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July 31, 2009 03:49 PM UTC

Open Line Friday!

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Really what those discussions are, when you call it “death care” or “end of life,” it’s “end of care.” That’s what the counselors are preparing these people for: end of care, ’cause they’re getting old and it isn’t going to be worth of investment. It’s right in the House bill!”

–Rush Limbaugh

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  1. Amazin’ as it might seem to some, this new free government program is broke.


    The Obama administration is telling lawmakers that its much-touted “cash-for-clunkers” program is already running out of money, according to three Senate aides

    …

    The White House will need to decide whether to push for more money at a time when it’s also pushing an ambitious and expensive domestic agenda – or let the program fade after it was touted as a way to help Detroit while improving the environment.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s…

    Is this what we can expect from Free Obamacare too?

    2. L, the program didn’t run out of money – it was capped at 250,000 new cars sold. The dealers were SUPPOSED to wait until the program officially started on July 24th, but they started early and oversold past the cap on the program. (It’s their Free Market, Capitalistic Right to take a chance and get burned by the results.)

      The program has been a huge success to “run out of money” in a week. Every recession that we’ve gotten out of in the 20th & 21st Century has been driven by auto sales.  I’d say 250K cars sold since the program is a good start!

      Now, if this was just another government swindle, I’m SURE the GOP will jump right in and condemn the whole program and fight it tooth and nail.

      Except:

      “Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., wrote in a letter to House leaders on Wednesday requesting additional funding for the program.

      “This is simply the most stimulative $1 billion the federal government has spent during the entire economic downturn,” Miller said Thursday. “The federal government must come up with more money, immediately, to keep this program going.”

      http://www.foxnews.com/politic…

      So, to counter your Snark x10, I HOPE we can expect the same bipartisan support and results from the Health Care Plan!!!  

      1. Its jobs and payroll that lead you out of a recession. Currently both are continuing to crap out.

        Now you might ague “the DOW is up”, “therefore the economy is returning … praise Obama”, right?  

        I think it’s (the DOW) showing a false rise and only reflexsive of capital stability within a significantly lowered set of earnings expectations.

        But if you’re right “the economy is returning … praise Obama”, then why not return the Bailout money to the US Treasury?  Or at least stop issuing it like a crack addicted mortgage banker in the service of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

        1. which can’t grow without that necessary ingredient, what the fuck is that called  again, oh yeah, SALES.

          Now, stay with us here Libertad:

          Did the cash for clunkers program generate SALES Libertad ?  

          1. Why does he hate car dealers?

            Listening to Sirota interview the car dealer association guy … Sirota’s summary conclusion was fuck it bro, go to the dealer and work the deal, then the dealer will call you up when Obama figures this out and let you know if they can honor the deal you signed for.

            Now that’s some fucked up marketing program.  No dealer wants to shit slap his image with this fucked rebate program — trust me you spend and tax specialists.

            PS Where is the Guv on this shit storm?  

            Why isn’t his COO providing better transparency?  

            This screams of consumer disatisfaction.

            Is this the style of GM mamagement the dealers should brace for???

              1. get a shinny new car with $0 down, a no interest loan and $4500 in bailout cash.

                Your program would assumes that Obama intends to keep it going … maybe the realtors can get a similar deal?

                Corruption angle #1, learning to buy off businesses with socialist programs!

                1. to voluntarily please just take their clunkers off the road and go buy a new car today.  I think something like that may be more acceptable and it really has teeth to it – anything more is socialist.

      2. people are buying cars and older, less fuel efficient ones are being taken off the road.  By what perversion of logic can that be a bad thing ?

          1. U.S. Constitution – Article 1 Section 8

            “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

            “To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

            “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

            “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

            “To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;”

            http://www.usconstitution.net/…

            and it goes on for a while, but hopefully you get the point.

      3. Or just being pushed down the economic ladder?

        This cash for crap is deeply flawed.  They should have made the fuel mileage differential much greater.

        And I’m sure all those Republican auto dealers are refusing this bailout.  

        1. Dealers will have to remove “the engine oil from the crankcase, replacing it with a 40 percent solution of sodium silicate (a substance used in similar concentrations in many common vehicle applications, including patching mufflers and radiators), and (run) the engine for a short period of time at low speeds (rendering) the engine inoperable,”

          http://www.cars.gov/

          (there’s a PDF will all the rules, but it’s direct link and it’s a big file.)

