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Keep us up to date on what is found in the surveillance footage. And I’m trying to guess what the perpetrator’s “defense” will be — “that Nazi flyer in the back seat jumped out and attacked me” (???)
The only thing sicker is the Republicans, including those on this site, who continue to defend and deflect criticism of these intimidationist criminals.
It won’t be forgotten.
You blame Obamacare opponents pretty quickly. Did any other cars get vandalized or only this one? If there where others, did they have any obvious political stickers/flyers? (I find it hard to believe that you would have the only car at the event with any sort of political statement on/in it) And finally, is there anyone who you have pissed off recently who might do this?
If the surveillance video shows someone who was obviously targeting you because of the flyer in your back seat, (and I’m sorry, but for someone who would do this for political reasons I would think a bumper sticker is something they would look for rather than something in the back seat) then I won’t defend them any more than I would some punk smashing a car for jollies. But to just out and out blame Republicans for this without proof demonstrates a mob mentality that certainly exceeds anything you claim the anti-Obamacare forces display.
From what I’ve seen of the protesters there is a decent-sized minority of actual, non-astroturfer, honest-to-goodness, real conservatives who are opposed to this plan.
The rest are the Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh opposed-to-anything-Obama-says, hope the country falls apart, do anything to regain political power, tea party attending, extremist right. If this was some other issue, probably any other issue, that the Democrats were trying to change or reform, these same people would be out there using the same tactics.
For the second group, this is less a protest than an excuse to make the media pay attention to them. They are very concerned that if they lose the mid-terms next year they will be out of power for a generation. This just happens to be what Obama chose to focus on in the first year of his first term.
So if you want to defend it on those grounds because you think it’s more justifiable, be my guest.
And no, there were no other cars vandalized that I could see. Mine was pretty clearly targeted.
Please keep deluding yourself into thinking there’s no mob mentality when dozens of people show up with “I am the mob” buttons on and do exactly what Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh told them to do.
And it’s been vandalized.
Look, if someone did this out of political reasons, hang them up.
But you just don’t know, do you?
With their bare fists? In close proximity to many higher value targets?
I wouldn’t know even if someone confessed to the whole thing. People confess to crimes they didn’t commit all the time because they like the attention.
But I believe I have a reasonable suspicion based on the evidence, and considering the behavior of many people at both events I have attended, I think making the inference that at least one person in that crowd would be capable of and motivated to commit such a crimes is more than reasonable.
Hopefully they catch them, but I think you’re jumping the gun blaming it on anti-healthcare folks. Even if they were at the rally, I’ll bet the majority of the opposition to the bill would have turned them in. I would have.
Looking at the damage to your car, I’d think it would have attracted immediate attention. Beating your hood with their fists?
I’ve seen too many stories with surveillance footage showing people being raped or murdered in plain sight with the public just strolling by pretending it’s not happening.
It’s a dark side of human nature to want to avoid getting involved in criminal justice cases. I don’t know if they fear being falsely accused or if they just don’t want to be bothered, or what other dynamic might cause it.
I agree it’s highly unlikely there were no witnesses. None however has chosen to come forward. And while that’s disappointing I can’t say it’s particularly surprising.
I hope you catch the fuckers. I really do. That sucks that it happened.
I think setting up that address at the White House was a mistake. I understand and agree with the reasoning, but the optics of it are really bad. The DNC should be doing it. As a result, I applaud any effort to get as much Viagra spam into the collection of the Obama library as possible at this point.
I already forwarded them an email that was forwarded to me.
It never hurts to know what lies people are telling when they’re lying about you.
You should collect as much data through the White House as you can regarding your political opponents. It could never come back to haunt you.
Had they done it at barackobama.com I’d be fine with it. Not only is it sort of actually creepy to me, the optics of it are really bad.
I do not subscribe to the hyperbolic nonsense the right wing has turned it into (“rat line” etc.), particularly considering their guy actually actively spied on Americans and they had nothing but kudos to say about it.
I do think the White House acted stupidly (to coin a phrase) to even open the door. Nobody would have looked twice if it were Tim Kaine reviving watchdog@barackobama.com. But now that it’s BigBrother@whitehouse.gov…
It’s so unnecessary and pointless. How much of an advantage could it possibly give them to warrant so much exposure to ethics complaints, FOIA requests, etc.
So far they are the only ones taped committing violence at any of these rallies.
Is that reasonable suspicion?
The statement that “So far SEIU are the only ones taped committing violence at any of these rallies” is simply false.
Just like so many other flatly false things being said by opponents of health care reform.
Of violence being perpetrated by anyone else.
You just can’t believe that anyone on your side could do something stupid and violent.
They can. They did.
Get over it.
If they did, go to jail and stop being an embarrassment. But we really have no idea yet.
You don’t know who did it. It could have been anyone.
Is it not clear enough that I think the act is total BS no matter who did it?
if it makes life easier for you.
