Voting on Saturday is pretty cool. With that said:
7:50PM: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton win big in Louisiana. Trump also leads in Kentucky. Ted Cruz comes on strong in caucus states, picking up Kansas and Maine. Bernie Sanders ahead by wide margins in Kansas and Nebraska caucuses.
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Alien vs. Predator.
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jesse Ventura. Precursors to our current election turned reality show.
Hillary won Louisiana by 50 points, netting her about 30 of its 60 delegates. Bernie won Kansas about 3-1, neiting 10 of 30 delegates. Berbie also won Nebraska by 10 points for a net 3 of its 30 delegates. Returns still incomplete but it looks like the lady ended the day gaining a net 16 or so. Bernie should win Maine big Sunday, a heavily white caucus state and a neighbor, but it is likely Hillary comes out of the weekend with at least a small increase in her earned delegate total. On to Michigan.
You forgot to point out that there are 8,000 D SuperDelegates and 7,888 are pledged to her.
Madco, I've told you a million times not to exaggerate![smiley smiley](https://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.5.5/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/regular_smile.png)
You can't count the super delegates or the socialists will cry that the system is rigged against them.
Hey Frank, Is that crying in the "weeping" sense of the word,,,or the "shouting" sense …?
Some will weep, some with shout, and some may do both…
There's report in the Portland (Maine) Herald today about some of their super delegates getting nasty calls and e-mails from Bernie's supporters.
They'd look better if they waited until after the votes were counted and Bernie won Maine – which he probably will do since he's done well in New England – and then demand that they super delegates honor the votes cast in the particular state.
Unless, of course, it's a state Hillary carried in which case a different demand will be made.
It's easy to play victim when there are no recordings,no evidence, no names used, and no charges. Fox News knows all about that, and they even still call themselves "Fair and balanced".
Maggie Allen, DNC superdelegate and Clinton supporter, was quoted indirectly in the Portland Herald : "She’s received a barrage of hateful emails and phone calls". Perhaps she has. But I doubt that those are from the mainstream Sanders supporters. People I know from the Sanders campaign who are calling superdelegates, and there are a few, are being polite and courteous, asking the "super" to follow the will of the majority of the state's voters.
What I've seen, on social media and on here, is that Bernie supporters remain remarkably calm and fact-based, in the face of name-calling and ridicule by Hillary supporters.
And, Sanders won Maine, so Allen and the other supers will have to make a choice about whom they represent.
Mama, most HRC and Sander supporters are civil and not hateful of the other side. It would be nice if we could drop the whole you're nastier/ no you're nastier thing based on the hardest of hard core on both sides. Outsized snark from a portion of the HRC camp is met with outsized paranoia from a portion of the Sanders camp and both are getting a little tiresome to the majority so well represented in my precinct at caucus who prefer one or the other but would be happy to support either in the general.
It is what it is, super delegates and all. They mostly went with Obama in 2008, many switching after seeing he way popular support was going. They aren't going to go with Bernie in 2016. It was no more or less fair then than it is now. It's the rules. If Bernie was way ahead in the regular delegate count, it might be a very different story. He's not. That's just the way it goes.
Duly noted, BC. I'm sure you understand that I have no intention of not speaking up when folks are not civil to me, or are one-sided, unfair, or biased no matter how "tiresome" you may find it.
Civility does not mean that we only need to hear the "winner's" side of a story. It does not mean smoothing away real conflicts. I'm very civil to Hillary supporters in daily life, by the way, as I am to most people, but I am emphatically not going to ignore real policy differences.
I recall writing a similar post to you, about how weary I was of hearing "Obama is just as much a centrist as Bennet" from you, and getting a similar response, something along the lines of , "But I love irritating people on Pols! It's what I live for!"
I don't particularly enjoy irritating or boring people, (I personally have delusions that I am informing and entertaining), but you of all people should understand that I have no intention of being silenced to keep other people comfortable.
When all the votes were tallied over the weekend, Hillary gained 8 earned delegates, 74-66, according to MSNBC. No conspiracy here, just the effect of proportional delegates. Bernie won three small states. Nebraska by about 55/45/ Maine 65/35, Kansas about 2-1. Hillary Crushed him 3-1 in Louisiana, whose 59 delegates were twice as big a trove as each of Bernie's. 75 percent of 59 is 45, minus 15 for Bernie, net 30 for Hillary, mas o menos. Nebraska's 10 percent margin for Bernie netted him just 3 of its 30 delegates. Two to one in Maine netting him 8 of its 25 (and he actually has a couple of Maine's 5 supers. Again, 2-1 in Kansas is a net 10 of its 30. Bernie nets 3 plus 8 plus 10 = 21. Hillary 30. That more or less correlates with the 74-66 edge MSNBC tallied. By comparison. if all states were winner take all, Bernie would have won about 90 to Hillary 59. It simply shows how hard it is for a trailing candidate to catch up in proportional voting. Winner take all in big states, by contrast, means the Republican race is wide open.
