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Eceptionally weak, and supremely lame.
Hasn't anyone told Herr Rove that these hilariously staged, utterly bogus, GOP operative-filled anti-Obamacare ads are like, so last February?
Nothing has been brought forth indicating that McKim is a "GOP operative." She works for Noble Energy, as do many other people, and that appears to be coincidental. Further, Noble Energy's PAC is not listed as having contributed to Gardner–in fact, its only Colorado contribution is to Udall. Noble's executive's have contributed to Udall as well.
Noble Energy has contributed $ 12,300 so far to Cory Gardner in 2013-2014 according to open secrets.
Wrong. From the Open Secrets website:
The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
That should be obvious, since one of Udall's top contributors is the Universty of Colorado–obviously, CU doesn't make contributions, but people who work for CU do. In fact, Noble Energy's PAC has contributed to Udall only–you can check that on the FEC's website.
Omg
this is a good catch, and a valid point.
ps, the reason they donate to Udall, is they know he's going to win
Thank you for the clarification Old Time Dem – you are correct.
It seems strange to me that if an individual contributes to Udall or Gardner and happens to work for Noble Energy, that the contribution is listed under Noble Energy. I have given to a lot of campaigns and where I am employed never came into the picture, but I am not very familiar with how that all works.
There is a reason. I worked for a defense contractor once, long ago, and the practice was to invite mid to upper management to the chief's house for a barbeque and to then "suggest" that they donate to this or that candidate. By "suggest," of course, I mean "give or get fired." This was a way to contribute a good chunk of cash while (a) avoiding campaign donation limits and (b) making it look like individual donations rather than corporate donations (individual donations are more seemly, as they look less driven by barefaced greed). Gathering donations by organization helps point out these patterns.
Doesn't pretty much any campaign contribution require thedonor to provide their employer info theses days? It's probably intended to ferret out what you're talking about Progessicat
You appear to be incredibly naive. And rather defensive as well.
Naive? I doubt it. I actually know how to read a campaign finance report–which apparently you (and Stokels) don't. You're as bad as douchebags like Moderatus and AC: something challenges your worldview and you get all defensive. My suggestion is you take your head out of your ass before you accuse me of being naive–or defensive.
Fuck you8, asshole.
My, my. Guess I touched a nerve there.
By the way, there is no *'8" in you.
Re-read your previous post, you smug, sanctimonious, defensive asshole, and THEN tell me us who has "touched a nerve."
Amateur.
When you say, "Old Time Dem"…what do you mean?
Do 'coincidental' and 'Karl Rove' go together?
Why? Do you question my bona fides because I point out something that's true?
OTD, I don't question your bona fides, but the financial and anecdotal data can be interpreted differently.
Gardner has raised almost 5 million in the last year for his Senate bid.. Anadarko and Nobel have contributed $23,000 and $30,000 of dollars to Cory Gardner this year.- Both via individual employees, and by their PACS. This is a link to an excel spreadsheet, which anyone can download from the influence explorer site, showing the individual and corporate contributions. The McKims aren't listed.
Nothing in that says anything definitive about the McKims, or how credible Richelle McKim's ad against Obamacare is. Others have researched her claim that she had to go back to work because of the ACA, and found it to be false. She went back to work for more money, duh.
Mark Udall, sadly, is indeed the top recipient of Anadarko dollars ($6,000) in the last year, although the company gives to Republicans 90% of the time. This unfortunately probably explains Udall's stance against the two anti-fracking ballot initiatives.
However, Ms. Mckim is definitely a lady with a conservative agenda (thanks, Pcat for linking to a meetup group McKim is a member of, on which she writes:
So McKim is a strong conservative, and has an axe to grind against the Affordable Care Act. She is not credible as some random suburban mom. From her FB page, McKim is also training as an "Industry Ambassador", which means that she will eventually move on from advocating against the ACA to advocating for the Colorado Oil and Gas Association. By the way, I find the Anadarko and Noble money contributing to anti-ballot initiatives to be the real scandal – I haven't copied the TRACER data here, but you're talking millions, not thousands, of dollars.
I would guess that McKim's political contributions probably go to some Republican or Tea Party PAC – because of Supreme Court decisions, we may never know.