          1. If the car has little remaining value, how can the dealer make money, even with the rebate?

            I’m familiar with sodium silicate. I wonder if the dealers have a source for it in quantity?  Once upon a time it was in every hardware or country store, now not anywhere.  

            (It was used to repair glass and as an egg preservative.)

            1. …the idea is to get the clunkers completely off the road. Some dealers went so far as to remove the engines before they went to the turn-in point sent by the gov’t.

              Even so, they’re already hooting about the process:

              http://www.detnews.com/article…

              Luckily, dealers in Colorado seem pretty knowledgeable…

              http://www.thedenverchannel.co…

              The only thing I’m opposed to in this program is $10 million to promote the program – seems like the word got out fine without it!

            1. but I didn’t speak up because I don’t drive.

              Then they gave me money for a house, but I didn’t speak up because I rent an apartment.

              Then they gave me money for health care, but I didn’t speak up because I’m healthy.

              Then they cut my balls off and executed my wife and starved me to death working on the eastern farm death camps, and there was nobody to speak up for me.  

  2. Boyles was making no sense earlier this week…something about Dick Lamm was going to promote assisted suicide and it was all in the health care bill under “end of life” care.

    Again and again, this nation is allowing unfettered crap to pollute its airwaves….you feed the people crap and you are going to wind up with s..t.as law….

    Now, I don’t want to shut talk radio up….I do want there to be a guaranteed way to provide an alternative to what is being said….to the same audience at the same time…

    For example, “end of lfe care” is a clinical term that many of us are, unfortunately, well acquainted with….it has to do with how to proceed medically whent he patient is terminal…It is tough enough when the patients has left specific instructions so all you have to do is help them through the last days….when there are not “end of life” instructions, the doctors have no choice but to continue with extraordinary care….which may be painful to the patient as well as very expensive.   It needs to be talked about…on the public airwaves….by knowledgeable clinicians, not those who put “revenue and ratings” above all decency.

    1. Here’s a link to facts:  

      http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…

      Also a column in today’s Denver Post by Fromma Harrop that explains the details, as well as who is behind the hysterical lies, very well.  

      Bottom line: The bill would have medicare pay for counseling on end of life care with your doctor only if you wanted it.  It’s a new benefit, not an attempt to get rid of the seniors before their time or make them feel guilty about living and using resources.

      http://www.denverpost.com/view…

       

        1. Plus they think that humane and sensitive end of life care, like medical care, education, college, and transportation should be for sale so that only the wealthy can get it.

    1. that the new program will kill all old people to save money.

      Seriously, that’s the argument. If you thought you were debating Republicans who were just concerned about taxation and the integrity of the private insurance market, you were wrong.

      The weirdest thing is that Obama was asked about this at a town hall, and instead of saying, “Oh God, that’s the craziest shit I’ve ever heard, what the fuck is wrong with you people?” he said, “Yeah, I guess it’s understandable you might wonder that since we’re advising people to get living wills.”

      1. All FREE, stay hear listen it’s FREE, did ya hear FREE.

        Ops … we ran out of money and did I tell you you’ll have to wait for service.  Did ya hear, your clunker is too old and doesn’t qualify, but here’s a pill you can take instead.

    2. You know, that socialistic medical program that has a 3% overhead, the one that more Americans are happy with than any other, the one that lets you pick your own doctor, the one that has no annual or lifetime caps, the one…

      Damned socialized medicine!

      Wish I had me some.  Wish I had me anything in between the aspirin bottle and the E.R.  

          1. If the government meaks no information available then we have no way of determining how good their decisions are. So yes, with no transparency we’re all left “just talking.”

            But I think that is an argument for transparency & open bidding. Otherwise we’re left having to just trust each person is making the best decision with no oversight.

            1. ….but given your lack of information you didn’t simply decide that you don’t know.  Instead, you decided that you do know (you know that H&H wasn’t the most qualified).  You are responsible for that line of thinking.  No one else.

