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April 27, 2007 03:38 PM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

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    1. In the Colorado delegation, Republican Reps. Tom Tancredo of Littleton, Marilyn Musgrave of Fort Morgan and Doug Lamborn of Colorado Springs voted against the bill. Democratic Reps. Diana DeGette of Denver, Mark Udall of Eldorado Springs and Ed Perlmutter of Golden voted for the bill.  Rep. John Salazar of Manassa was the sole Democrat in the delegation to vote against the bill – one of 24 in the House who voted against the measure.

    2. And that’s saying quite a bit….

      Our wild horses – which are NOT a native species – destroy rangeland, watering sites, and have no natural enemies. And I’m not talking just horses vs. cows, but all wildlife hanging onto a precarious existence in our deserts. They breed and are greatly overpopulated. 

      Why horses are given this status above cows or goats is beyond me.  Yes, they are more beautiful animals in our eye, but unless one is a vegetarian, there is NO reason not to slaughter and eat them. Doing so, in effect, makes us humans the predators lacking in the wild. 

      So, now they will be even sicker because of lack of forage and when they die they will just rot instead of becoming human food.

      This is just a “feel good” measure, and the folks voting for it are very guilty to pandering to a small lobby. 

      1. This bill seems like much ado over little….or, worse, the bill may well be the wrong policy.  I’m not a horse-expert or rancher or farmer, so I have no reason to question either parsing’s analyis or Salazar’s.  Here is Salazar’s, as cut from the article:

        Salazar, a rancher, said that “while there is no easy answer,” the elimination of slaughter as “a management option poses a risk to horse welfare.”

        “It would cost $1,900 per year to house each unwanted and abandoned horse, not including veterinary or farrier services,” Salazar said, adding that the total cost to taxpayers in the first year would be $127 million.

        1. Parsing makes a good point, but our culture has made choices about which animals are suitable for consumption and which are not. Horses fall under the “not” column with cats and dogs. That may be arbitrary, or there may be a good reason long forgotten, but that’s how it is.

      3. Like any other non-native species, at a certain point they become pests and the population has to be controlled. If they care that much about saving these animals, why don’t they start an adopt-a-horse program and see how long THEY are willng to pocket the expenses for all the pretty horsies.

      5. One of the problems that we have is CWD is running through our deer and elk population. Why? In general, because, we wiped out all of their predictors who eat the sick ones. I know that a lot of ranchers hate the wolves, but they do a major service in killing off sick elk and deers. In fact, it is a major service to anybody who eats them. We run less risk of picking it up. Quite probably CWD (a prion) really is CJD (a form of prions in human) and Mad Cow Disease.

        Same issues exists with the horse. If we bring back the wolves, they will go after the horses and thin them out. until then, the herds need to be thinned out by humans. Now, I am not a fan of eating horses, but one man’s pet is another man’s food.

    3. This is a stupid bill brought by liberal animal lovers.  Those that don’t want horses slaughtered should house and feed them.  As it is the 90,000 horses, in 2005, would cost around $220 million, mostly paid for by local governments who manage the shelters.

      The US would lose around $260 million dollars in export meat to foreign markets.  We export 1.9 million pounds of horse meat to China alone.

      J. Salazar, a rancher, knows exactly where this bill came from and what it means to rural communities, more so than the urban legislators who voted for it.

      Good job to all legislators who voted against this inane bill.

          1. The whole thing is a rather elaborate way for Taco Bell to introduce horsemeat to their menu.  LOL.

            Hey.  I don’t know about the cuts.  But, I’M NOT EATING TRIGGER.  I’M NOT EATING RIN TIN-TIN, OLD YELLER, OR LASSIE EITHER.  🙂

            3. and I fed many a little calf from a bucket, dipping my hands in the milk to start them suckling and then guiding their gentle lips to the milk…just so you could scarf down their flesh.  I can still see their soft little eyes.
              Cows have feelings too, you know. And pigs are far more intelligent than horses, so put down that BLT!

