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September 29, 2005 08:00 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread.

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  6. The bigger question is whether Salazar will support the next nominee.  It was a safe vote for him on this one, will he vote for the next one?  The real battle is yet to come.

  7. I just heard that Archbishop Chaput has endorsed C and D.  Good for him.  Given all the church does for the poor in Colorado, I guess it only makes sense.

  11. Musgrave discredits ‘corrupt’ charges
    GREELEY TRIBUNE SEPTEMBER 29, 2005

    Doyle Murphy, (Bio) murphy@greeleytrib.com
    September 29, 2005

    A political watchdog group’s attack on Rep. Marilyn Musgrave isn’t based on facts, according to Musgrave’s office.

    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington accused Musgrave, a Fort Morgan Republican, of using public funds for campaign efforts. CREW’s report, “Beyond Delay: The 13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress,” focuses on the campaign office Musgrave used during her race against Stan Matsunaka.

    The report suggests the office either doesn’t exist or is part of her district office leased with public funds, which would be against the law. The report also claims Musgrave may have used public resources to send a mailer to endorse a district attorney candidate, also a violation.

    “All of which is not true,” Musgrave’s chief of staff Guy Short said.

    Short said Musgrave leased a separate office in the same building as her district office to save driving time between offices. The offices had separate leases, doors and phone lines, Short said.

    A visit to the office at 5401 Stone Creek Circle in Loveland confirmed Short’s statements. The district office is in suite 204 of the building owned by The Group Inc. Real Estate. The entrance to the former campaign office must be reached by going outside and to the far side of the building.

    Short said they chose Suite 777 for the mailing address to the campaign office, even though the building has only two floors, to avoid confusion in mail intended for the two offices.

    Ceri Anderson, managing broker/partner at The Group, said the offices had separate leases and Musgrave leased 777 until the end of last year. The offices are now used by The Group. Anderson said a door connects the two offices, but it is locked and campaign personnel wouldn’t have been able to use it to enter the congressional office.

    As for the mailers CREW said Musgrave may have misused and designed to look like congressional letterhead, Short provided copies of the endorsement letter and congressional letterhead.

    The mailer contains an image of a capitol dome with “Rep. Marilyn Musgrave” and “Member of Congress” below it. The congressional letterhead doesn’t have the image of the dome and Musgrave’s name appears in the corner.

    Short noted “Paid for by the Committee to Elect Bob Watson DA” also appears on the mailer and said Watson paid all postage and production costs.

    He said he believed CREW targeted Musgrave because they considered her vulnerable in her re-election race.

    “It’s just simply a political ploy,” he said.

  12. I’ve heard idle talk about J. Salazar running for gov, but it would probably forfeit a congressional seat, since without the power of incumbency, 3rd would likely revert to its natural Republican edge, assuming GOP didn’t get into another suicidal primary like 2004. John Salazar is considerably more conservative than his little brother, and a strong pro-gun rights guy, so he’d face serious opposition from Democratic left if he ran for gov.  I agree with Joel that time is running out.  It’s fine to wait until after Nov. 1 to see if C and D pass, but wait much later than Dec. 1, and the window of opportunity is basically closed.

  13. Considering that the democrat primary does not have a candidate the left would like anyhow, I’m sure J. Salazar could be the easy favorite to win the party’s nomination.  I’d like to see this scenario.

  14. Run John Run!  I know you could win in R leaning Colorado, in fact you already have proven it in the conservative 3rd CD.  We need a conservative farmer to run our state.

  15. As to Miss Marilyn Musgrave:

    “The lady doth protest to much, methinks!”

    Lawdy, can’t you folks up there to the north come up with something better than Miss Marilyn? I mean, goodness, she’s an embarrassment to the state, much less her supposed constituency.

    Maybe she’d be happier in Kansas where God is an “intelligent designer!”

  19. An ex farmer would work, but it sure would be nice to see someone in the gold dome who still has some dirt under his nails, not just the memory of a noble farmers life.  Spudman for Gov.

  20. The only way I like that scenario is if John can recruit Sen. Isgar to run for the 3rd CD seat.  Otherwise, I can’t think of any of Dem that might be able to retain that seat off the top of my head.  But if John did run, it would be a pretty good bet to assume that he is going to carry the 3rd CD over both Beauprez and Holtzman.  I would also expect him to get a larger than normal share of the 4th CD due to his agricultural roots.