              1. Where they pick the vendor they know best rather than determine who is the best vendor.

                That determination could be H&H. Or it could be someone else. But if they consistently turn to the vendor they know best, then statistically some of the time they are not getting the best vendor.

        2. The 17th St Lawyer crowd … earning their McMansions five corruption opportunities at a time.

          They’ve refined Jesse Jackson style corruption angles to a business art.

          They just refined and perfected his process for acceptance within the broad community coalitions that purport to speak for all of within this state.

          1. FYI, it’s a a secret society whose members are generally…..secret!  H&H has a website (really!) which discloses the names of its members, i.e. they are not…..secret.

            1. Jamaba don’t tell me you’re a jealous little elitist with a tiger tattoo’d on your ass who doesn’t get the meaning?

              Corruption angles now business art … they just refined and perfected the process for acceptance within the broad community coalitions that purport to speak for all Coloradans.  

  5. Gang:

    Can I get some help from my ColoradoPols friends?  I keep hearing of the right wing blogosphere.  I’ve already found the low hanging fruit of Malkin, Rush, Drudge, etc.  Can people post links to some of the other sites?  Not the absolute crazy stuff, but other state or national sites of the right wing that would comprise such a blogosphere.

    I do this for two reasons:

    1.  Maybe they have something interesting and useful to say.  The “even a blind squirrel can find a nut” theory.  Our society spends so much time talking past each other, maybe I should actually read what they say and understand why.

    2.  Know thy enemy.

    Thanks for the hand and remember the important stuff this Friday.  Family, friends, faith- and the Rockies playing meaningful baseball in August!

    2. Hotair.com is great, and very funny.

      RedState.com used to be very good, but is a little silly lately.  

      A few of their writers started their own blog which has some really brilliant analysis, particularly from  Francis Cianfrocca and Pejman Yousefzadeh:

      newledger.com

      Those are some of my favorites.

      1. Do these writers stick exclusively to their new site? Did they break with redstate completely? I really haven’t been there since the election.

        1. They pretty much stay to the NL.  Erickson is a bit shrill for my taste, but there are still about 50% well written posts on the site.  

          I believe they went over after the election.

  6. A new poll shows that less than half of Republicans believe Obama is a naturally-born citizen; 83% of independents think he is, and 93% of Democrats.

    That only a plurality of Republicans were willing to acknowledge the president was born in America is nothing short of astounding, considering the preponderance of evidence that confirms his Hawaiian birth.

    The conspiracy has a regional flavor. Overall, even including Democrats and independents, only 47 percent of respondents in the South said they believed Obama was born in America, with 23 percent saying he was not and 30 percent saying they were unsure. In the Northeast and Midwest, the percentage of respondents who believe Obama was born in the U.S. was over 90 percent.

    Ninety-three percent of Democrats say the president was born in the United States, as do 83 percent of independents.

    1. I think some of the confusion has to do with Hawaii being a non-white majority.  People from New Mexico have told me that visitors will ask if they need a passport to enter New Mexico and other confusion.  Seems there are quite a few American citizens who don’t know the borders of the country.

        1. The “One of Our 50 is Missing” feature has been a longstanding favorite in New Mexico Magazine for a lot longer than your NEA-reign conspiracy fantasies.  

    2. I mean, was all the paperwork done to admit Hawaii to the union BEFORE Obama was born there?

      This is the question that we need to ask…

      http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsme…

      Jeezus, even our own right-wing crackpot columnist David Harsanyi has a column today called “Obama was born in Hawaii, accept it!” And unlike his normal regurgitated NeoCon talk points, his column made a lot of sense about how it hurts the Right in making a case against Obama.

      Fine by me …keep talking the crazy…

      1. I went to the bank with a certified check from Bank of Hawaii to open an account. They told me there would be a delay for an international deposit plus they would have to find the currency conversion rate.

        I’m not that old – it had been a state for about 20 years at that time!

    3. What a weird country we live in.

      Oh well, I guess it’s a good thing. It means the majority of people who disagree with any given Obama policy are birfers, so they can be completely ignored.

      And it means among people with half a brain, Obama’s approval rating is actually still sky-high.

      1. how any thinking person can imagine there is a winning electoral strategy appealing to 15%-20% of the voters…

        oh wait, never mind.  