Stokol's reporting is valid, as far as it goes. He just needs to hire Pcat or myself as research staff. I don't know why you folks are being mean to each other – seems like pole vaulting over mouse turds.
According to the FEC website, Noble Energy's PAC has given only to Udall. Nothing to Gardner. Noble employee's have given to both Udall and Gardner. Do you dispue either of those facts?
The question isn't whether she is credible or not–obviously, her entire story is bogus. The question is whether it is accurate to describe her as an "operative"–which she is not, and whether Stokels got his facts right on contributions. He did not; to quote directly from his article:
"Noble Energy has given Gardner’s campaign $36,000 to date."
The page he links to shows no such thing; in fact, it makes clear that Noble's PAC hasn't given to Gardner, and all contributions are from employees. It also misrepresents by omission, since his article doesn't point out that Noble has contributed–in greater amounts–to Udall. That is certainly a relevant fact, but somehow he missed it. On the point of contributions, Stokels reporting seriously misleads.
BTW, the data in the Influence Explorer website is only through the fourth quarter of 2013, which makes it somewhat dated.
1. Open Secrets shows $12,300 to Gardner from Noble employees in 2013-2014. (line 12) Influence Explorer shows $23,700 from Noble employees and PACS to Gardner during 2013-2014. Why you're making such a big deal about the distinction between corporate PACS and individual donors I have no clue.
2. Stokel's link doesn't show what he says it shows – that may be a link problem, not a source problem. He should correct it, if so. It does show 29K from individuals, 7K from PACS, from Anadarko, for Gardner, in 2013-2014.
3. McKim's training as an Industry Ambassador makes her more of an oil and gas operative than a Republican party operative – however, that's almost the same thing, these days. She is attractive and sympathetic, and I expect her to be a rising GOP media star in many more ads for favorite Koch-approved talking points. Whether that makes her an "operative" by your definition, I don't really care to wrangle over.
4. Senate candidates don't have to do realtime electronic filings- so Gardner and Udall will always be a bit out of date on the FEC site. However, it definitely includes 2014 data- if you click on the links in my comments. you'll see 2014 data.
Why draw a distinction between individual donors and a company? Because it is a pretty crucial distinction. As I noted above, employees of CU have given a lot of money to Udall. Does that make CU a Udall contributor? I don't thinks so. Employees can, and do, have beliefs independent of their employers, and vice versa.
That Stokels' link doesn't show what he claims is not a minor issue. He has made an assertion that he didn't back up, and his assertion cannot be backed up because it's false. That is not good reporting, even if he got the rest of it right.
There is nothing that shows any Noble Energy PAC contributions to Gardner. On the Influence Explorer page, that would show up as a dark portion of the graph. On the Open Secrets page, the total under "From Orgs" (which would be the PAC) is zero for Gardner and $2,500 for Udall.
Your conclusion that a bit of PR training is evidence that this twit is going to be "rising GOP media star in many more ads for favorite Koch-approved talking points" after her debut has been so thoroghly trashed seems unlikely. But then again, Republicans are drawn to some pretty strange spokespeople. Further, what she wants to be isn't what she is now, so even if her goal in life is to be an oil and gas industry flack, that doesn't make her a GOP operative now.
As for the data, the Influence Explorer pages are quite clearly labelled as current throught the 4th quarter of 2013. Perhaps their detail is more up to date. Open Secrets seems to have more current data.
So I assume that you've written to Stokols at the Post? Because I doubt that he has the patience or inclination to wade through acres of comments here. Myself, I'm done.
I would have if there was an e-mail link to him, but I didn't see one.
Old Time Dem = Dixiecrat = New Republican.
Not fooling anyone.
Have you ever looked at my comment history?
Pay him no heed. He's a sockpuppet.
Fuck you. I've been a member since 1999.
No, I was telling you to pay DustPuppy no heed.
Damn, switch to Decaf.
I do apologize (sincerely).
No offense taken. Tensions run high here, sometimes, and DustPuppy was out of line. But, that was his intent.
Calling me a Dixiecrat is calling me a racist. Care to back that up?