    4. You have never spent extensive time around horses and know nothing about this bill. I’ve raised quarterhorses my whole life and would support this bill.

      If a horse injurs their leg, it does not get better, this happens often. If your dog gets sick, would you rather put it to sleep or let it die of exposure?

      I’m sorry, I’m tired, I’m not going to explain teh rest of this, but listen to PG, he’s right on this issue.

  2. The 450 law enforcement officers who took part in this historic gang bust in Denver yesterday deserve a lot of credit and appreciation from the community. Today is a good day for denver. We should all be thankful for our men in blue. As one officer stated “Denver is a safer place today than it was yesterday.” http://www.rockymoun…

    On to the Spin Room:
    I didn’t have time this morning to tune into the echo chamber at KHOW, but I can imagine what the dialogue was about this morning. http://www.denverpos…

    From what I’ve read, no evidence has been presented in the press to indicate that any of these gang members were illegal immigrants, but rather were taking part in illegal drug trafficking activity connected to mexico. However, since some of those involved have latino surnames, they will be accused of being illegal immigrants right of the bat.

    Republican Senator Dave Schulthies made this mistake by asking for the immigration status of teenagers killed in an automobile accident in Greeley last year. His questions of immigration came from no other evidence than their names. It would be a grave mistake to politicize this before all the facts on the table, but then again when has the right ever let the facts get in the way of pushing their radical agenda?

    1. Yes, it’s easy to jump to inaccurate conclusions. 

      Having said that, the other side of the coin is that large numbers of Hispanic gang members are either illegal immigrants, or their parents are.  Los Angeles has been dealing with these drug runners for years and those facts are irrefutable.  I think.

      1. I would like to have all the facts before jumping to a conclusion, but I don’t see the other side waiting for all the facts to begin making accusations.

    1. The GOP is firmly in the hands of the social hardliners, or at least that’s the overall perception. Too bad for them – if Giuliani stuck to the kind of principles that got him elected mayor in liberal ol’ New York he might have actually attracted GOP moderates back in the fold.

      It’ll be interesting to see if this helps him in the primaries. But between his 9/11 remarks the other day and this, I’m definitely voting Democratic in 2008 as Rudy was (and is no longer) the only ‘pub worth considering.

      2. They haven’t accepted McCain although McCain engaged in a fair amount of ass-kissing of Fallwell and Robertson.  The only thing that this does for Giuliani is P.O. moderates and independents.

    2.   My support was always predicated on the shaky presumption that he would retain his progressive positions on social issues. 
        Maybe he’s doing a Mitt Romney and flip flopping.  We’ll see what he does tomorrow…..

  4. George Tenent has come out and stated that the Bush administration had no “serious” debate about going into Iraq.  Rumsfeld pointed out that he thinks the decision was made when Cheney gave a speech to a group of veterans.  The Secretary of Defense CANNOT identify when the decision was made to go to war!  The secretary of Defense cannot remember when the president asked his opinion!

    We have all read the book about those 13 days when the Kennedy Administration had to discuss and then decide on the Cuban Missile Crisis.  It was a clear and thought out process.  All sides got a chance to speak their peace and then one man made the decision based on an open exchange of ideas.  It was a process so defined that it could be recorded for posterity. 

    Sadly, this president has clearly demonstrated he has no such skills.  3,000+ dead and scores of thousands more wounded Americans, plus a sickening amount of Iraqi deaths, have all been subject to the wonton abuse of power of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. 

    Please, Congress, Investigate the HELL out of this!  Make ALL of them answer questions!  Make them come back after they have left office so they cannot claim executive privilege, raise their hand and swear to tell the whole truth!  We OWE it to future generations to bring EVERYTHING to light so we never, EVER go through this again!

    1. Looks like that Medal of Freedom didn’t buy Tenet’s silence for quite as long as Bush was counting on.

      Tenet’s former second-in-command at the CIA has also come out saying that Tenet’s accurate. You can practically feel Dan Bartlet’s flop sweat over the radio as he’s trying to belittle the charges.

      (It wasn’t Dana Perino responding: she’d glow.)

