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October 01, 2024 03:47 PM UTC

Biggest Veep Debate Ever Open Thread

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  1. Vance says 25 million illegals which is 4 million more than Trump claims in prior debate. 

    While the government estimates this number far lower between 8-10.

    That means the 15 million discrepancy are child drug mules? 

     

  2. Vance claims that manufacturing being moved outside of the US did not lead to cheaper products. 

    You might not like it but over 40 years Made in America has been more expensive. People shopped and voted with their wallets. 

    Republicans talk about common sense which is code for ignoring reality.

    1. They shopped with wallets made less full by their manufacturing jobs being shipped overseas. I hate these blame the people arguments, as if we were ever presented with a choice between facilitating off-shoring of jobs or preventing it. Reminds me of the advertisements for Teflon that argued that people wouldn't do without their nonstick pans, when they were never presented with a choice between nonstick pans and birth defects.

      1. At its peak 1979 manufacturing accounted for less than 20% of American workers. Today manufacturing output in America has never been higher in history. Manufacturing does not equal employment. Americans bought better goods at cheaper prices because of globalism. 

        Globalism has improved our lives, fattened our wallets, and gave us a safer world. 

         

         

          1. All of humanity benefits. Though the United States experienced the highest rate of GDP growth. If you look at the political affiliation of the President during this rapid growth period fueled by global market participation the Democrats are better for the economy. 

  3. Just the visuals:

    Regarding the two photos of Men With Guns under the title of this diary:

    Which one do you think will actually bring home meat for dinner? The geared-up hunter, or the poseur? With the latter, you might get a few shreds of venison, after you pick out the lead fragments. That is not a hunting rifle.

    I tried to look at this from the point of view of my granddaughter, who will have to live with the consequences of this election In terms she would understand:

    JD Vance looks like a bearded Bratz doll…and has about as much substance and moral compass.

    Tim Walz, on the other hand, has the face of a Cabbage Patch doll….so ugly it’s cute, with big, heart-meltingly sincere blue eyes.

    Love that Governor Walz is now calling out JD on his “My family got health insurance under Trump” claim that, breathtakingly, skips right over how Trump tried so hard to get rid of the ACA, aka Obamacare. So now Trump gets credit for the ACA?????? Nope.

    1. I was waiting for the "you can have RFKjr and Gabbard, and we'll take Liz and Dick Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and the hundreds of individuals who know Trump best because he hand picked them to serve in his previous administration and now recognize that he is in no way should be trusted with the office again."

       

      But it never came….

  4. Trump's peaceful hand over… He didn't attend the inauguration he left the city like a scolded child. 

    Vance might have holes in his memory from meth use

  5. I honestly think the debate did go better for Vance than for Walz, if you consider how it may influence undecided voters, since I doubt it would have changed the opinion of any decided voter 

    J.D. Vance started with a serious negative approval rating (~ -10%) and Tim Walz has a reasonably positive approval rating.  I claim there were no major errors and therefore Vance benefits more.  In terms of skill in that format (one on one in a basically empty room with moderators, spouses and cameramen), I think Vance is just better.  I am not saying Walz did poorly, it's just not his best format.  I'd say Vance B+, Walz B- (on a "pro-league" scale).

    However I'm not worried, in the long campaign that is a US presidential race, every engagement won't go to one side's advantage.  And now the campaign is done with that format.  What's left are "ground game" engagements in battleground states. (IMHO the tipping point is Pennsylvania — The Keystone State is the keystone state®).  And Walz is just better in a rally format, where you feed of the energy of a crowd, he's a small town football coach, he makes it look easy — perhaps not flawless, but earnest and uplifting. Vance — not so much — he makes it look hard, his timing is off, his forced smile while waiting for applause is hard to look at.  There are other flaws easy to spot, but a little harder to put into words. 

    And for the out-on-the hustings press-the-flesh Vance is just cringy bad and Walz is a natural.

    And although Trump in his rallies has exhibited preternatural stamina and powers of demagoguery, he's starting to fray at the edges as we have seen.  Campaigning is a long term endurance event and at 78, and not the best of health he's not going to improve in the homestretch.

    So in summary, I'll give that night to Vance, but I'm optimistic.  

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