    4. is the loons aren’t just saying he doesn’t qualify for the presidency but that he is an illegal alien in spite of th fact that no one disputes his mom was a citizen and that’s all it takes.  

      Seems like there should have been even more hysteria over McCain by the loonytunes’ standards.  In that case, Dems in congress gave absolutely no credibility to those who wanted to disqualify him because he actually was born outside the US.  

      I know, I know… he was born on a US military base.  Just sayin’… no Dems in congress went along with anti-McCain loons.

      I’m not even sure being born outside the US makes you not a natural born citizen since being born to an American citizen outside of the US does not require that you be naturalized. If your born when your American  parents are working in France, for instance, you don’t have to be naturalized.  

      Also know that Barry Goldwater was born in Phoenix, in what was then the Arizona Territory of the United States, not yet a state.  He wasn’t prevented from running for President either.

      Do any lawyers out there know if “natural born” applies to any child of a US citizen regardless of birth place or not?

      1. Seriously.  Nobody but the lunatic fringe believes the birth certificate nonsense.  You can keep making it sound like it’s an RNC talking point but to a vast majority of Americans it’s on the same level as the 9/11 “troofer” B.S.

        1. I’m sure the RNC is trying on their tainted halo right now, and saying “Oh, we’re not encouraging this talk at all! We NEVER said anything about this!”

          They may not unleash the Crazies, but they’re not doing anything to stop it. Maybe they saw what happened to McCain the one time he acted decent, and decided that’s not of them.

            1. He’s kind of a whackjob. I don’t know of any group that would want to claim him. He does hate hate hate “the limp-minded lily-livered lefties” though. I think of him as a Republican, but if he turned out to be a Zell-on-Earth style Democrat, it wouldn’t shock me.

        2. but there’s about 25% of the country that thinks it’s probably true.

          And if you look at all the Congresspeople who can’t say for sure that he was born in the US, you realize that they know they have to appeal to the birfers. So they hint, “Yeah, maybe, who can be sure?” because they’re afraid of those people.

          http://www.salon.com/news/feat…

          Didn’t you spend a few weeks saying, “Why doesn’t he just release the birth certificate to keep these people quiet?” You see how much good that did. The people who are still saying that are feeding their movement. A birfer reads that and says, “Even reasonable people agree there are still questions, so I’ll just go ahead and answer them my own way.”

          1. Elvis is alive, and that 9/11 was an inside job.  What do you want me to tell you?  It’s not a big one with any of the R’s I know.  It’s idiotic.

            1. I think it’s hard to chalk it up to “the fringe” when it’s that large a percentage.

              I don’t really know what it says, but the birther story keeps getting played precisely because most people find it so ludicrous.

              I know that we all get frustrated by the wing nuts on the fringe of our respective parties. But this isn’t about the fringe. What makes this a story is that half of all R’s believe it.  

              1. One kos-funded poll came up with that.  Let Rasmussen give it a shot and we’ll see.  There’s a reason it’s being spun like this.

                1. Because it’s the only polling firm that’s consistently pro-Republican?

                  I won’t deny that Kos’ results tend to lean left, but Rasmussen leans as much to the right.

                  1. so far from the rest of the polls it’s a  rightie joke.   And what I saw was not a KOS poll.  Either NTY or NBC, forget which but will check if you insist.

                  2. This has been especially true with their presidential job approval polls. Since his inauguration, Obama has maintained a positive double digit spread in every poll in the Real Clear Politics average of polls. Even FOX News has Obama at over 50% approval and under 40% disapproval.

                    It’s not necessarily that Rassmussen always leans to the right (they did do a fairly good job predicting the outcomes of certain races in the 2008 election) but they are most definitely the outlier among the polling agencies right now.

                    That’s not to say that Obama hasn’t slipped from his ridiculously high approval numbers in January, but you don’t have to be Nate Silver to see that Rassmussen is totally unreliable when it comes to anything related to Obama or his policies.

                1. Half of all Republicans aren’t sure where he was born, but only about a quarter of Republicans are absolutely sure he wasn’t born in the U.S.

                2. Only 28%. But another 30% aren’t sure. So less than half of R’s believe he was born here.  

                  None of those numbers place the birthers on the fringe, though.

