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June 12, 2006 08:00 AM UTC

Illegal Immigrant Ballot Measure No Go

  • 40 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

From The Associated Press:

The Colorado Supreme Court ruled Monday that a proposal to deny most state services to illegal immigrants cannot appear on the November ballot. The proposed constitutional amendment, promoted by Defend Colorado Now, violates a state constitutional requirement that initiatives deal with only one subject, the court said in a 5-2 opinion.

The measure aimed to decrease public spending for the welfare of illegal immigrants in Colorado and restrict access to administrative services, the ruling said. Proponents, who include former Democratic Gov. Dick Lamm, already had begun gathering petition signatures to get the measure on the ballot. The state Title Board approved the measure?s language this spring.

Activist Manolo Gonzalez-Estay challenged the measure in court after the Title Board rejected his request to reconsider its
approval of the initiative?s language.

Fred Elbel, director of Defend Colorado Now, has said if the court found a problem with the measure, he would revise it and supporters would begin gathering signatures anew.

The measure would not stop the state from paying for federally mandated services such as public education or emergency medical care. But Elbel has said it would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving welfare and in-state college tuition.

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40 thoughts on “Illegal Immigrant Ballot Measure No Go

  1. This is so typical – pander to the illegals.

    Whenever the government sees a ballot initiative it doesn’t like, it falls back on this “single subject requirement” BS, a requirement that the legislature violates constantly.

  2. This is the second time this measure has been prevented from going forward on the Colorado ballot. Could it be the DFN leaders know not what they are doing?
    Let’s move on Colorado. Now we won’t have this initiative sucking money from other campaigns.
    It will be interesting to hear the spin from our electeds who have been so afraid to touch this issue that they have looked foolish passing so called, and ill advised immigration laws that really did nothing but made them look like they were doing something. And yes, I mean the Dems.

  3. Hello to all,
    As the petitioner I am pleased to know that all Coloradans will not have to endure this initiative.  Victory comes in many forms. Thank you to the greatest Lawyer Mark Grueskin.  This was a fight worth fighting. 

    Thanks,
    Manolo Gonzalez-Estay
    Political Consultant
    Welchert & Britz Inc.

  4. Socrates is not very wise. It’s not rocket science to craft a defensible bill. The truth is that the DCN crowd are all about pandering and nothing about doing anything of substance.

    I just got a DCN letter in the mail. The letterhead reads “The Bi-Partisan Citizens Campaign to Reform Illegal Immigration.” But the entire body of the letter is written by that noted bipartisan, John Andrews, and he minces no words in making it clear that the initiative is just a cheap, sordid way to get Republicans to the polls:

    “Dear Fellow Republican: Let’s talk frankly about the No. 1 voter turnout issue of 2006,” the letter begins. And it ends: “PS: Without the turnout power of this incredibly popular nonpartisan ballot issue, it is unlikely Colorado will elect the kind of Governor and legislature you and I are hoping for.”

    Does Dick Lamm realize what a fool he’s being played for by his “bi-partisan” colleagues like John Andrews? Does he care? What a pathetic joke – just like Tom Tancredo.

  5. As the guy who serves Gonzales-Estay his coffee, I want to thank Manolo for not only preventing an unconstitutional initiative from cluttering the ballot, but for shutting up those Dick Lamm robo-calls that bothered me at home six times.

  6. Here’s to the early work done by Manolo Gonzales-Estay, Welchert & Britz and Mark Grueskin!  Without their foresight and commitment to the cause early on in this process this outcome could have not been reached!  Good work gentlemen.

  7. Oh yeah, it should also be pointed out that the single-subject requirement is only for ballot measures. Sure, it would be a wonderful world if legislative bodies everywhere kept to a single subject at a time but that’s not where we live. Hey, maybe somebody could get an amendment about that on the ballot in 2008…

  8. >Oh, yeah, it should also be pointed out that the single-subject requirement is only for ballot measures.

    It should be pointed out that it would bolster your argument if you actually knew what the hell you were talking about.