      This is serious, serious stuff. Or at least it should be.

  5. Does anyone know if Ritter signed HB07-1330, the second-parent adoption bill?

    A week ago Friday I read an article in the Gazette basically stating that Ritter said it was a good bill and that he was going to sign it into law.  However, Focus on the Family, some Catholics and other organizations were pitching an absolute hissy-fit temper-tantrum, organizing mass phone calls, letters, etc. because *gasp* two unmarried people might adopt a child together and provide a loving and stable home to a needy child in Colorado.

    Anyone have any updates?  I can’t seem to find a place to get an update on whether this was given the thumbs-up or thumbs-down.

  6. This morning Alec Baldwin gave the most touching personal account of what it’s like to deal with Parent Alienation Syndrome, when you are a non-custodial parent, on “The View.”  In his testimonial, Alec described the frustration of dealing with judges and the courts who do nothing to defend, in particular, the parenting rights of men.  Alec has asked to be released from his contract on NBC’s “30 Rock” so that he can devote his life to fighting PAS.  He has already written a book on this subject which is to be published soon.  Alec also mentioned that he has received emails from tens of thousands of angry non-custodial fathers who similarly are trying to deal with PAS (and the courts) on his website “AlecBaldwin.com.”

    Alec apologized for his rant against his daughter and said it was built out of frustration and really meant for his ex-wife (Kim Bassinger).  He described how the mother has promoted PAS by punishing the daughter for showing any feelings of loyalty and affection for the father.

    Alec Baldwin would be an excellent national spokesman for non-custodial parents in our fight against the courts and PAS.

    If you want to find out what some non-custodial parents are doing to fight the corrupt judiciary (and PAS) in Colorado, go to KnowYourCourts.com.

    1. When you do something heinous, it’s OK if it has a name?

      There isn’t a damned thing Alec Baldwin can say or do that would convince me it’s OK to talk to an 11-year-old girl the way he did.

      You and he can try and take this to a higher level, but that’s just obfuscation.  What he said to her was cruel and inexcusable.  Period.

      What’s next?  Rehab?

        1. I’ve gotta agree with others, I’m sick of all this “don’t blame me, I’m suffering from a ‘syndrome’ crap.”

          Absolutely there are parents who do enormous harm to their kids by alienating them against the other parent. I’m sure Kim Basinger is a total bee-yotch.

          But that still doesn’t excuse Alec Baldwin from going postal on his 11-year-old daughter. Baldwin would be about as good a spokesperson for “PAS” as O.J. Simpson would be for LAS.

          I think Alec’s and Kim’s poor little kid (kids?) should be taken from both of them and given to some mature adults to try to salvage, and Alec and Kim should be punished by being chained to each other for life.

              1. Although I would have been happy to practice making her a parent.  (Shhhhhh….I’ve had a vasectomy.)

                Don’t know about Micky and surgery.

      2. As ususal, you missed the point entirely Ralphie!  Alec Baldwin apologized to his daughter on “The View”, and to anyone else that was offended, for his rant. He had to apologize publicly because the mother has prevented him from seeing his daughter privately.  He made no excuses for his rant and said that he would make certain that he never took his frustrations as a parent out on his daughter again.

        Alec then explained the frustration of being a non-custodial parent and dealing with a custodial parent who repeatedly violated their court adopted shared-parenting plan without reprisal by the court.  He then went on to discuss how the mother has deliberately and repeatedly attempted to alienate his daughter from him.  One of the things that the mother has done is to punish the daughter for expressing any feelings of caring or loyalty toward her father aka “Parent Alienation Syndrome.”

        Now if you are through with your rant Ralphie, maybe you can free-up the space here for anyone who may have something positive to add to this discussion.

        1. I saw the apology on The View.

          It pissed me off almost as much as blaming the whole thing on his wife, or on some designer disease.

          Words hurt.  Hiring a publicist and going on a talk show do not make them hurt less.

          Even if you have a “syndrome.”