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And according to 538's delegate tracker, Bernie is at 478 delegates to Clinton's 677 actual pledged delegates. Nate Silver's 538 blog does not count superdelegates, because they can and will change allegiances.
So according to my math, Bernie has 71% of the pledged delegates Hillary has. Not that far behind, especially considering that some of Clinton's big-win states are now behind her.
But keep promoting that meme of Clinton inevitability, if it makes you feel better.
It's not a meme. It's a pretty huge advantage to HRC. A general election won by that kind of margin would be considered a landslide. And supers aren't going to switch to the loser. Hold out hope for Bernie all you want but don't accuse people looking at the numbers, the supers and the map to come of pushing "memes". If HRC isn't inevitable she's damn close and Bernie is the longest of long shots. Stuff happens, of course, especially this wacky go round, but usually when it looks this much like a win for one candidate that's what it is.
I'm thinking the Bernie supporters should be so proud of changing the national conversation from the Tea Party kill government mantra to government can act as a counter-balance to corporations issue. This is a wonderful change in focus and Sander's supporters include youth who have never heard a vigorous defense of government in their lifetime. According to Real Clear Politics, Sanders is behind Clinton in the popular count 2.5 million (42%) to 4 million (64%). The gap is expected to increase when the nomination season turns from caucus states to primary states with large diverse populations. Hard to see where Sanders gains one and a half million votes more to overtake Clinton. Not in Michigan or Florida or California.
Had to use my own reply but totally agree GG. I think Bernie has been just what the 21st century Dem party needed and as much harm as Trump is doing the Republican party, Bernie is doing much more good to the Dem party.
I believe Dems come out of this crucible stronger and the GOP comes out weaker. I also believe that the Dem party that emerges, thanks to Bernie and also Warren, will have returned from it's trek farther and farther right (the platform Eisenhower was elected on as an R is far to the left of anything we've seen in the Dem party since the Reagan era convinced Dems they could only win as conservative GOP lite) to a more natural modern era position.
So thanks, Bernie and when HRC wins the nod please work hard to turn over your supporters to her so we can build the broadest possible coalition and, over the next decade, crush the monstrosity that the 21st century GOP has become and return sanity and good will to our political landscape while joning the civilized 21st century world with policies that benefit the majority, not just the few.
Can, yes. Will is just wishful thinking. But, yes , hill is about 200 ahead in pledged delegates and grew that slightly in a weekend in which you won three out of four states. Bernie's strategy is like buying apples for a dollar each, selling them for 50 cents, and hoping to make it up on volume. At some point bernie will run out of lily white caucus states. My guess is that after Hillary beats him in Michigan and Mississippi, reality will start seeping in. And then March 15 will be the coup de grace. But there is no shame in losing to a candidate as good as Hillary. Bernie brought in a lot of good people and we will hear from them in future years.
Wishing is good.
Hope is good.
I wish a Presidential candidate would openly and loudly call for the end to Citizens United. I wish someone, besides Alan Simpson, would say companies netting a billion plus quarterly of course can afford to increase the minimum wage.
I wish the Cubs would find a slam the door closer and win 51 before the Break. And I hope that everyone knows, or realizes by June that the D nominee will need al the D's and U's and i's.
What Madco said. Except that when the cubs find their closer they trade him to hthe Rockies for a case of Coors.
Dem Delegate tracking:
538 tracks whether candidates are meeting their delegate targets. Clinton's met 115% of hers, Sanders 85% of his so far. Not anywhere near the doom and gloom "Surrender Bernie!" scenario promoted on corporate media.
Don't pin your hopes or fears on superdelegates:
Heavy Dem hitter Nancy Pelosi panned the superdelegate system, saying that the pledged delegates should decide the nominee. This may or may not have something to do with rumored immunity for one of Hillary's staffers involved in the email server problem.
Don't get your hopes upon either score.
Don't get your hopes up on either score.
Don't know what I hit by accident while editing but as I was correcting "upon' to "up on", my comment suddenly lost edit and posted as it was.
That totals to a 30 percent edge to Hillary. Not exactly the stuff of a victory march, more like a cold and a broken halelejah.
Hey…I am flat out of the prediction business…
Yo tambien. I not only bet on the Titanic against the iceburg, I gave the points![sad sad](https://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.5.5/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/sad_smile.png)
its not Bernie's fault the right leaning states come first and California last.
hell, it's not Bernie's fault there's a R Congress, which hates Hillary. Hates her enough to conjure a bs indictment. It is certainly not Bernie's fault that so many D voters dislike Hillary.
