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November 26, 2013 11:18 AM UTC

So You Like Recalls, Do You? Get Ready For More

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  • by: Colorado Pols

More to this easily-missed comment on the Recall Hudak Too campaign's Facebook page than meets the eye:

recallmarble

This year has already witnessed the first two recalls of sitting Colorado legislators in our state's history, and an attempt on a third state senator is presently underway. Victory in the two recalls held this past summer has put Colorado Republicans within a single seat of taking control of the Colorado Senate. With the balloting process thrown into disarray by a court ruling that prevented the normal delivery of mail ballots in recall elections, Republicans have found a way of overcoming growing Democratic dominance in general elections, picking off individual legislators in contests tilted to their advantage.

Well folks, it does appear that two can play at this game. The fact is, freshman Sen. Vicki Marble has had some of the worst embarrassments we've ever seen in such a short legislative career, from her rant against equal pay for women to her disastrous comments about race and diet that made national news. Marble is also a hand-picked Rocky Mountain Gun Owners candidate, which makes her an appealing target for Democratic retaliation against Dudley Brown's heavy involvement in this year's recalls.

To be perfectly honest, we've been waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It's folly to think that Democrats can't succeed in getting a recall election on the ballot against Marble or other Republican legislators. Marble's crazy comments and unappealing votes as part of the Republican caucus can certainly be vilified by petition gatherers, as much as anything Democrats have said and done this year. There's no reason to think that a similar investment of energy and capital to what Republicans have carried out against vulnerable Democrats can't succeed against vulnerable Republicans like Marble. In both cases, it's the aggressors who have the momentum.

We've warned repeatedly this year that successful recall elections had a strong likelihood of leading to more such recalls, and that in the end a vicious retaliatory cycle of recalls substituting for a functional democratic process was a very real possibility. At this point, Democrats have little choice but to fight back in kind, and turn the advantages Republicans have taken in the recalls so far against them.

Like it or not, the genie is out of the bottle.

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46 thoughts on “So You Like Recalls, Do You? Get Ready For More

  1. They hit Dave Balmer's district this weekend too! Balmer would be an absolute field day for Democrats in a recall. Balmer lied on his resume and had his mysterious "kidnapping" in North Carolina nefore schlepping his way to Colorado to stink up our politics. If Dems do go after Balmer in a recall, he'll have had it coming for a long time.

    I say good. It's time to make Dudley Brown pay for this shit. Take some back.

  2. I got a poll call about the recall of Randy Baumgardner here in Summit County. Many of the questions were about 2nd amendment and abortion. He won the last election with 51% of the vote.

          1. Hey – no complaints on my end if Evie doesn't resign.  Actually, most conservatives that I know are hoping she decides to fight for her seat 😉 

              1. I will be blunt:

                a) the right is skeptical that you guys can pull off a recall drive; and 

                b) because of this skepticism instead of coming off as a threat, this is being interpreted as you guys freaking out that Hudak is gong to go down

                    1. Once a resignation watch has begun, it generally is completed with a resignation. And I've heard a lot of chatter from both sides that she is resigning if the signatures are even close to the number needed. 

                    2. Elliot, Elliot, Elliot…

                      Once a resignation watch has begun, it generally is completed with a resignation.

                      You wanna provide the data that supports this assertion?

                       

                    3. Just random stuff I remember hearing from past resignation watches.

                      So when do you predict Hudak will resign?  Or are you betting on no resignation?

                    4. So when do you predict Hudak will resign?  Or are you betting on no resignation?

                      My ignorance on these front range political situations is staggering. Remember, Elliot, I do not live in the middle of nowhere, but you can see it from my front porch.

                      I have no sense of how it is going, one way or the other.

                    5. Fair enough – and I am not very good at making predictions like this either – I'm just relaying what I am hearing from both sides…who knows if it is accurate. 

                1. Oh and thanks for being blunt. My turn. 

                  The right was positive Romney was going to win and that the polls were all wrong. Here in Colorado the right was quite sure (or at least made noises to that effect) that 2012 was going to be 2010 all over again.

                  The astuteness of the right has not been overly impressive for quite some time.

                  1. BC, 
                    I don't doubt that the left will try a recall or two.  But even when you all had tons of union money behind you in the attempt to recall the Wisconsin Governor, you still failed.  Who knows – maybe you can pull it off here.  We'll see. 

                    1. First of all we're talking about right here in Colorado, not Wisconsin, so I take exception to your use of  "you". Second a recall of a Governor is a pretty high bar. Several R legislators were successfully recalled in Wisconsin. No Dem legislators were.

                      Not making any comment here on whether or not there should have been recalls in that state. Just correcting your interpretation of their success/failure record. And of course counter recall isn't the only tool in the tool box as we are seeing today.

                    2. "tons of union money…" Ah, yes, hammer that point. Truth is, all union money gets reported–not necessarily because of campaign finance laws but because other laws concerning unions require disclosure, so it can be traced. It is much harder to trace much of the other spending.

