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May 31, 2012 03:33 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“A blunt statement can be as false as any other.”

–Mason Cooley

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      1. Following incumbent President Barack Obama’s narrower-than-expected primary win in West Virginia, where convicted felon Keith Russell Judd finished a strong second as a protest vote, press began to speculate on the possibility of Wolfe, who lacks Judd’s criminal record, possibly contending and even winning the state of Arkansas.[17][18] A poll conducted by Hendrix College of Democrats in Arkansas’s 4th congressional district showed Wolfe within seven points of Obama there.[19] Wolfe finished second in that primary, garnering 41.6% of the vote.[20] He plans on filing legal action to have delegates seated at the 2012 Democratic National Convention.[21]

        Source Wikipedia  

            1. Should Romney win, the inevitable economic crash that follows will be devastating.

              When “libertad’s” mom can’t afford him living with her because all Social Security has been terminated, will you take him in Duke?

              I know what the right thing to do is.

              He makes it hard to do the right thing.  

              1. From Michael Tomasky piece on Mitt Romney’s Economic Failure in Massachusetts

                Here you will see the official Bureau of Labor Statistics month-by-month lists of total nonfarm payroll employment in Massachusetts for every month from January 2002 to April 2012. The relevant dates here are January 2003 through December 2006, Romney’s tenure. This chart lists totals, not gains or losses, so I had to do a little math. Romney took office January 3, 2003 (not January 20, so we can lay the whole month on him, assuming few to zero jobs were lost during the Rose Bowl). In January 2003, the state’s payrolls had 3.224 million workers. Within a month, 15,000 jobs were shed. The year ended with 3.179 million on the payrolls, for a first-year net loss of 44,700 jobs.

                In 2004, the state gained back 20,500 jobs. The next year it gained back 24,400. So after three years in office, Romney was up a grand total of 200 jobs. Finally, in his fourth year, another 40,500 jobs were added, so he wound up with a net gain of 40,700 jobs. This, as has been often noted, put Massachusetts at 47th in the nation, only ahead of of Michigan, Ohio, and Katrina-ravaged Louisiana (my emphasis).

                http://www.thedailybeast.com/a

    1. or did you get some last night?

      just know your early morning greeting beats the hell outta the usual lying lurker dropping his BS bombs before I get to my bagel.  

  1. Sex offenders fight for right to use Facebook

    Registered sex offenders who have been banned from social networking websites are fighting back in the nation’s courts, successfully challenging many of the restrictions as infringements on free speech and their right to participate in common online discussions.

    The legal battles pit public outrage over sex crimes against cherished guarantees of individual freedom and the far-reaching communication changes brought by Facebook, LinkedIn and dozens of other sites.

    yikes, too easy to let emotions and fear carry the judgment in determining what is legally protected here.  We allow states to restrict convicted/registered sex offenders on where they live & work, limit their  physical interaction with potential victims, and maintain nationwide databases to track their moves — and this is after they’ve already done their time.

    But the sheer ease in which social network sites and IM apps are exploited for predatory actions is unprecedented in our society.  The  safety of the innocents are at stake and the battle gets harder each day.

    ACLU & others cite on-line apps as being “virtually indispensable to free speech” but at what cost?  Seems worthy of a SCOTUS case.  Ruthann Robson, a constitutional law professor @ City University of NY, thinks it could prompt a constitutional question.

    “If we think that the government can curtail sex offenders’ rights without any connection to the actual crime, then it could become a blanket prohibition against anyone who is accused of a crime, no matter what the crime is,” Robson said.

       

      1. for some reason sex offenders tend to have a bit of a problem with honesty.  

        How would it work?  Who would check IDs?

        If social network sites can be accessories to copyright piracy can they also be accessories to predatory actions by sex offenders?  

        Will everyone’s anonymity be lost just to accommodate sex offenders?

        Is the threshold to participate in society now determined by access to social network?

        questions for folks to mull until they’re outed …    

    1. From an expert in sex offender treatment, who is not a mean person at all; in fact, he is deeply compassionate toward both victims and perpetrators, something that it must take an extraordinary level of inner peace to maintain without becoming confused or depressed.

      “Offenders can recover and can change, but there is one simple way to tell if a particular offender has or will: The ones who will not offend again are aware that they will never lose the urge to offend, and they actively seek to notify others of this and enlist their community in their accountability. The offender who will never harm another child goes to church and says to the pastor, ‘I want to worship here, but I am a recovering sex offender and I will ask you to please assign a few trustworthy congregants to keep an eye on me and ensure I  am never alone with children, never seated next to children during service, never asked to help with children…’ The offender who will offend again goes to the same church and says, ‘I’m legally required to notify you that I’m a registered sex offender, but I have completed treatment and there is no need to worry about my behavior — I found God in jail and have been reborn.’ The sex offender who believes he has recovered is always, always, always the greatest danger.”

      This is from someone who has spent decades both treating offenders and caring for victims.