        2. I heard that rant. It is called, technically, verbal assault…He threatened her. It made me sick to my stomach to hear it….it is another thing which should not have been broadcast simply because the ugliness can trigger flashbacks in kids who have been abused……

          Balwin is a scarey sob…..

          1. Shiloh, I searched the blog to see if anyone is using the tag “condom.” I found “condor”, but no “condom.”  Where you talking to me?  And, if so wht the h…?
            If not, forget it.

    2. When my ex got me so frustrated that at her front door, in front of our daughters, I called her a word that I am so ashamed to have used at all.  I am still embarrassed 25 years later when I think of it. 

      Anger and frustratopm make us do things that amaze even ourselves in the cool light of day. 

      1. Is that you have suffered (and probably apologized repeatedly) for your admitted transgression, while Baldwin wants to become some sort of spokesperson for the “syndrome of the month” that “made” him do what he did.

        1.   I gotta tell ya, I’m a current “victim” of parental alienation (notice I omitted the word, “Syndrome” or “disorder”). In fact, mom just got served today in Texas, where my P.I. and I have tracked her down.
            However, I am very apprehensive about celebrity types taking up the cause as an unelected “spokesperson.”  Perhaps, he can add credibility and public awareness (whereas the rest of us lack the resources and exposure) but, on the hand, he could bring disrepute and misnomers.  There’s been a movement afoot accross the country in various jurisdictions to discredit “PAS” the extent that it is being used as a psuedo diagnosis for some kind of malady.
            The fact is, it is simply a pattern of behaviour (formally knowny by varouis phrases, such as “interference with visitation,” etc.), which is rooted in resentment or anger or self-delusion (where the alienating parent has convinced himself or herself that s/he is acting in the best interests of the child by prohibiting contact with the other parent and his/her family).
            The bigger problem is that, while there is a massive draconian enforcement machine in place to collect child support (stemming from all the taypayer-funded welfare mothers of the 70’s), there is no [effective] enforcement mechanism in place to enforce parenting time with the non-custodial parent, which, arguably is as important or more important than financial subsidies. 
            Despite the real objective of child support policies (to prevent the taxpayer from taking care of the child[ren]), I contend that society suffers a much, much larger financial, human and intellectual losses from caused by so many children, who have been deprived of healthy contact with their fathers.  The losses, however, are speculative, because they can’t be measured by ordinary metrics. 
            Getting off the soap-box, now.  Thank you for you attention and don’t forget to bring your lab books for tomorrow’s class.

      2.   One time, I too said something to my daughter that I will never forget and that I’m ashamed of.  We were in the mountains one weekend and I managed to get my 4X4 truck stuck in deep snow (attempting to explore some unpaved roads).  Nightfall was fast appraching and we were in the middle of nowhere.  As I was desparately trying to get “un” stuck, she kept asking, “Papa, Papa, are we gonna be okay? Are we gonna be okay?” and I yelled, “Shut up, I’m trying to get us out!”  I immediately stopped what I was doing and realized what I had done. I apologized to her that very moment.
          Children carry with them for a lifetime the statements and beliefs their parents have about them –things we may not even think twice about (like, “Pull your head out of your ass” or “Use your brain”) and they can leave scars forever. These statements and beliefs, I believe, form the core of their self-identity. My mother once told me, “I should have taken the doctor’s advice and gotten an abortion.”  I haven’t spoken to her in years.
         

        1. (Well, about this, anyway. Ha ha.)

          Those moments of pain sear us forever, even if we forget them on the surface of things.  I can honestly say I don’t think that my parents ever said anything degrading of me, although they sent more subtle messages in other ways.  Such as “never old enough” to do things like ride a bike in the street, etc.

          My ex and I never, ever said anything derogatory to our daughters, I am sure.  Even the most hare brained scheme was answered, perhaps, with “Tell me about it.”  Further respectful conversation usually averted tragedy!

          All our daughters have that healthy strong self confidence without false ego. 

          Tilter, I am really, really sorry to hear what your mother said.  She is heartless to have done so. 