    See Art. V, sec.21, of the Colorado Constitution for the single subject requirement for legislative actions, nullbrain.

  9. Section 21. Bill to contain but one subject  expressed in title. No bill, except general appropriation bills, shall be passed containing more than one subject, which shall be clearly expressed in its title; but if any subject shall be embraced in any act which shall not be expressed in the title, such act shall be void only as to so much thereof as shall not be so expressed.

    Mea culpa, quixote. That said, you need to grow up. It’ll bolster your own arguments if you write non-emotively and throwing insults around. Treason, for example, involves trying to overthrow the state which can hardly be said of this initiative’s opponents.

    BTW, I was thinking of the amendment passed in the 90s. That was about ballot initiatives…right?

  10. Sentence in 2nd paragraph of my last post should read, “It’ll bolster your own arguments if you write non-emotively WITHOUT throwing insults around.”

  11. This initiative was garabge from the beginning, regardless of what side of the immigration issue you are one. Good riddance. One less worthless piece of junk to clutter the ballot with this November. Face it, real immigration reform is only going to happen when the suited white men in DC do something about it.

  12. Read the SC opinion.  The desenting opinion is great and on the money.  We have an SC populated by retards.  They based their opinion on what DCN had on their website?  Great.

  13. OH, yeah, you attack others, flip your usernames around to make it look like you’re more than one person, and then you want to lecture me about “need to grow up.”

    So pardon my sinking to your level, but go suck eggs, Aristotle/Tancredo Watch/ColoradoTrollsSux/etc.

    Treason, by the way, also consists of “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”  You might want to think about that as you consider the ongoing invasion of the United States by foreign nationals constantly breaking our laws and even killing our citizens.

    Try knowing what you’re talking about sometime.  It might be very enlightening.

  14. Hey, I too only post under one name, Mr. Quixote (how appropriate: tilting at windmills) a.k.a. Socrates (appropriate: gave up by drinking hemlock) a.k.a. Aristotle (what? a conservative Republican taking the name of a flagrant homosexual?).

    So now it’s considered “treason” to be against a ridiculous, do-nothing initiative that’s just being bandied about to pander to the anti-immigration crowd while REAL immigration reforms languish? All John Andrews and Tom Tancredo want is red meat to throw to attack dogs like you: they DON’T want real immigration reform to pass because then they’d lose a golden rallying cry.

    You’ve been reading too many Ann Coulter books.

  15. This ruling was a setback for those of us who support immigration reform. Judicial activism is partly to blame, but the steering committee is not without fault for being shrill and unfocused. By ignoring unbiased legal advice John just wasted everyone’s precious time and money. Once again, John Andrews demonstrates his ineptitude.

  16. I am not going to stop applauding just yet, I dislike the amendment, I respect the petitioner and I hate attempts at cluttering our constitution as a pandering GOTV strategy, but…

    I am not sure I like the breadth of this decision and find myself sympathetic to some things in the dissent.

    I agree that “emergency services” is over-broad, but I would have prefered if they could just have stopped with that instead of finding the flaw in presumed multiple reasons and consequences under the single subject rule.

    I am not at all a lawyer. My legal opinion doesn’t count for much.
    I hope that someone who is can help a layperson like me to understand.

  17. I am so please that this is not going to be on the ballot.  Gov Lamm should just change his voter registration to Republican if he keeps supporting Republican issues.  I want to thank Gonzales-estay for his hard work on keeping junk off the ballot.

  18. Trollpig says:
    “Face it, real immigration reform is only going to happen when the suited white men in DC do something about it.”

    Some of our local elected officials don’t even think undocumented immigrants is a problem. Betty Boyd – Senate Dist. 21 (Lakewood) was quoted a few months ago saying she doesn’t think we have a problem. I realize the media is hardly error-free but I’ve also noticed she isn’t the brightest bulb to start with.

