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September 25, 2017 11:34 AM UTC
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I believe that there can be a reasonable discussion about whether kneeling (or sitting or raising a fist) during the national anthem is an appropriate protest. But do not fool yourself into believing that this most recent dustup is not about race.
Donald Trump, dog whistler extraordinaire, once again turned a nuanced discussion into a divisive, racially charged shouting match. It is not a coincidence that he spouted off in Alabama, the heart of Dixie, where the only thing they like better than football is segregation. The bigots can only stomach "those people" on their college campuses if they are performing athletically (and the more violent the better) for the greater glory of Alabama (or Auburn, or Old Miss, or Georgia). But once they get uppity, fire the SOB!
You don't have to be a racist to be a Republican, or a Trump supporter or to disagree with kneeling during the national anthem, but Trump is making sure that if stand with him, you are surrounded by racists. Trump stinks, and his stench will cling to you if you stand too close.
You didn't answer your own question. Do you think it's appropriate for any American to kneel during the national anthem or don't you? I say it's not and a lot of Americans agree with me. No one should be put in jail, but private companies like the NFL have the right to take the views of their customers into consideration if they take action against the players. That's all Trump was saying, and he's right.
Can we just watch football without a social justice lesson??? Football, for Pete's sake??
Yes..
…enthusiastically!
The flag and anthem are symbols of our ideals. We serve the ideal, not the symbol. On the other hand, while Congress operates daily in their respective chambers under a flying flag, the majority rarely misses an opportunity to take a knee for their donor class.
Actually I thought they bent over forward for their donors.
It's Repeal and Replace!! mating season for the Senate
MajorityLions. Eventually they lose track of what's going where.Uh...
There was a guy about 2000 years ago who publicly protested injustices in his time, and was hated so much by the ruling class that he got himself killed. What was his name, again? You would think people would make a whole religion around his teachings and try to emulate him. Instead, we've turned his religion into a sporting event. #WWJD?
He has no idea who you are talking about Michael. The Prosperity Gospel only highlights winners. Don't ask about the 1st Amendment either. He has no idea what it means to peaceably assemble but he does support tiki torch parades and monuments to slavery. Thems there are real American values. Just ask him who are real the American patriots: Jefferson Davis or George Washington Carver?
Completely ignored by Fluffnutz is the fact the Senate and House Majority operate under a flying flag each and every day and have no issue taking a knee for their donor class that demands they do something!! even if it's a death panel construct masquerading as health care.
Don't you mean both knees, Michael?
Well Moldy. Roger Goodell disagrees with you. You don't have a problem with Right Wing celebs saying whatever, regardless of who they alienate. Then you whine about boycotts against them because because free speech. Want to make kneeling a make or break issue, fine. If enjoying football is more important to you than a minor social justice demonstration, then you don't need to waste what little brain power you have on whether players kneel or stand.
Moddy – if you want my opinion about the demonstrations, here it is -Yes, I think it is appropriate for Americans to kneel during the national anthem. It may be more respectful and reverential than standing. I also think people have the constitutional right to sit, turn your back, or do other potentially disrespectful things. I also think that private companies have the right to include certain "morality clauses" in their employment contracts that would limit an employee's exercise of her constitutional rights (free speech, assembly) based on real or perceived legitimate business interests. Therefore, in my view, Colin Kapernick has a right to protest, and individual owners should have the right to not hire him. But that is not what Trump is saying.
He is demanding the NFL owners (all heavily subsidized by local governments and protected against anti-trust laws) fire the "SOBs". He is telling private companies what to do and is using the most powerful office in the world to stifle free speech that he doesn't like. And it is racially motivated to boot.
And don't tell me that you have moral superiority because "a lot of Americans agree" with you. Most Americans opposed civil rights protesters and Martin Luther King, Jr., in the 60's, and LGBT rights and AIDS demonstrators in the 90's. Most Americans disapproved of those protesting against the US's invasion of Iraq. Though you will disagree, a majority of Americans were on the wrong side of history on all of these issues.
Having answered my "own question," the point of my post remains: Our current president is a divider that seeks to inflame racial strife and embolden the worst among us. Whether he does this because he is a genuine racist or because he is an opportunist that thinks it assists him in mobilizing his base is immaterial.
"Our current president is a divider…….." Oh, I think Cory Gardner had it right last year when he referred to Trump as a buffoon (until he had to turn toad after Trump won).
Trump is also an infantile bomb-thrower like Tancredo — it's all about the stroking their own ego, baby!
I guess the NFL should come out against Repeal And Replace then? You know, "take the views of their customers into consideration"?
Glad you admit that it's a "social justice" issue, though! BTW, it was your spewing SodaFountainof(SocialIn)justice that pushed this into the area of politics, Fluffykins!
You watch all the NFL your itsybitsy widdle mind desires . . . I've never understood why anyone would waste hours of their lives sitting in front of a television watching the crap that occurs between all the crap commercials anyway . . . me? I'd have to start caring about the broncos, et al, before I could begin to like, or not like, any of it. If I'm gonna' watch any broncos there better be a rodeo ring involved!
Ps. You see anything wrong with kneeling in church? . . .
http://time.com/4955127/trump-twitter-nfl-kneeling-protests/?utm_source=time.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=2017092511am&xid=newsletter-brief
I think some folks here think you are cute, Fluffy. But by and large you are simply a despicable person in desperate need of a social justice lesson. But you are incapable of understanding justice, so I guess the point is moot.
….and 100% behind TwitterDumb.
All this Presidential attention and political kerfuffle over some football player kneeling?!? . . .
. . . maybe we should try now to some some common ground, something we can all agree on??? . . .
So, maybe now we can all finally come together and agree, Tim Tebow really sucked!?!
Trump really is his own worst enemy. I know people watching NFL games now just to see who's kneeling or protesting. Also to boost game ratings. (Take that, Mr. reality TV star!)
With one ill-considered remark about "firing that son of a bitch" (Kaepernik or other kneeling protesters), he has united players, owners, and fans against him.
He really understands very little about how normal people's minds work.