            1. I had the chance to camp with daughter #2 for a couple of nights up near Monarch Pass.  We sat and watched the sun set on the beaver lake, drinking cheap red wine and talked about our family, their growing up.  Some very painful things were mentioned, but it was done with love and without acrimony or accusations. 

              I will treasure those two nights forever. A lot of healing took place.

        2. (Well, about this, anyway. Ha ha.)

          Those moments of pain sear us forever, even if we forget them on the surface of things.  I can honestly say I don’t think that my parents ever said anything degrading of me, although they sent more subtle messages in other ways.  Such as “never old enough” to do things like ride a bike in the street, etc.

          My ex and I never, ever said anything derogatory to our daughters, I am sure.  Even the most hare brained scheme was answered, perhaps, with “Tell me about it.”  Further respectful conversation usually averted tragedy!

          All our daughters have that healthy strong self confidence without false ego. 

          Tilter, I am really, really sorry to hear what your mother said.  She is heartless to have done so. 

      3. I am glad to still be married to the father of my children.  I hope and believe that neither of us would do this sort of thing, but people do seem to go nuts in a divorce.  I am not slamming anyone – just taking a moment to be glad.

      1. but he seemed to give himself away on the View.  He dominated the conversation totally, hardly giving any time for Rosie and Barbara to ask questions or direct the conversation.  He minimized the voice mail message and gave short shrift to the issue of apologizing to his daughter. He even used something his daughter told him as a way of indicting his ex, her mother.  He focused almost exclusively on what his ex has done to him and what the media did to him and not on what he did to his daughter. All of that validates what Kim has said about him being an angry, controlling abuser.  That is not to say that Kim is not guilty as well, of leaking the tape or of alienating him from his daughter, but his response fell very short of convincing me that he understands what he did and truly feels remorse.

        1. The View is not on my list of “must see.” However, I respect your opinion of how Baldwin conducted himself, LB.  Thanks for restoring perspective.

          Parents have it tough in this society…little support and little appreciation.
          Paying money for children  which you can no longer see is the pits.  Knowing you are still supporting an exwife…because money is not going for the kids….and she is “putting out” for some guy who is not contributing one damm cent…is part of the anger…however irrational.  I have seen both sides of the divorce chasm….however, there is NO excuse for threatening a child. NONE.

  7. Well, not directly.  But this last-minute move sure smells like it:

    Suthers challenges tax freeze plan
    By The Denver Post
    Article Last Updated: 04/27/2007 12:23:29 PM MDT

    Republican Attorney General John Suthers weighed in this morning on the governor’s proposal to freeze property taxes as a means of boosting money for schools, arguing that change must be put to voters.

    In a letter sent to Democratic Gov. Bill Ritter, Senate President Joan Fitz-Gerald, D-Jefferson County and House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, D-Denver, Suthers said he concurs with an analysis he asked the Solicitor General to perform that concludes “that the best reading of the Colorado Constitution requires that a revision of this sort, which will have the direct effect of raising the property tax burden of many taxpayers in the state, be submitted to voters for approval.”

    That finding is at odds with two other legal reviews.

    Ritter’s chief counsel, Thomas Rogers III, has stated that the property-tax freeze is not a tax increase that would require the approval of voters. The Office of Legislative Legal Services has reached a similar conclusion.

    In a written statement, Gov. Ritter said Suthers’ “unsolicited and 12th-hour opinion, is flawed, and his timing is suspect.”

    He said his plan stands on solid Constitutional ground.

    “The nonpartisan Office of Legislative Legal Services has reviewed this issue twice, in 2004 and again in 2007. My legal office as well as numerous TABOR and education-funding experts also have scrutinized this plan over the past two months. They all have come to the exact opposite conclusion that the attorney general has reached,” Ritter’s statement said.

    Meanwhile, the House of Representatives this morning approved the property-tax freeze as part of the School Finance Act, which now goes to the Senate.

    The plan, as tweaked by Ritter and adopted by the House, calls for cutting rates in the 33 highest-rate districts to $27 per $1,000 of taxable property value and locking rates at current levels in 142 other school districts.