      As much as I believe in individual rights, freedom of speech, and the right to make a mistake, pay your debt to society, and start over… It is very hard to accept the idea that a sex offender who petitions the courts for access to a platform used heavily by young teens has only the noblest intentions in mind. And as a new media professional myself, I shudder to think what kind of lawsuits this could create if a child using Facebook UNDER the minimum age of 13 was contacted and harmed by a sex offender. Could Facebook be forced to implement age verification to avoid liability? (Or would they do it, SAYING they’re avoiding liability, but really because the Holy Grail of online advertising sales is knowing everything about every user?)

      The other difficulty here is that harm reduction is incredibly complicated for sex crimes. A victim who is repeatedly physically brutalized might be less subjectively harmed than one who just received lewd text messages. It’s all about how the individual survivor responds to trauma. There are people who are registered as sex offenders for crimes that seem ludicrous, like sexting while underage or public urination, but limiting sex offender registration to only the most obviously grotesque crimes like child rape would eliminate registration for many perpetrators whose victims were, subjectively, most harmed.

      Victims’ rights versus the right to start over and move on after committing a crime… pretty much the most confusing of all civil liberties issues for me. I’m paralyzed by seeing both sides, here. Even more so in the last few months due to some training I’ve been doing.

      1. there are sex offenders who will victimize people (children, adults, whoever their favorite target is) until the day they die —

        * Some would NEVER alert a preacher, boy scout troop leader, school principal, camp operator etc that they are a sex offender, no matter what the law requires

        * Some are so warped they believe they are “helping” or “teaching” the young person they molest

        * Some are so sociopathic that they have no concept of what it means to hurt someone else; their only goal is to meet their warped needs (and please remember, their needs are much more about violence and control than about sex)

        The category of sex offenders who cannot be rehabilitated, cured, whatever you want to call it MUST be controlled by society, by the court system, by law enforcement, etc.  

        1. But I don’t think that any of those types would  be accepted as plaintiffs by the ACLU — just pragmatically, you don’t really want to bring in an outspokenly unrepentant pedophile as your star witness if you’re actually trying to win a case.  

  2. I posted news about AG Holder’s address pledging to fight for voter’s rights but not really offering much in the way of specifics, especially concerning the travesty in Florida. Today I received an e- mail petition from credoaction.com. It asks the DOJ to

    “Immediately suspend and investigate Governor Rick Scott’s efforts to purge thousands of eligible citizens from the voter rolls in Florida.”

    I’m hoping and expecting to see more petitions from a variety of the usual suspect organizations appearing in the old in box soon. Also calling and e-mailing DOJ as concerned individuals in addition to signing the usual mass petitions wouldn’t hurt.

        1. I went to the website, signed up and looked at the existing petitions, but I couldn’t find the petition on Florida and the DOJ…..

          What am I missing?

  3. Hayworth Spokesman: ‘Hurl Some Acid At Those Female Democratic Senators’

    Jay Townsend, a campaign spokesman for Republican Rep. Nan Hayworth (NY-19), weighed in on a local Facebook discussion with a violent comment about Democratic women in Congress, and his suggestion is now earning the congresswoman condemnation from one of her Democratic challengers.

    The Facebook page, called NY19 U.S. House of Representatives Discussion Center, encourages “civil multi-partisan discussion about issues impacting citizens of New York’s U.S. House District represented by Republican Congresswoman Nan Hayworth.” On it, a question about gas prices was also critical of Hayworth. Townsend responded to one commenter, Tom, by bringing up the “war on women” and suggested they “hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators.”

    The comment: http://www.facebook.com/NY19CD

       Listen to Tom. What a little bee he has in his bonnet. Buzz Buzz. My question today … when is Tommy boy going to weigh in on all the Lilly Ledbetter hypocrites who claim to be fighting the War on Women? Let’s hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators who won’t abide the mandates they want to impose on the private sector.

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo….

    Because, as we all know, only Democrats and Union members say or do dumb things…

  4. kramos1841 Southwest is key #2012 RT Poll: Obama up 48-44 in Colo., fueled by strong support from Women/Hispanic voters

    Obama Facing Challenges Out West

    By Josh Kraushaar – National Journal

    May 31, 2012 | 6:53 a.m.

    President Obama’s campaign team has increasingly focused on the Southwest as their must-win battleground region as it seeks to cobble a path to 270 electoral votes.  But today’s crop of NBC/Marist state polls suggest that Obama is in as much trouble in swing states like Colorado and Nevada as he is in the more-traditional battlegrounds of Ohio and Florida.

    In Colorado, Obama only leads Mitt Romney, 46 to 45 percent, with Romney holding a one-point edge (46-45) among voters with a good or excellent chance of voting in November. Obama’s job approval is only 45 percent – lower than his statewide standing in the 2010 midterm exit polls – with 49 percent disapproving.  Obama doesn’t hold a favorability edge; as many voters view both candidates favorably as they do unfavorably.  One silver lining for the president: Obama leads Romney by 10 among independents, a significant voting bloc in the state.

     

  5. Only 19% of voters see Obama, Romney as best possible presidential candidates.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/may_2012/only_19_see_obama_romney_as_best_possible_presidential_candidates

    I fear that the state of politics in America has sunk so low that in many of the “A Team” candidates, in both parties, want to subject themselves to the circus that comes with running for just about any political office.

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