  19. OK – off topic, sort of, but funny. When I was in junior high, before the internet or personal computers, a fellow student was doing a research project on the Klan. His name was Kwang Song. He wrote a letter to the Klan asking for information on their organization… He received a letter back which began, “Dear Fellow White American…”

  20. -Gov Lamm should just change his voter registration to Republican if he keeps supporting Republican issues.-

    Denver Voter,
    In your view, do you think the Democratic Party thinks it’s ok for many individuals to ignore the immigration laws?

    Did Democratic resolutions get voted on at Assembly? If they did and illegal immigration wasn’t on the list, well then the real voice of the party didn’t get heard.

    Thanks in advance for your response.

  21. J,

    I don’t want to speak for Denver Voter but I don’t think the Dems think it is ok for people to flaunt the laws of our country.  The Dems are willing to look beyond the rhetoric of the right.

    The Dems did vote on many immigration bills during the Assembly and even passed two.  One for human smuggling and one to ensure contractors only hire legal work.  Am I forgetting one? They voted down others, many brought by Rep. Schultheis that, IMO, were based more on election year politics than a true attempt to solve a problem.

  22. I don’t think it’s that big a problem.  I do think that–all of a sudden–hysteria seems to have filled the air about it. 

    Face it:  Undocumented workers are here because we WANT them here.  Stop paying them to come, and they’ll stop.

    Better yet:  Enforce existing labor laws.  (Oops, can’t do that.  Too many big Republican contributors are involved.)

  23. […] Attorney General John Suthers is objecting to a Colorado Supreme Court ruling that invalidated a proposed ballot amendment to restrict services for illegal immigrants. From a press release: […]

  24. […] First Attorney General John Suthers said he’d petition the Colorado Supreme Court to allow the illegal immigration measure on the ballot, and now Governor Bill Owens says he’ll call a special session on illegal immigration if the courts don’t overturn the ruling. From The Denver Channel: […]

  25. My goodness, take a day off, and people here get quite nasty.

    I must regretfully note, Mister or Miss Tancredo Watch, that you are demonstrating some signs of paranoia, and, to a lesser degree, schizophrenia.  I hope that this is only a transient phenomena,  inculcated by the online environment, and is not reflected in your offline existence.

  26. >I hear the Klan is holding an anti-immigration rally at Antietam battlefield.

    >These are YOUR people, quixote.

    So your notion is that anyone who is againt illegal immigration and the millions of dollars it costs this country, and the lives it costs this country, is therefore a member of the KKK?

    That is a lie.

    It is equally a lie to attempt to create guilt by association, as you do by calling the Klan “my people.”

    That’s a cowardly accusation, and it is completely false.  If I were to judge all democrats and liberals by the standard you set, then it is clear that all of them, following your own example, are lying namecallers with no more than a passing acquaintance with the truth.

  27. Quixote, remember that you are dealing with those of little intellect, who come from a world where one is a wacko for demanding his government uphold the laws it has passed.  These are weak people who stand for anything, thus end up standing for nothing.  Take solace in the fact they will have no impact on your life, because they cannot commit to anything of importance to even impact the rest of us.  Tancredo watch, Sharktacos and IMO, the Dems played politics and voted down any bill the Republicans put up that truly tried to make a difference in the illegal immigration debate.  Your answer is to keep doing what we already are doing.  That’s a bankrupt position if we seek a solution.

  28. Very true.

    The dems like to blame the Republicans for the problem of illegal immigration, but if they really wanted to solve the problem, it would be the dems who would be demanding a special session and truly meaningfull legislation to address it.

    That they are not shows very clearly how they are pandering to criminals in the hopes that illegals will use their typcial identity theft practices to go out and cast votes illegally for the panderers.

  29. Uh, I don’t know that Dick Lamm is still a dem.  I think he hangs out with them periodically because no one else will listen to him.  He still gets press coverage because he’s guaranteed to say something controversial; Stupid, but controversial.  Was that way when he was gov too.  Funny how he doesn’t have much to say on ethics tho, but then he can’t claim to have much experience in that area…

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