She certainly has some political feelings that predispose her to ACA hostility, at any rate.
We should be ashamed to be even remotely suspicious of this crap !
Yep, that's the one positive in dealing with these rightie feather-brained imbeciles: Because we know they are craven cowards and shameless, bald-faced liars, their sh-t can always be taken at face value — WYSIWYG.
They have no sense of humor or irony whatsoever, much less a sense of decency, morality, integrity or ethics.
A pretty adequate description of yourself, too, based on your comments above.
Bugger off, Mr, Touchy.
Have a nce day!
Or kill yourself; I'm indifferent.
Cram it, Touchy.
DP, If you're a woman, and single, I think I may just be in love . . .
;~)
I guess you didn't go for killing yourself. A pity.
You have done nothing but respond with invective to my comment, which made two basic points: one, that Richelle has not been demonstrated to be a "GOP-operative", and, two, that the Noble Energy PAC has contributed to Udall (which is not surprising, given that he worked to keep the anti-fraccing measures off the ballot), but not Gardner. You haven't even tried to engage those questions; instead, you have done nothing but talk trash.
Is Richelle a dumb as a post, probably racist teabagger? Probably. But your knee-jerk comment, and Stokel's interpretation of Open Secrets' presentation of campaign contribution data (shared by other posters in this thread), are wrong.
So keep flinging poo and acting like a moron. More than anything, that reminds me of Pols' resident right-wing trolls, Moderatus and AC, who never, ever seem to be able to respond to the substance of a post. You're welcome to wear their mantles for today.
Colorado has a very high suicide rate, it is a public health crisis as a matter-of-fact, and it is not only crass by highly irresponsible to tell anyone to kill themselves.
You, sir or ma'am, should be ashamed. Here, at Pols, ''cracker' gets you booted but telling someone to kill themselves is OK I guess. Even in jest, unless you know the person specifially, it offensive. Sorry DP got your boxers in a bunch, but that is uncalled for. I am personally offended, having friends that did–in fact–kill themselves. POS putz.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23895113/colorado-suicide-rate-reached-record-high-2012-health
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/PW_ISVP_Health-Watch-Suicide-in-Colorado-2007-2011.pdf
http://www.cpr.org/news/story/recent-teen-suicides-grim-reminder-colorados-troubling-rate
I am deeply ashamed. I should have, after being called "naive", "defensive", "smug", "sanctimonious", an "asshole", and told to "fuck off" and "bugger off" (hey, isn't that homophobic?) just meekly apologized.
Or not. The internet is a rough place. Get over it.
No…not homophobic…British.
True. But one of the criticisms of previous AFP/Rove ads has been that the subjects were actually Republican "operatives"–i.e., part of party leadership or family of such. Richelle is clearly a RWNJ and likely kind of racist ("I want my Republic back" and her weird comment about illegal immigrants sound racist to me, anyway), but so far there hasn't been anything brought forth to indicate that she actually hold any party leadership position. To the extent that that shows that AFP/Rove are trying to improve their ads, that's interesting–but the fact that the best they can do is this Palinesque dimwit doesn't bode well for their message.
I think you may be defining the term operatives a little too narrowly. When it comes to the phony horror stories (and so far, all of them have been phony), there's always been a clear connection between "victim" and the GOP (far beyond "Registered Republican").
That's my point–there is a difference between "holds crazy right-wing views" and "operative." The latter generally refers to a political professional–i.e., someone paid by candidates or a party, or, more loosely, it could mean someone who holds a party position (such as on a party committee). The farthest reach of the term would be to include anyone who volunteers on behalf of a party–but that is really a stretch, and I have never heard anyone referred to as an "operative" merely because they work a phone bank.
In any event, it has not been established that there is a connection between Richelle and the GOP other than she's a RWNJ (it hasn't even been alleged that she's a registered Republican, which wouldn't be surprising–although given her views, she might be registered with the ACP or some other right-wing third party).Stokels tried to connect her to the GOP by claiming that her employer was a GOP, and specficially, a Gardner, contributor–which, according to FEC records, they are not since their PAC has contributed only to Udall in Colorado. Not to repeat myself, but Stokel misread Open Secrets' reporting by failing to distinguish between contributions by Noble Energy's PAC (all of which have been to Udall) and contributions by Noble Energy employees (which are split between Udall and Gardner).