  9.   According to Sen. Shawn Mitchell (R), a Broomfield attorney, “The court needs more judges on the bench.”  Maybe it’s because they’re on the golf course?  I say that because, the following story reminds me of Tony Kovaleski’s investigation, aired Dec. 30, 2002, concerning two veteran Colorado judges, who admitted they signed falsified affidavits regarding their attendance at training seminars when, in fact, they were found on the golf course or hiking in the mountains. (http://www.knowyourc…)
      Colorado Confidential (http://www.coloradoc…) updates us, today, on a previously reported incident regarding the firing of a city attorney in Aurora, attributable to his disclosure on a blog that his wife (also a city attorney) was having an affair with Aurora’s fire chief, Casey Jones. (http://www.rockymoun…)(Note, however, the City refused to punish Sgt. Charles DeShaze, an Aurora policeman, for brutalizing and spewing racial slurs at an innocent woman and her child (http://www.rockymoun…), even though the incident was captured on videotape (http://www.denverpos…)).  The same fire chief had arranged to play golf while on duty. (http://www.coloradoc…)
      Although the affair was, apparently, permissible, the golf incident was over the top.  (Aurora Fire Chief is now on administrative leave as a result. (http://www.denverpos…))  Additionally, Aurora Police Sergeant DeShaze, discussed ante, is now facing a civil suit as a result of the incident, has been promoted to Lieutenant by the City. (http://denver.yourhu…)
     

    1. There is a diary function over on the right hand side of the screen. Many of your postings seem more appropriate for that format so that those of us interested in politics can choose whether we want to read your most recent rant about the courts or not. Just a thought…

      1. thanks for the tip  –You’re right and I will use it in the future, even `thoguh I disagree that court-related topics are unrelated to politics.  I’m sure you may recall my prior “rant” on that, too.

        1. I’ve been wrong before. Sometimes Pols puts diary posts on the front page when they think they are relevant (and whatever other criteria they use). I have had a few put up on the front page. Maybe they will promote some of yours as well.

          1. . . . problem is, I didn’t realize that was the “diary” function was for, until you pointed it out.  And, I’m supposed to be a computer forensics examiner / software engineer?  Is the word n00b used on this forum, at all?  If not, you may now use it on me.

    2. Seems that he posted his handicaps on a site where one can, and he used dates and times when he was allegedly working. The ones he’s been busted for earlier are in addition to this latest discovery.

        1. There is a Casey Jones, born in 1949, registered as a R in Arapahoe County.  All of the other Casey Jones I found were too young to be the Aurora fire chief.  He could live in another county, but I doubt it.

            1. but the first step for change is to acknowledge that we have a problem.  I was involved with the Tracy Baker recall in 2004 (former Arapahoe County Clerk).  I firmly believe that we can’t turn a blind eye to the corruption we find in the public sector, especilly if the corrupt individual professes to share our values.  I also believe we can’t allow our opponents to drive out our people with specious claims, a la Tom Deley.  I know your comments were meant in jest, but this is a subject that strikes a cord with me.

              1. OK, alert the liberal media!  I voted for a Republican.  She was the best qualified.  However, she doesn’t make law.

                I have heard had a lot of very specific evidence of her  incompetentcy last year.  Didn’t know how certain voting technical matters worked at a very elementary level.  Things like that. 

                1. and I think it went just fine.  Trying to tear her down is antithetical to good government.  If Doug Milliken continues to do a good job, he deserves to be re-elected regardless of his personal financial failures.  Trying to drag him down because he’s from the other Party is a scorched earth philosophy that I won’t subscribe to.  I would hope that good government is more important than raw political power to you as well.

  10. what the hell is up with this ad about queer fuckers working out on a political blog?
    Tell me what does this have to do with “Colorado Politics”?