                  That’s your base, dude.

                  1. They’re too busy working to answer a poll and said “I don’t know”.

                    I know it’s anecdotal, but I can tell you that I’ve never heard a non-jackass talk about this.  It’s truly so stupid I don’t even want to waste any more time on it.

                    When the story first came up before the election it was interesting until we were shown proof that he was born here.  Done.  Move along, kids.

                    1. If you guys want to do the Pee Pee dance worrying about inflating the numbers of morons in another party with one silly, paid-for-by-Kos poll, go for it.  

                      I can’t be more clear that this one survey is not (IMO) anywhere close to reality.  I’d be much more worried about reality if I were you.

                      In the meantime we will sink his crappy healthcare, cap-and-trade, and card check bills.

                      Obama is screwing up enough things (Stupidly-gate?) in the real world that this birther idiocy will be a t-shirt in a couple of months.

                      I supported the guy and now totally regret it.  The way he’s handled spending and foreign relations is a terrible disappointment to me.  I’m who he needs to get this stuff done, not you guys.  And he’s lost me.

                    2. is that it’s an uncontrolled experiment.

                      We can never really know what would have happened if different decisions were made.

                      For example, as of today, the financial system hasn’t melted down and it appears that this recession may have bottomed. Is this because we bailed out banks and passed a whopper stimulus package? Or would everything have been just ducky if no action (or different action) had been taken? We’ll never know. But if we had done nothing and were subsequently looking at a Dow of 4000 and unemployment at 20%, we’d all be singing a different tune.

        3. Just saw a poll sited at Politico that says 58% of Republicans doubt Obama was born in the US. Thats a fringe?  Face it LB.  The loons have taken over the shrinking GOP.

          But here’s a ray of hope for sanity:

          Mr. Dobbs’ first began reporting on Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories on the night of Wednesday, July 15. In the roughly two weeks since then, from July 15 through July 28, Mr. Dobbs’ 7 p.m. show on CNN has averaged 653,000 total viewers and 157,000 in the 25-54 demo.

          By contrast, during the first two weeks of the month (July 1 to July 14) Mr. Dobbs averaged 771,000 total viewers and 218,000 in the 25-54 demo. In other words, Mr. Dobbs’ audience has decreased 15 percent in total viewers and 27 percent in the demo since the start of the controversy.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

            1. themselves as R are on the crazy town birther wagon?  Do you have competing polling numbers or are you just in denial as to the number of sane people who no longer want to admit to being R vs the number of self-proclaimed R loons. Show me your numbers? Didn’t think so, LB.

              1. Where’s my reply LB?  Fact is a minority of those willing to identify as Republicans are willing to accept, without doubt, that Obama is an American citizen.  The “nos” and “I’m not sures”  combine in a 58% majority.  That’s not the fringe of the GOP.  

                And here’s another interesting little item.  I saw a poll on MSNBC today (not a KOS poll, LB.  Think it was NBC)  that showed 92%  in northeast accept Obama’s citizenship as fact, 90% in in the midwest, something like 85% in the west and only 40 some % in the south ( think it was 43%), the stronghold of the GOP.  Maybe also the stronghold of folks who just can’t stand that a mixed race dude won the presidency fair and square? Hmmm… not doing a pee pee dance here. Just sayin…  

          2. What is Firedoglake’s obsession with jumping members of Congress with cameras? I mean, I understand why they do it, and the underlying premise (GOP reps are afraid of their far-right constituencies lashing out if they admit Obama is a citizen) is interesting, but it just rubs me the wrong way.

            Just like when they did it to John Salazar, I think that when you shove a camera in someone’s face like you’re Michael Moore, you get that kind of reaction no matter what question you’re asking.

            It might be funny, entertaining, etc. but it’s hardly real journalism.

            1. I have never been a fan of gotcha journalism myself.  However, the fact that members of congress will literally run away for fear of having to admit Obama is a US Citizen is far more absurd than the fact that Firedoglake people will stoop to chasing them around the capitol grounds with a camera and mic.  

        5. More and more republicans are picking up on and running with 3 talking points. The birther con, the “old people gotta die grift, and the “he’s a racist/socialist” angle.