I will support the D nominee, and encourage everyone I know to do the same. I will help the uninformed realize that Trump or Cruz are horrible choices.
But tonight Bernie sounded much more like the President I would prefer, and that is his fault. If he can get an open Convention, and I think he could, he wins. Even if he loses.
Well, Bernie sounded stupid in denouncing Boeing and Caterpillar for using Exim bank funds that he tried to kill. Those are not just American jobs, they are high paid, often union jobs
. He'll be very popular with Airbus and Komatsu workers. With American, not so much. I understand why Ted Cruz voted to kill exim — Orders from the Koch Bros. But Bernie pretends to be on the side of American workers. On this point, his jeremiad was shameful.
The Exim subsidy is pro-Union?
Whew- now I get why the GOTP wants to end it.
I don't want fight about it- Senator Sanders defended American gun manufacturers too.
But he had the funniest lines. He seemed the most relaxed and .. Natural. He was careful to point out that its campaign finance that's corrupt, not any one candidate who participates in it. He's right about Citizens United. He was right to desegregate His college and to try and do the same for local public schools while he was school.
just once admit you like him, and I'll call it a truce.
The bank isn't really a subsidy. Nor is it pro union per se. But Caterpillar and Boeing, the two largest companies and the one flailed by Bernie have many thousands ofv union jobs. I actually do like Bernie. It's his drum banging, moon-howling protectionist policies I don't like. He's great fun at Thanksgiving. Just don't let him destroy the economy in order to save it.
Madco, I respect many of the reasons that Bernie's supporters offer for preferring him and even share some of them but this sounds just like when people used to say they preferred GW because they'd be more comfortable having a beer with him (never mind that he's a former drunk who doesn't drink). Stuff like this is, to my mind, the worst possible reason to support somebody for President.
That's not what I meant, but I could see how it sounds like it.
And though it s true, ii meant more it's easier for me to picture him in the job. I trust him to go after Citizens United and other stuff that screws we the people.
I don't think anyone wants Sanders to drop out mama. Hopefully he can continue to attract voters for the primary contests. It's good for the Democratic Party.
What should be tailing off is the mud slinging at Mrs. Clinton. There are no additional benefits to be gained from slinging more mud so I would like to see the discussion turn towards substantial issues like the $3 trillion in student loans that is already on the books. Would like to hear what the proposed policies for dealing with that condition are.
Who's slinging mud? Not I. You've slung plenty, at me, and never apologized for it, either, so I don't think you have room to get all preachy.
As far as the immunity for Hillary Clinton's aide that was involved in the email server, that is a fact. Not mud. What it means, I won't venture to say.
I've said I would like to see a discussion on the $3 trillion in student loans on the books. I'm in a payback program that will take 20 years to pay back, for loans I took out in the 80s and 90s.I've already paid back the original amounts twice over. I've always taught in high poverty schools, but not in math, science, or special education, so I don't qualify for loan forgiveness programs. If some of those loan forgiveness programs could be tweaked to include people like me, that would be good. Is that specific enough for you?
Current student loans go to the same rate we've been lending to the too big to fail banks -0-1%.
Ted Cruz just delivered a very competent interview on Face the Nation. He articulates his wacko fucking POV extremely well, stays on message, and emphasizes his being a man of his word. I can see why he is starting to sell with the right.
To borrow a quote from the interwebs this morning, this picture of Donald Drumpf, Jr. holding the bloody piece of a dismembered elephant may be the best accidental metaphor ever…
There are no words. This is not a nightmare. We are not going to wake up and find out it was all a bad dream. Drumpf is really happening. Louis CK nailed it. He’s not breaking the don’t compare stuff to Hitler/Nazi rule. Trump and his brownshirts are.
http://time.com/4248723/louis-ck-donald-trump-email-hitler-comparison/
Man, that's nasty. Trump just lost the animal-rights and conservation voters. Some of our colorful Pueblo personalities like Tom Ready were both animal-rights advocates and liked them some Donald fury. Not any more.
Just the way Romney lost droves of voters because of putting his dog on the roof in a carrier, this will lose many people for Trump.
truly…
…and at this moment Kim Kardashian and Donald Drumpf are 'trending' on Twitter. It begs a lot of questions.
Is there a royal wedding in the future between these two? Imagine cross pollinating the DNA from those two families…..![surprise surprise](https://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.5.5/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/omg_smile.png)
Can you imagine who insufferable the spawn of that union might be?
Which then begs the question…Who is more insufferable…Donald Drumpf or Kanye West?
…That's a tough one, huh?
At least Kanye can write a good song. Drumpf's only talent seems to be political limbo: How low can you go? He's exceedingly talented at bringing out the worst in us.
Did you see the John Oliver segment where Kanye is selling his plain white t-shirts for $120? Who says we can't make America great again? Kanye for Secretary of Commerce!!