From the article: "McKim said she was connected with Crossroads GPS through “a friend of a friend” and that she’s pleased with the ad’s portrayal."
C'mon, OTD… really?
That explans how she came to be in this stupid ad, but knowing someone who knows someone at GPS doesn't make her an "operative." Insisting otherwise is ridiculous.
Pretending that she's not acting on behalf of GPS, through "a friend of a friend" is disingenuous. She is promoting their agenda in a demonstrably false ad. I'm not saying she's on their payroll, for crying out loud. Lots of people work for other people's agenda's free of charge. Do you really think her and her husband's employers won't be appreciative of her "service"?
Whoever said she isn't acting on behalf of GPS? She's in their ad, for crissakes! The point is that she was not an "operative" and that Stokels' reporting on contributions is seriously flawed.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, you folks are twisting yourself in circles trying to avoid the obvious:
1. Richelle was not an "operative" under any reasonable definition of the term; and,
2. Stokels' article misleads on campaign contributions because it affirmatively misstates that Noble Energy has contributed to Gardner (it has not) and it omits the very relevant fact that Noble Energy, through its PAC, has contributed to Udall.
SO, you concede that she is acting on their behalf, but she's not an "operative". WTF do you think an operative is?
For some reason there is no "Reply" button on your comment below, so I will respond here.
Prior AFP/GPS ads used people who were "operatives" before they appeared in ads–i.e, they were actually party officials (or former officials, or related to them). One of the criticisms of those ads was that they tried to represent the subject as a "real person" or "just folks," when in fact they were not. This ad is a bit diffferent in that, so far, nothing indicates that Richelle was an "operative." She is just a run-of-the-mill RWNJ.
Your argument that she is an operative because she appears in the ad is boot-strapping, and proves too much; under your theory, no one who appears in an ad could ever be a "real person" because, once in an ad, the subject becomes an operative.
There's a maximum comment "depth." Once you reach it, you can only reply to the first comment that hit that mark (no more indenting or reply buttons).
You're actually a sanctimonious, bitter, weirdly sensitive, over-reactive asshole. But maybe that's just my take. Suicide is not a matter to be taken lightly and I think you are worth no more of my time.
Apparently, "Fuck you8, asshole" is a permissible response.
Gee, what happened to "The Internet is a rough place. Get over it." ?
I guess you missed the aggressive part of my passive-aggressive (but not sanctimonius nor bitter) comment.
I didn't miss it. I'm calling you on it.
Then you're overthinking it. Or something.
Nothing is perfect and every new program does have some people for whom it causes problems rather than providing solutions. So why can't the Republicans ever seem to find one?
In ad after ad we get a story that is quickly debunked, usually with the poor "victim" turning out to be better off with the ACA reforms, sometimes only no worse off than they were before. But their sob stories never check out.
If she wants her high blood pressure husband to have the freedom to be uninsured with the potential of all kinds high blood pressure related health issues for which his fellow citizens would have to pick up the tab, that isn't evidence of ACA's failure. It's evidence that her husband prefers taking risks that others will have to pay for if they turn out to be bad ones. The public thanks him.
Maybe the reason every one of these ads ends in debunking is that the number adversely affected really is very small compared to the much larger number who benefit. If we want everyone to benefit we need a basic, quality national health coverage package. But many more people are better off as compared to the number for whom this isn't working which is the best we can do in the absence of the civilized 21st century guaranteed health care all the other modern industrialized nations have for a lot less than what we have to spend for inferior coverage.
As far as I know, the only people demonstrably hurt by Obamacare are those unfortunate to live in GOP-controlled states that didn't extend Medicaid benefits. So they are caught it a legal gap where they fall below the income level to qualify for ACA coverage rebates, but since they can't get Medicaid either, they are hit with the full cost of their private insurance bill.
Courts won't help them out and the GOP is laughing their asses off that the ACA assumed all states would sign up for the Medicaid expansion. They think it's fun to fuck with the poor and powerless. Rick Perry's advice — Suck it up Peasants! What other use is there for power, right?
