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August 09, 2012 11:39 PM UTC

Local TV Reporter Drills Potential Veep Nominee on Oil Subsidies

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  • by: Colorado Pols

The reporting in the last few days from KDVR FOX 31’s Eli Stokols on a tax credit for wind power production considered vital to the preservation of thousands of Colorado jobs, and GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s recent call for that tax credit to expire at the end of this year–which has exposed a major ideological vs. pragmatic rift within the Republican Party–has been a model of tenacious journalism of a kind we don’t see enough of anymore.

After cornering Sen. John Thune on Monday on the wind power tax credit (which Thune supports even as he surrogates for Romney), Stokols interviewed Romney campaign headliner (and possible GOP vice presidential nominee) Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio yesterday. Stokols doesn’t take the contradictory rote answers from the GOP on energy subsidies as satisfactory, pressing the issue brilliantly and in a way that Sen. Portman was clearly unprepared for:

Romney came out last week against the renewal of the wind PTC, which would save more than 1,000 Colorado jobs and is supported by eight of nine members of the state’s congressional delegation, including three of four Republicans.

“He will allow the wind credit to expire, end the stimulus boondoggles, and create a level playing field on which all sources of energy can compete on their merits,” Romney’s Colorado spokeswoman Ciara Matthews said in a statement last week.

In an interview with FOX31 Denver Wednesday following a rally at Denver, Portman responded to a question about his position on the PTC by focusing mostly on the area where he and Romney agree, just as another surrogate, Sen. John Thune, R-SD, did with FOX31 on Monday.

“I agree with Gov. Romney on the fact that we need to move to a market-based system,” Portman said…

Portman’s a bit different than Thune in that he has not advocated for the wind power credit.

However,

When pressed on whether he supports ending subsidies for big oil companies, which receive around $4 billion in federal subsidies a year, Portman responded: “There are different subsidies. [Pols emphasis] There’s the depletion allowance, there’s also a depreciation issue.

“I want to make sure they’re not punished; in other words, they’re treated like other businesses. But there shouldn’t be special subsidies.”

Got that, folks? There shouldn’t be “special” energy subsidies, for any kind of energy, except let’s be careful in the case of big oil companies, because there are “different subsidies,” like something called the “depletion allowance,” which is apparently not in any way “special!”

Suddenly Sen. Portman doesn’t look as principled, does he? Will the thousands of Coloradans who lose their jobs if this credit isn’t renewed by the end of the year, you know, feel “punished?”

Bottom line: possible GOP veep nominee Rob Portman, with a little push from a local TV news reporter, just laid bare a huge contradiction whose smell voters will instantly recognize.

Our question is, why doesn’t this happen in every interview of every candidate?

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25 thoughts on “Local TV Reporter Drills Potential Veep Nominee on Oil Subsidies

      1. I asked the question a couple years ago in a diary — when was the last time you voted for someone you didn’t like?

        Well, Politico’s Roger Simon wonders the same thing:

        As I have written for years, I have a simple – OK, simple-minded – way of determining who is going to win the presidency: The more likable candidate wins. Not always, but almost always.

        On Aug. 2, a survey published by the well-respected Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found Obama was leading Romney by 51-41 percent for the presidency, the eighth time in a row since January that Obama has led Romney by between 4 and 12 percentage points.

        But more importantly by my Simple Simon standard of likability, Romney’s favorable/unfavorable rating was 37/52 compared with Obama’s 50/45. Which means Romney had a net unfavorable rating of 15 points while Obama had a net favorable of 5 points.

        On Wednesday, the Washington Post and ABC News released a poll showing 40 percent of voters approving of Romney and 49 percent disapproving. When it came to Obama, 53 percent of voters approved and 43 percent disapproved.

        Which gave Romney a net disapproval of 9 points and Obama a net approval of 10 points.

        Maybe Mitt ought to work on that little Trust and Believability thing that bothers a lot of folks.  

