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February 27, 2023 08:06 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • 34 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“We should be too big to take offense and too noble to give it.”

–Abraham Lincoln

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34 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Does she know that water boils at 100° C?
     

    Qongressional Qaren (no offense to thoughtful Karens) wrecked her marriage and she’s coming for ours, America.

    #LockHerUp
     

    1. Who are these “Americans,” does she really think anyone believes that’s a thermometer, and where’s she sticking it?

      Paging Dr. FOX. Paging Dr. Santos.

      1. "where’s she sticking it?" LOL!

        MTG is one of those True Americans (TM) that LOVE America so much, they would rather destroy it and create different countries than actually interact with Americans they disagree with.

        What a sad joke.

    2. MTG and Lauren Boobert are THE ENEMY of the US. Remember that when as a conservative you don't vote for the constitutional libtards trying to protect our country from the internal threat.  

    3. WOTD "Rage Farmer". Don't quote; don't re-tweet.

      The entire point of Empty-G, Boebert, and Trump is to get attention and name recognition. The purpose of owning the Libtards is to get you outraged enough to react.

      1. But even Empty G, Bimbobert, and Matt Gaetz are sliding in the angertainment category.

        Who was that asshole Republican Rep from Texas going off on Judy Chu being a spy for the PRC?

    4. I'd be fascinated to read the polling data that is SO different than what I have read elsewhere, which shows 65% support for Ukraine funding … including a majority of self-identified Republicans.

      But Rep. MTG is, I suspect, trusting her own "polling". 

    1. From the tweet’s text:

      California’s environmental procedure law is now being used to stop the construction of student housing bc the environmental review didn’t consider the potential noise from student parties. The word “environment” has become meaningless as it’s been expanded to include everything.

      If the school is like most major universities I’ve been around, they no doubt have “community liaison” offices that have monitored and attempted to ameliorate points of conflict.  And one of the common complaints at the campuses I lived close to was noise from student housing.  If the university has had such complaints and their application did not include noise, preparation missed an issue. Nothing says the building can not ultimately be built — just that the current application was not complete.

      Environmental reviews of highways and airports routinely include noise as an environmental issue.  There are ordinances about noise pollution (including barking dogs).  Cities regulate use of air brakes on trucks and warning bells on railroad crossings.  Should all of those elements be ignored, too?

        1. And student housing at UC Berkeley impacts global warming and competition with China  how???  

          The infintisimal improvement in energy efficiency may slow the climate change crisis slightly …. but those students who will have a slightly enhanced chance of going to UCB instead of someplace else [UCLA, UC Irvine, Cal Tech, Cal Poly-SLO, any of the Claremont colleges, Stanford] can help with competition just as well, I'm guessing.

           

    2. The author of that piece might not be kidding, but he is lying.

      The question decided by the court was not "are students an environmental hazard." It was should an environmental impact report be required to "analyze potential noise impacts from loud student parties in residential areas near the campus, where student parties have been a problem for years"?

      Noise pollution is an environmental issue, whether generated by industrial activity, commercial activity, or residential activity. The court properly held that part of a sufficient EIR is an analysis of noise pollution, particularly where the type of noise has "been a problem for years."

      The fact that noise has to be considered in an EIR doesn't mean that the project cannot be built if it generates any noise. It does mean that the issue has to have been considered and, if it is significant, mitigated.

      1. At the risk of offending anyone, the author of the piece is a YIMBY. Google "Noah Smith YIMBY" and y'all will see what I mean.

        I hate the YIMBY-NIMBY dichotomy with a passion, but they're descriptive acronyms. The problem I have with hardcore YIMBYs is they're like politicians – talking in talking points, demonizing opponents, denying externalities and the possibility of nuanced positions, and overstating macro benefits of micro actions.

        So, under YIMBY-speak, opposition to a single student housing project in California becomes a factoid proving America is a "Build Nothing Country." That's even if opponents show debateably legitimate reasons for their opposition. Instead of debating the reasons or offering compromise, YIMBY-talk tars the opponents as "anti-this or that," then white-horses their own position as salvation for the environment or social equity.

        NIMBY is an insult, and in some cases well-deserved. Some of them are selfishly protecting their own property value, in denial of population growth, and let-them-eat-cake insensitive to people who just need a roof over their heads without a hours-long commute to work or school.

        I swear my only point right now is for folks to consider the source when someone posts something. The NIMBY-YIMBY debate will rage just fine with or without me.

        1. I believe we’ve been told previously that the preferred adjective for those kinds of articles posted here is, “thought-provoking.”

        2. I don't care whether he's a YIMBY, NIMBY, or just a nitwit–he's lying about what the court said. Apparently it just sounded so much cooler to him to say the court "demanded that the university study whether students themselves constitute an environmental hazard."

          1. I'll agree with you that the author lied, OTD. Still want to toss out a rhetorical question – for what (or whose) benefit did he word it that way?

            That's why YIMBY authorship matters to me, because I can't help suspecting the wording was intentional, opening up opportunities for YIMBY networks to spread it virally by saying "look, now they're considering students themselves as environmental hazards." Exhibit A – it was even used as part of the pull-out quote right here on Pols.

          2. Also did a quick check on Twitter – Noah's piece is at about 2.4 million views right now, so his messaging is getting out into the network. Elon Musk weighed in to comment "We have made large construction projects almost illegal."

  2. Upon further consideration of EmptyG’s “national divorce” action, maybe I’m guilty of rushing to harsh judgment. Perhaps we should examine this for the opportunity it might be?

    Oh, Margy, when Colorado’s divorce is finalized would that allow our sovereign blue state to deport a few of the red menace from our azure borders??

    (I’m thinking, for example, maybe:  Boeboe deported to the Oklahoma panhandle; Pastor (Rock) Bottoms exiled to the penile tip of Florida; Doug Lamborn air-dropped on West Virginia, or anywhere really (it’s not like he’s sentient enough to recognize any difference); good ole’ Gordo Chapenstuck to Bourbon Street in Louisiana; Dave Williams would probably love West Texas; an entire team of bootstappin’ CCUers bussed to just about any destitute Appalachian back holler; give Moderatus 40 acres and a plow (and a box of tissue)!and he just might survive as a Kansas dryland wheat farmer; etc., etc.)

    Say yes, Margy!? — and you’ll make me/us the very happiest divorcee on earth (after your ex-husband, that is)!! I promise! Plus you’ll gain a whole slew of new and unexpected supporters!

    PS — Does this mean we’ll finally get to live a country with proportional majority representation?

    1. Speaking of Oklahoma…

      Did another gay couple get married, or is their Lawd Geezuz just having a bad day? (reflecting on the Tulsa Riots and such…)

      1. Oh, I know who's getting blamed for that.

        "Derecho.  Isn't that one of those illegal immigrant terrorist sayings?" — Some Tucker guy

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