The GOP are getting desperate. They need to lie because that is all they have,
The Voters Need to Destroy the Republican Party Through the Ballot Box
Enough is enough.The Republican Party doesn't believe in governing and has descended into an institution made-up of individuals, consultants and power brokers who think objexctive facts are irrelevant. In the movie Animal House when John Belushi said: "We didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!" it was funny, but in real life the truth and objective facts matter but Republican dogma dictates that anything goes, including lying and ignoring facts.
The truth and objective facts have real consequences in the world and to ignore them or conciously lie like this TV ad does can only mislead people into making decisions that make no sense. For a political party that claims traditional morality as one of its cornerstones, the Republicans have abandoned it for whatever reason, but their motives don't really matter. The fact they prefer lies to the truth and their cavalier attitude toward credibility disqualifies their candidates from holding office. Let's be done with the Republican Party. Voters across the country need to send them into the history books.
D, Your "as far as I know" lead in are not words of limitation.
The premise of Obamacare was to hurt a lot of people by raising their rates and taxes to pay for benefits to relatively few.
Any younger American who is not being subsidiezed is "hurt" because their rates are higher than required in order to subsidized older folks.
You are entirely full of shit.
AChole — "The premise of Obamacare" is obviously not clear to you. Your Disinformation Ministry position, however, is very clear.
And you never did answer Curmudgeon's question:
As long as you keep lying and spinning BS, don't expect any kind words from me.
Answer questions? Yeah, he doesn't do that (BTW, +1,000 for "AChole"). His style is more like a mean-spirited developmentally disabled adult who waddles into a room, throws wild punches and shrieks gibberish, and then waddles out in triumph, not realizing it's only pity and the social contract that prevents people from beating him senseless.
Willfully Ignorant Phuckstik
Demonstrate how the premise of ACA is to hurt the many for the few. Show stats. Show how young people are paying higher rates for insurance now than they were paying for insurance before ACA. Show stats. No anecdotes. Stats.
I'm paying less. My son is paying less than anything he could find pre ACA. Please demonstrate how we are statistic anomalies. Please demonstrate how this woman's story has not been been shown to be untrue. If you can't do any of these things please shut up as you clearly don't know WTF you're talking about.
Crickets.
75% happy (very or somewhat satisfied) – that's the latest obamacare satisfaction numbers I've seen, from the Commonwealth Fund Study. 58% better off, 9% worse off. This includes 3/4 of Republicans.
Yeah but the people who have insurance through their employers and got to keep it, in other words most people, don't know anything about it and don't particularly care that people who don't have decent insurance through their jobs now have affordable protection. They don't want anyone to get subsidized so they can Never mind a lot of those people wind up in the ER at the expense of the same people who don't want them to have subsidized coverage. That's what those who don't need the exchange for coverage and only know what they hear from the lying righties about it are dissatisfied with.The overwhelming majority of people who do need it and went through the process know how much better off they are. Neither ACA nor Benghazi, now completely debunked by a Repubican majority committee as a scandal or cover up, is going to save AC's buddies from the not so slow moving glacier of dempgraphics that's going to erase them as a national party if they continue down the wacko rightie path.
AC,You may very well be doing a happy dance (nationally but not here in Colorado) after the 2014 election. Enjoy it. You won't be doing much happy dancing in 2016 or beyond. Gerrymandering and voter suppression schemes are increasingly being shot down by the courts and that's really all you've got. You certainly have no record of success for your completely discredited economic or geopolitical or "scientific" theories and you can't get your bigots to stop insulting soon to be majority non-white voters and women. Young people aren't going to be swayed by your anti-gay, anti-choice rhetoric. Without suppression and gerrymandering, you'll have nothing left, sooner rather than later. Good riddance.
BC,gerrymandering?
The Senate can't be gerrymandered, it is statewide.
In the house it is largely the progressive we need to make sure there is a "fill in the blank" represented to we are going to put them all in one district that causes the problem.
Actually, everyone and their mothers are pissed at the GOP. Gerrymandering districts will be proven as a massive failure in this elections when every Republicans who thinks they're safe in the gerrymandered district are tossed out for their utter idiocy and obstruction.
are you drunk or being purposely deceptive? BC did NOT say gerrymandering affected Senate races.