          If you count the RNC in the lunatic fringe camp, fine. That explains it well. But at a point, you have to admit that the republican party as a whole is, at the very least, “wink/winking” to these charges.

          Do Virginia Wolf, Roy Blunt, Inhoffe, Shelby, Sessions, Miller, King, Mccotter and the rest of the reds shovelling this shit believe it themselves? Probably no. But as a long term strategy,promoting and selling, all at the same time, these 3 vile accusations to  the older (and in some cases younger to middle aged) disgruntled white conservative  republicans is a great way to rally the base against health care reform now, Obama in particular, and Democrats in general for 2012.

          We can debate endlessly whether or not this douchebaggery on the red side is ok and within the guidelines of basic decency, but to deny the republicans are doing it is “a complete suspension of reality”.

          I would say that we knew health care reform was a main platform for 44 when he ran. He was elected by 9 and a half million votes, with many, many folks knowing he would push for this legislation when they hit the lever. 2/3 of us want this. The republicans represent the interests of the wealthiest 2% of Americans (don’t ask me why in the world a middle class workin’ stiff would be delusional enough to get conned by oreilly, beck, cunny bob, caplis and limbaugh to think the republicans give a shit about him/her). Those people don’t want this, and they’re spending a million and a half a day to make sure it doesn’t happen. It’s the job of the RNC to make sure it doesn’t happen

          Whether by lies or fear or intimidation or buying down the Dem majority or all those things put together, that’s the republican strategy. The 3 cons are just the tactics.      

      2. There is some legal authority that defines children born to US citizens as “natural born citizens” regardless of where the individual was born.  There are 2 laws (or resolutions) passed in 1790 and 1795 (I think) that clarified the language.

        While I do not know if that would stand-up given that according to Marbury v. Madison, only the SCOTUS has the authority to interpret the constitution, the fact that the founders saw the ambiguity and attempted to correct it legislatively gives strong evidence of original intent.

        However, I have been loathe to discuss this since it just allows the bat shit crazies to feed their conspiracy addled minds and posit that I am just looking for cover.

        The reality is I think this will be a future problem given the globalization of society.  My wife was born in Brazil to 2 Americans doing missionary work, Why isn’t she eligible to be president? Ludicrous.

        I was working in London for an American company, What if my daughter had been born their? She would be ineligible.  Ludicrous.

         

        1. You indeed bat 999, but this is that 1.

          My mother was likewise born in Brazil to two American parents.  She is eligible to be present, I’m sure.  If McCain was born in Panama, anyone else born of American parents anywhere in the world is. The Canal Zone, I think, was still Panama, they just “let” us run the joint.

          1. The eligibility for president requires “natural born” not naturalized citizens.

            Though naturalized is defined, “natural born” is not.  There is some ambiguity in the constitution, that the congress tried to correct at the very start of the Republic.

            In order for the birthers argument to work at all, even if we accept their bat shit crazy ideas as facts, it would require an interpretation of “natural born” to mean that children born to an American mother outside the US are not natural born American citizens.

            I do not believe this to be the case, because the constitution only posits 2 types of citizens, natural born and naturalized.  The birthers argument requires a third category not included in the constitution.

            I think the constitution and the original intent is clear: My wife and your Mom are both eligible to be president.  My point was that this ludicrous argument will come up again.

            1. I was an army brat.  My mother was convinced that if she had a son overseas, he could never be president.  Bever tested her theory because she never give birth overseas.  Interestingly enough, she assumed that one had to be male to be president.  But I remember that was a big fear back in the day when babies showed up …with very little advance planning.

              McCain was born in the Canal Zone and Congress in 2006 or 7 passed a resolution saying that he was eligible to run for president.

              I think that there are real issues around “natural born”…totally independent of  Obama.

              I heard one of the “birther lawyers” on Cobert repeat that Obama was not a citizen because both parents had to be US citizens for their child to be a citizen.  That is unadulterated crap….

              The republican crap is working..not because it is intrinsically correct or even pr clever….it is because they can broadcast it, on the public airwaves. 24/7.  Have I mentioned this before?

                1. The target is to mobilize anti-Obama forces, by any means necessary, to defeat health care reform……..let us revisit this when the Congress votes in September…. I hope I am wrong…

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