        If nothing else, he should try a little harder when he’s faking it.

      2. Which is that this election will be about Obama and not the royal ‘We’ our nominee (presumed).  Not about our handsome frat boy privileged scion and American pioneer of outsourcing (jobs) and offshoring (profits).  It is time to ‘Believe in America’ (except insofar as to actually invest in America, when it saves a buck or two to stick it in a foreign bank…) and not get distracted about the particulars of the economic vision of our (presumed) nominee–because its all about the economy!!!  And NOT Mitt’s approach to the economy nor about women nor what Mitt might do to any particular group of actual breathing Americans, because that’s ‘identity’ politics.  Mitt’s for ‘real’ Americans not ‘hyphenated-‘ Americans with their paychecks and government police, fire fighting, teacher and other handout jobs.  Real Americans like NASCAR Team Owners and the Dressage crowd.  That’s what this election will be about.  

        1. you mean all those silly folks who wear those awful yellow rain parkas? . . .

          . . . er, wait, you said “NASCAR owners” — OK then,  they don’t need those hideous yellow things to stay dry  inside their tax-deductible corporate sky boxes . . .

          . . . never mind.  

  1. You guys keep the flood of oil money coming to my campaign and the super PACs, and I’ll keep the tidal wave of taxpayer money coming your way.

    Wind guys?  You don’t give me diddly, so I’m not gonna give you squat.

    Fair’s fair!

  2. I must say I don’t consider the depletion allowance a subsidy, any more than the depreciation allowance on items used in business, such as the presses at the Denver Post, is a subsidy.

    1. Serious question. I don’t know what depletion allowance is. Could you give me a quick explanation? (I’ll look it up in the meantime but experience tells me I won’t get an answer in under 5,000 words.)

      1. If I spend $1m acquiring rights to drill for oil at an oil well and in a given year I extract 15% of the total estimated reserves of the well, then I can deduct $150,000 from my taxable income for the year.  Over time, I can write down the entire capital investment.  It’s essentially depreciating the value of a mineral lease over time.

        There’s far more money given away to companies in extra-low mineral rights fees than in this depreciation, I’m guessing.

      2. There’s only so much oil in the ground, just like there is only so much life in your computer.  So the Oil companies get to write off a percentage of the “depleted” resource.

        Net/net — they don’t pay taxes on the depleted amount, so the revenue has to come out of somebody else’s pocket (two guesses — the individuals that don’t have lobbyists).

        A subsidy is a subsidy — including the home mortgage credit.  All a matter of who’s ox gets gored.

        1. a subsidy is a subsidy.

          There’s a huge gap in the Ryan budget that’s labeled simply, “closing tax loopholes”.  The price tag of that category is huge; in fact, it’s so huge that the only tax credits that come close to that size are the EITC and home mortgage credits.

          Which has given Obama an avenue of attack that Romney (and Ryan) will be raising your taxes, unless you make over $200,000 per year.  The tax rate might be lower, but you’ll be paying more because these credits will have to be reduced or eliminated to balance their budget.

          1. such as survey costs.  Under general tax principles, such costs would be capitalized, and then either recovered over time as an amortizible expense or as a reduction in the amount realized in a sale.

            The oil and gas industry is advantaged because IDCs can be deducted immediately, thus giving an immediate tax benefit.

      1. one is through writing off losses for developing “unconventional” energy resources…like shale gas. Sold at a loss, it can be recouped in the tax credit equation.

        Additionally, in Colorado only, companies are allowed to deduct their property taxes from their severance tax obligation. They effectively pay about 1.7%.

        Also, companies who own and manage stripper wells (wells that are approaching the end of their productive lives)are given additional taxbreaks as well.

        There are many ways,the details  of which I am generally ignorant, but I know they exist.

    2. depreciation is a cost recovery mechanism limited to basis–i.e., the cost of acquiring an asset.  Depletion, on the other hand, can exceed basis, thus providing for deductions in excess of the economic investment in the producing property.

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