STUPID and intentionally deceptive is my take.
Michael Bowman put it best:
You know, if the moniker AChole sticks, then the GOP's Ministry of Disinformation might have to find a new user name 🙂 (same dipshit, of course)
I hear "ArapaGOP" is currently available . . .
I remain unsure re: the 'willfully' part, to be honest.
Well you haven't taken the Senate yet. In the last several election cycles you've failed to take the WH or the Senate. So what's your point?
The senate? Ho Hum . . .
( . . . I don't know how "The World's Greatest Deliberative Body" has evolved into something vestigial, but . . . )
. . . you won't find sixty votes to do anything . . . ;"Let's not-end-the-human-race-today Day"?). . . there in what's left of my lifetime.
my point is their bastion is the House, subject to gerrymandering. But even that won't last forever in states with growing Latino citizen populations
If the GOP can hang onto state legislatures for a bit they will still have to get more and more creative in their map-making if they want to try to cling to power. Its an increasingly old, geographically concentrated, demographically declining party. It is just the way it is, their platform is less and less appealing everyday to the real America.
Nice Ad.
As more people experience Obamacare, more people dislike Obamacare.
That is what the polling shows.
Time for some payback.
So, it's a "nice ad", despite the fact that it's completely false, or because of it?
Its nce because it comes from his side. Truth. Falsehoods. Those are merely words–like zygote, extreme, war, on, women.
Andrew, more people dislike the GOP. 2 days ago, a new WSJ poll came out showing the American people give your party a 19% approval rating. Also in the poll, a overwhelmingly majority of latino, women, black, and young voters disapprove of the GOP. That is what the polling shows. Time for some payback.
Yeah, yeah….Black, Latino, Women, and Young Voters hate the GOP.
But what about Real Americans?
You're reading the poll wrong. The first rule or Troll is: Does it reflect poorly on my side? If Y, disregard.
19% of the electorate are morons !
AC- I'd believe if you really had anything you'd be more than pleased to quote from, cite,or link us all to the "poll" you mention but, as usual for wingers,you didn't. Is that wingnut "Payback"in the form of people not having health insurance? Now that I'd believe. I suspect I could administer a "poll"showing that a significant number of people regard conservatives as idiots and assholes.
Lang,
Back by popular request the Kaiser Poll:
And again, you left out the important parts, you lying, cowardly, unpatriotic chickenshit.
He is a worthless, despicable, amoral jackal, isn't he?
The best and brightest of the GOP trolls, I guess. I really do believe he thinks he's "stickin' it to the Libz", in whatever sick, sad, world he lives in, where he can justify the most vile positions, falsehoods, and bigotry, all the while telling himself that he's fighting the good fight.
I've yet to meet so much as one of these demented racist Teabag chuckleheads who didn't think (s)he was the smartest, most informed and most clever person in any room. Their grossly inflated sense of importance is only exceeded by their insufferable elistism, arrogance and self-righteousness. God help anyone not just like them who has to live with or near them.
Hell, I was married to one!
Operative word="was". We're friends, of a sort, now. We just have to strictly limit the conversation topics.
So, Dawn Patrol, I'm a lifelong, traditional, conservative Republican. Last time I checked, I'm not demented. I'm not racist and I'm not a "teabagger." I don't think I'm the smartest person around, most informed, or most clever (altho I do have a rather sardonic sense of humor at times). I don't have a grossly inflated sense of importance. And I don't subscribe to being an elitist. And, by the way, I don't believe in what I assume is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god that you quote.
How do you like those apples?
Regards,
Conservative Head Banger (AC/DC Rules !)
Actually, I don't fancy those misplaced apples at all.
The key word here is "teabagger." You're not one, I know that. You're a thoughtful, articulate, reasonable, conservative Republican. (I miss those, and always appreciate your input.) Thus, my post was not meant for you, or in any way aimed at you, capice?
So what does it say about the credibility of a poll where the total percentages exceed 100%?
AC dropped his load?
What poll would that be?
