-one else controls it, so I can…”

  14. The latest from the Denver Post:

    http://www.denverpost.com/brea…

    Republicans drawing new state legislative districts were given a Nov. 23 deadline for submitting maps, but Democrats serving on the same panel were told they could turn in final maps four days later.

    That’s according to the texts of e-mails from the Colorado Reapportionment Commission’s non-partisan staff director, Jeremiah Barry, with other members of the commission, whose job it was to redraw state House and Senate districts.

    Republicans howled in protest Tuesday after the 11-member commission voted on a 6-5 split to use Democratic maps that Republicans say are more advantageous to Democrats than the maps the Colorado Supreme Court threw out earlier this month because they split too many counties.

    Mario Nicolais, a Republican on the panel, complained repeatedly about Democrats being allowed to turn in wholesale new maps on Sunday, rather than on the prior Wednesday. He said Democrats were allowed to pull a “bait-and-switch,” turning in decoy maps on the Nov. 23 and then their real maps on Sunday.

    2. (which the local paper goes along with)

      Everyone got the same scheduling e-mail.  When Morgan Carroll asked a clarifying question, she got an answer.  When Rob Witwer asked a similar (but different) question, he also received a reply with different (but not actually conflicting) information.  In fact, Republicans submitted amended plans on Sunday evening, too.

      Republican member Mario Nicolais comes right out and says that there was no conspiracy, that the staff have acted in a non-partisan manner, but that there may have been mis-communication (which, BTW, involves both the listener and the speaker).

      As an aside – since Republicans did submit maps on Sunday evening, would they have submitted different maps had they known Democrats were submitting theirs?  It doesn’t seem like this was a terribly collaborative operation in the first place – Republicans met and made maps, Democrats met and made maps.

      I’m still on the 1-800-555-WAAA side of the fence on this one.

      1. would have gone through if it had been Gore instead of Bush that cheated in 2000.

        The conspiracy theories would have obsessed him day and night until he would devolve into the kind of psychological wreck that he is today but even faster.

        Nothing like spreading a scary conspiracy rumor to get Arapajoke a better paycheck.  An American entrepreneur in action.  

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