    Give me a fuckin break. I can tolerate gay parades as I don’t go to them.
    I can tolerate having to occasionally work in a gay bar.
    I can understand that gays want certain rights.
    Fucking great.
    But now this blog is pushing web sites that promote gays working out? Eye candy for queers?
    This is the last straw for me.
    I was in a great mood too.
    Just got my newest tattoo last night, and today I got a $5.00 an hour pay raise!
    Then I see this shit.
    See yas………

    1. Live and let live.  I had to do a double take when I saw it, but no big deal.  I can’t belive there’s an ad for the Conservative Book Club.  I’m sure the number of gays on this site FAR exceeds the number of us conservatives here.  THAT ad is too weird!  BTW, no need to be angry with the gays; they didn’t sell the ad space.  Now, let’s get back to our regularly scheduled vitriol and attack our real enemy; Hillary.

      1. what Gecko is talking about. Help! Are Lauren and I crazy? I’ve seen no “queer fucker” anything on this blog. What’s he talking about? (I think we really have seen the last of Gecko for a while… the last time he posted something like this he stayed away for about 2 weeks…)

        1. Between “The Big Line” and “Recent Comments” on the left side of the main page is a place that ColoPols sells ad space.  At the moment, the space is filled by Google.  Yesterday I saw one for The Conservative Book Club!  At some other time, there was one running with pictures of very buff, 20-something, shirtless guys.  I didn’t pay much attention to it but I assumed it was for a gay oriented advertiser.  I guess Gecko looked closer and found it to be a gay dating service.  You and Lauren may (or may not) be crazy, but it’s not because you missed the object of Gecko’s rant.

            1. Those guys play for the other team (and I don’t mean they’re Dems). I guess some of them could be “switch hitters”, but wouldn’t those guys be on a different dating site?  I’ll be waiting on the results of your research.;o)

                1. Yes Lauren, you can look.  You can even touch.  Women of your age and situation have had guys like this for YEARS.  Happy hunting!

          3.   I caught the ad for the Conservative Book Club, including Ann Coulter’s psycho looking picture on the cover of “Godless.”  (At first I thought it said, “Godess.”)
              The Conservative Book Club is not exactly my cup of tea, but I didn’t see the need to have a tantrum like Gecko, let alone call them, “fucking conservative”!
              Tolerance is two-way street, Gecko.  And if you don’t like the gay workout guy, just do what I did when I saw Coulter and Bill O’Reilly……just looked the other way.

  11. Senior Bush official linked to escort service resigns. Earlier, ThinkProgress reported that the Bush administration’s senior foreign aid coordinator had stepped down. The Blotter has the reason:

      Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation. Tobias, 65, Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the US Agency for International Development (USAID), had previously served as the Ambassador for the President’s Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief.

    A State Department press release late Friday afternoon said only he was leaving for “personal reasons.” On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News he had several times called the “Pamela Martin and Associates” escort service “to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage.” Tobias, who is married, said there had been “no sex,” and that recently he had been using another service “with Central Americans” to provide massages.

    UPDATE: Tobias was a strong proponent of the Bush administration’s abstinence-only policies. Before touring African countries for an AIDS program 2004, he said, “The message to young people in the schools is not either `Be abstinent or here are condoms, take your pick.’ It is a message of `Be abstinent.’ Delaying sexual activity is a means of eliminating the risk of infection.”

    …………………………….
    I have to note that, when faced with specifics, the Right has no response. All they have is bull shit ad hominem attacks. No answers to the Henerals who are against Bush’s policies. Mo answers to the soldiers who are against Bush’s policies…..just bilious bags of gas.

    1.   I posted on a different thread about the hapless Mr. Tobias who apparently suffers from tight back muscles and is now unemployed.
        I wonder if Dr. Dobson will weigh in with a prescription for this new Bush administration ailment.

  12. Terrorism attacks expected to rise nearly 30%. McClatchy reports that a State Department terrorism report due out next week will show a nearly 30 percent increase in terror attacks worldwide in 2006. “Based on data compiled by the U.S. intelligence community’s National Counterterrorism Center, the reports says there were 14,338 terror attacks last year, up 29 percent from 11,111 attacks in 2005. Forty-five percent of the attacks took place in Iraq.”

    Just because it’s innocent Iraqi civilians doesn’t mean its ok.

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