Except for the people who got insurance on the excahnge, most of whom like it.
The people who experience it are not in fact the ones more prone to disapproving of it. As usual, AC is a bottomless pit of misinformation. There is a difference between lying anecdotes from a few people and stats on the group that has attained insurance through ACA. Just like there's a difference between finding a few African Americans to put on a GOP podium, and stats on how most African Americans vote. Also just like picking a raging rightie wacko with an X chromosome to try to pull votes from disappointed HRC supporters isn't the same as finding a way to appeal to women on the issues important to the majority of women.
Anecdotes (99% false) and look…. here's a fill-in-the-blank minority, proving that the GOTP isn't the party of bigots are all they've got.
Yup – as in the example I mentioned recently – a local Repub Party chair declared to the friendly crowd that having a woman as candidate for Lt Governor proves there is no Repub War on Women, and having a Congressional candidate of Chinese descent proves there is no Repub bias against immigrants. I think the vast majority of them buy into this version of "logic."
Eli Stokols is one bright light in the fading universe of journalism. I hope he stays in Denver.
Well, maybe Elliott can chime in with another Totally True Personal Obamacare Horror Story that completely falls apart under scrutiny.
OK, I just clicked back onto this thread–about the poorly-executed advertisement–after putting Pols to bed late yesterday afternoon.
What have I missed?
What is or is not a political "operative," and whether employee contributions can tell us anything about whether oil and gas generally, or specifically Nobel Energy, loves them some Garder and Udall more–as opposed to only formal electioneering organizations (your PACs and the like). Oh, and if OTD has his boxers in too tight a bunch puzzling over such heady matters.
And lots of invective, as per usual.
@OldtimeDem: Tweet to @elistokols
He also has his own website, http://www.elistokols.com/, with all kinds of ways to contact him.
We need Moderatus' "dead horse" gif here, but the main thing I saw wrong with the way he quoted the opensecrets page was the numbers: It should have been $12,300 for Gardner from Noble in 2013-14. Influence explorer showed a total of 23,700 for all years. Stokols quoted it as $36,000, which coincidentally is the sum of the two amounts above, so he may be looking at another source or ????
I don't care if "Richelle" is an "operative", or just an oil and gas shill looking for media exposure, which is what I think that she is. Stokols, BTW, didn't call her an "operative". Neither did Steve Benen of the Maddow Blog, which re-posted the story. Neither did Pols, for that matter, in the OP. So your beef is with Dawn Patrol.
Where's that damn dead horse gif when I need it?
Can you even read? Nowhere do I ascribe the "operative" term to Stokels.
No, moron. She was pointing out that your caterwauling about the term operative had nothing to do with Stokols' article; that it was screeching about a term we used.
There's more to reading than just reading. There's comprehension.
I wonder why disclosure rules require employer then over a certain amount (lots of 'retired,' family embers, spouses — not necessarily in this case, I have not looked into it, but often) if such identification and correlation is useless?
I think the fact that such disclosure is required is an indication that–at the least–many people do think the information relevant. Perhaps the original article could have been written more specifically, but I think calling it false and getting so warped over it is odd if not disingenuous.
The elements of Stokels' article that were incorrect were:
1, He lumped employee contribtuions with company contributions.
2. He failed to note that the company had made only Udall contributions in this cycle.
3. He failed to note that employees had made Udall contributions during this cycle.
The article was written so as to imply that McKim was somehow doing the bidding of her employers–a highly suspect claim, given that her current employer doesn't seem to be actually favoring Gardner with their contributions in this election.
I don't think it is "odd" for me to respond to attacks on me–attacks that are "oddly" personal, given that the points I raised are clearly factual.
As to why campaign contributors are required to disclose their employers, it is in part because it may be relevant to discovering if a company is trying to unduly influence an election with contributions channeled through employees. In this case, top executives of Noble in Colorado appear to also have given to Udall (you can verify that by looking at the linked in profiles of Udall contributors), which isn't surprising given that Udall was working the anti-Polis, anti-anti-fracking side of he aisle.
Seriously, your posts have descended into sheer idiocy. My original comment was a direct reply to Dawn Patrol's post and questioned his use of the term.
Exactly.