    But overall, I am liking Ritter more and more.  Especially after I saw the latest poll published in Hotline showing him topping Beauprez by a couple of points.  I am hoping that his fundraising #’s will look good when they are published in the next couple of days. If so, he could be sitting pretty after the 2 R’s claw ea. other’s eyes out in the primary for next year.  The chances of the Dem were looking pretty bleak but now it looks like things are getting more interesting.

    Good times!

  22. **BREAKING NEWS**

    I have the list of Independence Institute Donors.  Once and for all we can all know who’s been funding the vote no campaign.  This is huge guys.

  27. I have it now on pretty good authority that Isgar is not leaving his state senate seat. Not for CD3 ot for Lt.Gov.

    I would be pretty surprised if John Salazar ran for Gov. He seems to have set some longer term goals as a Congressman for that.

    I’ve heard a rumor of someone from the much further left thinking about it, but no one seems to know (or willing to admit) who started the rumor. I am hoping it is only a rumor because I don’t want to see the Dems commit political suicide by picking a lefty who doesn’t stand a chance in a statewide race in the general.

    There has been a recent surge of people who I would usually think of as “Green Party Types” entering the Dem party and making some noise about bring the party further left. I am hoping the more “mainstream” Dems will keep out party out of that no-elected-man’s land.

  28. The Colorado Gubernatorial poll published in the Hotline is indeed interesting – no one should discount Ritter, particularly with the freefall the Republican party experiencing.  Beauprez has always been much more vulnerable than the true believers would like to think.  His votes on Social Security, etc. will be great fodder during the campaign.

    The most interesting numbers from the poll I saw in the Hotline:

    In every category tested – Over all, Democrats, Republicans, Independants, Men, Women – Beauprez only tops Ritter in two categories: Republican voters, Beauprez 71% and Ritter 15%; and male voters, Beauprez 45% and Ritter 41%.

    In every other category Ritter tops Beauprez.  In the over all Ritter tops Beauprez 44% to 42%

    But of most interest, Ritter tops Beauprez among women voters 47% to 40%

    It ain’t over till its over friends.

  30. WsJ.com is a subscriiption link. What’s wrong, the topic too hot for you?  See today’s op-ed page piece by Murray on the true underclass. He’s breaking the china again.

  33. So explain this to me, courts in Vermont and Mass. recognize gay marriage or civil unions and the GOP screams that it is “activist judges” usurping the legislatures.  Meanwhile, the California legislature passes gay marriage and the GOP gov. vetoes, saying it should be resolved by the courts.  Which GOP is correct?

    Maybe Donald Johnson can take a break from his many posts to answer this.

  35. More GOP trouble ahead next week?

    Larry Franklin, former aide to neo-con Douglas Feith, will be pleading guilty on at least one of the charges pending aginst him for espionage in conjunction with AIPAC (a right-wing Israeli group with ties to the Likud government).  This in exchange for co-operation – co-operation with what is the question… Franklin has been placed at a meeting in Italy with a Rove advisor, a Cheney advisor, and a pair of Italian intelligence officials; some evidence exists to imply that this meeting was part of the distribution path of the forged Niger-Iraqi uranium sale documents – something Plamegate prosecutor Fitzgerald might be interested in…

    And… Reporter Judith Miller is out of jail and in to the Plamegate Grand Jury tomorrow.  Cheney Chief-of-Staff “Scooter” Libby was apparently the person she was holding out for, though he says he released her over a year ago from her confidentiality pledge.

    Additionally, today the SEC upgraded the inquiry around Sen. Bill Frist’s (belated) shady sale of family company HCA stock to a full-fledged investigation.  I guess when you instruct the blind trust that you supposedly have no control over to dump stock in the family company you’ve held in violation of ethics guidelines for years, just before the stock tanks 15% on bad news, someone might think that was suspicious.  Fortunately, it appears there’s a future for insider traders: new versions of “The Apprentice”.

    And finally, a Federal Judge today rejected the government’s plea to prevent release of some of the more serious Abu Ghraib photos (and videos); Rush will be having a hard time describing child rape as a “Fraternity prank”.

  36. Fair View got it wrong.  Schwarzenegger vetoed the homosexual marriage bill because California voters passed a referendum opposing gay marriage by about 60 percent.Even in California, the expressed will of the people should mean something.

  37. I can believe Katy Atkinson bought a table for Independence Institute.  Caldara vies with Jon Andrews as the professed right winger who has done the most promote passage of C and D by telling obvious lies that backfire and discredit more thoughtful opponents of the referenda, who do exist, albeit in minuscule numbers.  Sometimes a real dumb opponent is worth more than two smart friends.

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