                      A grand jury is still investigating the pro-Walker spending for violations, including failure to report. Some charges already, much more investigation going on. It is already established that the pro-Walker spending was much greater than the pro-recall side.So yes, there was "tons of union money," but it was overwhelmed by the other side. You are delibertely misleading.

        1. Or are you all going to permit us on the right to have a shot at control of the Senate?

          1) You had your shot. It was called an election. 

          2) What does"permitting" have to do with it? Your side is employing the maneuver of recall in what here in Colorado is an unprecedented way. Sure, it's not illegal but there has always been an understanding that has heretofore been observed just as there has been an understanding about the use of filbuster that, thanks to your side, has gone out the window  

          According to the rumor cited Dems may be considering countering the right's maneuvers with a maneuver of their own.  If true, it's as simple as that. Nothing to get all high horse or smirky about.

          How's this for a freak out?  Colorado Dems can use this maneuver to counter any legislator recall if they so choose and the subject of the recall agrees, to block the right from replacing any more legitimately elected Dems.

          I would prefer to see this recall attempt fail but if it becomes apparent that it will succeed, I sincerely hope that the resignation formula will be followed and the Rs favorite shiny new toy will be broken. That will end the permanent recall/do over nonsense for the time being and that would be a very good thing.  

  3. Sorry, Dave, but it's not something the legislature can do easily.  The provision creating problems is in the constitution and dates back to 1912.  Legislature could offer it as a referred measure to the voters, but I think that will only happen when the Republicans also start to suffer the consequences of the low threshold for recalls (25% of votes in last election).  Additionally, I believe that we should require more substantial reasons for a recall than "not liking how they voted."  Other states have such provisions.

     

    1. I think so too. First step.  Give Rs some of their own medicine and maybe they'll get on board.  In some states there has to be crime or malfeasance or other objective cause besides I don't like your vote on this or that and I want a do-over. 

      1. BlueCat wore: “Give Rs some of their own medicine and maybe they'll get on board.” 

         

        The problem with this approach is that it will just perpetuate the use of the recall process for political reasons, not reasons of wrongdoing. What’s the point of having a general election if the losing side can remove the winner from office for political reasons?

  4. Count Scott Renfroe of Greeley in. I got a call last weekend too. Better hurry though, he's term limited in 2014.

    Renfroe is a total doucherocket and people up here know it. Bring on a recall!

  5. Recall that petition signatures are required to force a recall election, in number equivalent to 1 out of 4 of the people who voted in the last election.  That’s not insignificant.  I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect those attempting to recall Hudak may be about to find out just how difficult it is to collect enough signatures.

    Also keep in mind the voter base for each recall election is composed of the same people who voted each targeted senator in to begin with.  This means that generally speaking, there needs to be a shift in sentiment within the recall target’s district, that is, people changing their minds about the candidate they voted for.  Do you really think these two successful recalls are going to lead to a perpetual recall battle?  Do you think voters are going to get out and sign those petitions on the 5th and 6th recall election attempts?  What about the 20th?  At some point there will be recall fatigue.  And what does it mean for successive tries once attempts start failing to gather enough signatures?

    I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that other shoe to drop.  Between the petition requirement and getting people out to vote in the recall election itself, there’s plenty to dissuade your run-of-the mill partisan group from carrying out a successful recall campaign.  This idea of the perpetual recall cycle seems to be popular primarily with the crowd who didn’t agree with the results of the first two recall elections.

    1. Ulf wrote: “This idea of the perpetual recall cycle seems to be popular primarily with the crowd who didn’t agree with the results of the first two recall elections.”

       

      In all fairness both parties are guilty of misusing the recall process when they weren’t satisfied with how elections turned out: e.g. Democrats trying to recall the Governor of Wisconsin, Republicans trying to recall several Colorado legislators, etc.

       

      The recall process needs to made more restrictive and only permitted in a narrow set of circumstances: e.g. credible evidence of  corruption or some other kind of criminal activity. Elections are meaningless if the losing side in a general election has the ability to remove a legitimately elected candidate from office for any reason.

    2. This idea of the perpetual recall cycle seems to be popular primarily with the crowd who didn’t agree with the results of the first two recall elections.
       

      What nonsense. The third recall is being attempted by whom?

       

      1. Allow me to clarify.  The mistaken idea that two recalls will lead to never ending recalls is what’s popular with those who didn’t agree with the results of the first two.  The reality is it’s not going to lead to never ending recalls.  The idea that it will is just a way for those who disagree with the first two to find fault with the system.

        1. There is plenty of fault to find with the system, Ulf. Take a look at all of this madness – millions of dollars spent fighting for and against recall elections, instead of waiting for a regular election which might be only a month or two away.

          People out in the streets, waving signs,  cursing each other out, demonizing their opponent whom they were on friendly terms with just a year ago, yelling at each other. Right wing radio stations and newspapers making their entire message revolve around a recall election, selling ads. I guess that it's good for the media, but it sure isn't good for the small d democratic process.

          1. I respect your opinion regarding the faults you cite above.  However, the point I’m making here is that it’s unlikely that we’re going to have non-stop recalls from now on, for the reasons mentioned in my original post.

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