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14 Comments
Given that Romanoff also has "evolving" views on immigration (cough…sb90…cough) isn't it a bit disingenuous to go after Coffman for having views that shift?
you may have not been in CO at the time to remember. SB90 forestalled efforts to place a constitutional amendment on the CO ballot to prohibit brown people from entering or remaining in CO. Some legislators were talking about having police cars interdict brown skinned folks at the state boder and either turn them back or incarcerate immediately. So, though I did not like SB90 I did have to admit that it was far better than what was likely without it
pshaw – political reality has no place in a plitical debate. The perception that Elliott wants to create is that Romanoff and Coffman are both the same when it comes to shifting political views.
The even harsher reality is that Coffman's views have not shifted at all. He oopsed stem cell research before, he opposes it now. COffman supported personhood before, he supports it now. COffman opposes a path to citizenship now, as he always has. ANd on and on. The only diffrence between so called"new" Coffman and the actual Coffman is that newcoffman will say things that will allow the less observant to believe maybe he has changed. At the same time, Coffman will get "surprised" on camera saying things that prove he has not changed at all. (Seriously- does anyone believe Coffman is dumb enough to not know he was being recoded when he said in his heart he knows Obama is not American. Or any other thing he has said as an elected official. I do not agree with him on many issues- I don't believe he is stupid)
There is a big difference between changing a position or two over time and under changing circumstances or with new knowledge, experience or simply as the tenor of the times change and constantly shifting positions on a dime, from one year to the next, in a fairly blatant attempt to just find what the hell it is that will work. Remember the I meant it, I didn't mean it, I apologize, I don't really apologize dance on Obama not being a real American? Those changes were sometimes on a daily basis, forget merely year to year. Another false Fladen the Apologist equivalence: Look over there. Johnny does it, too. Except, in this case, Johnny never came close.
You are correct that I was not here at time, but I have heard significant of grumbling from my dem contacts and other immigrants' rights folk that Romanoff was a bit over-eager in passing that law.
I've brought that very thing up several times ever since the silliness of Romanoff and his supporters attempting to create a lefty progressive champion out of DLC centrist Romanoff so that he could primary Bennet from the left when, in reality, his record, including on immigration reform, clearly showed him to be not an iota to Bennet's left. You weren't here during that primary but I've mentioned it several times since you've joined us.
I wasn't thinking of you – I was thinking of some of my pro-immigrant contacts including some Dem staffers I know who are plugged in.
And as evidence hearsay merits what consideration?
This isn't a court of law daft punk.
No, but your intellectual laziness is showing if you want to take "he said she said" as good enough for you. You know damn well why hearsay isn't admissable, yet it's good enough for you to support the position you already hold. Weak sauce, counsellor.
I think it not unlikely that you can find contemporaneous editorials and news items that support the facts as I have described them
Thing is, there's no indication that Coffman's views have shifted on stem cell research. He said he was happy to tour the facility; not happy with what they're doing with embryonic stem cells. It sounds like he's playing a p.r. game with less-than-informed constituents.
good point. Coffman's pattern is a combination of actual shifts, changed rhetoric, and photo ops. This is in the photo op category, as Karen Middleton pointed out in my post. In theory, journalists live to call out public officials on this type of inconsistency.
The difference is that the immigration positions of Coffman change daily or weekly, depending upon his audience. Coffman's always been hard right, border security first, enforce the laws, no path to citizenship, screw the DREAMers. That's if you look at his real, factual voting record. But, depending on the audience, he has tried to softpedal that stance, substituting buzzwords like "compassionate" and "thoughtful" for real policy positions.
Romanoff's "evolution" on immigration has been a pretty consistent movement from a hard line vote in 2006, denying social services to immigrants, (which was a disaster), to his present stance supporting Senate bill HR 15, which does include a path to citizenship. Coffman just dances around the issue.
As Duke Cox said on here in May, 2013, "Everyone HAS a weakness…Coffman IS a weakness."