You know without a doubt who vandalized his car? Would you bet your life on it?
His car, which has political stickers on it, was parked where a “rowdy” demonstration was happening and it was vandalized.
It isn’t much of a stretch to assume that someone who didn’t much care for his stickers vandalized his car.
Any detective worth their salt would look at the most obvious suspects first….
Either that or it could have been a representative of Safeway pissed off that he was shopping at King Soopers….
He said in the video that the only thing marking it was the healthcare stuff in the backseat.
had rainbow stickers on it too.
Half peeled off due to the ravages of time and high pressure car wash. I need to get a new one actually.
Just looking for a reason that your car would be vandalized. Why would you be the target rather than someone else, and why you would be so sure it was politically related. The odds that someone noticed a flyer in your back seat and was incensed enough to bust up your car are tiny. If there isn’t a general pattern of damage on other cars, then there was probably some reason you were targeted, such as a heated run-in with someone at the the event. Did something like that happen? Outside of your own biases, what basis do you have for accusing someone on the other side?
And parked in a spot that was far, far away from the storefront because I didn’t want to add to the congestion for people who were just trying to get their groceries and the lot was already very full.
Most people were already congregating at the storefront, so I would think very few people (if any) saw me park or get out of my car, and my car is so unremarkable it would be amazing that anyone would remember which car was mine even if they did see me arrive. It’s a Chevy Cavalier. They looked exactly the same from 1996-2005. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to the wrong car because there was one just like mine parked in the same general area.
I did have heated discussions with several people, and I was taping the thing which really pisses people off. But like I say I just don’t know how anyone could or would have connected me to my car. Once I got there I never went back to it until it was time to leave.
And even in the heated discussions only one could I interpret as threatening. And he didn’t threaten me, but the guy standing next to me. Though it was a very provocative threat (he was clearly trying to goad the other guy into taking a swing at him, and fortunately failed) I don’t think it was a serious one. And it didn’t involve vandalizing cars.
I’d be very surprised if they used language encouraging violence.
Just this last Thursday. Every day they do it.
Assuming they share it with me, I don’t know if it’s up to the police or King Soopers. I plan to call Monday and find out.
If so, I think I liked him better when he was wasting his time running his pathetic, losing campaigns against Lamborn.
But I have no idea what that actually consists of. He could just be a local name to headline things, or they could have a whole Colorado operation, I don’t know. Clearly AFP has some influence because I saw at least two people wearing their t-shirts. But there is more than one channel through which people get their Frank Luntz talking points. Of course AFP has several front groups all of its own to give the illusion of broad support, so people may be getting directions from Crank without even knowing it.
It’s not like they keep it a secret, either– they all say they’re projects of AFP, but the press never seems to notice that, and reports them as if they were independent from one another.
Referring to a political group as a bunch of “teabaggers” is MSNBC sophomoric-type stuff. You do a disservice to your arguments by using language like that.
Tea Party attendees? Far-right fringe protesters? Whatever doesn’t offend.
Actually, how about this: I’ll stop referring to them as teabaggers as soon as they stop calling the President, Democrats, and just about anybody that disagrees with them Nazis.
As soon as the left stops calling us Nazi’s. They have an 8 year head start.
Such as the facts that the Right in America has come to stand for an attitude of bellicose jingoism in international relations, aggressive unilateral military aggression abroad, human rights abuses and the defense of torture in the treatment of people often kidnapped off of foreign streets on little or no evidence, the insertion of religious fanaticism into politics and education, an anti-intellectual and anti-scientific commitment to blind and irrational ideological beliefs, xenophobic and homophobic bigotry, and a commitment to perpetual social injustice and indifference to unecessary human suffering at home based on an economically illiterate (and empirically discredited) opposition to any collective political effort to improve the human condition.
No one should call the American Right “Nazis,” but whatever word we do come up with for it, it’s not going to have a pretty connotation in the eyes of future generations of humanity.
As opposed to “passive aggression,” maybe?
Oops.
Except maybe the “Soup Nazi.”
In fact I have regularly exposed fellow lefties as well as righties. When I maintained my own blog I had a whole category for “Specious Hitler References.”
So try again, teabagger.
were the fringe left. If you think the vast majority of lefties on this site ever called Bush or Republicans Nazis–let alone protested against a domestic reform policy by using swastikas and saying there would be a holocaust–you’re either insane or lying.
But if I could go back in time, and tell all those Code Pink protesters to stop doing it, I would. Come to think of it, I haven’t seen any lefties call any righties Nazis since the anti-war protests died down.
But go right along and keep doing the thing that you are mad at the other side of the political spectrum for doing. It doesn’t make you a hypocrite at all. Nope. Not one bit.
Like Al Gore calling us brownshirts? Wasn’t he a Democratic presidential candidate or something?
Or Senator Robert Byrd comparing Bush to Herman Goering. Yep he’s been denounced as the fringe many times here (snark off).
And what about former Senator John Glenn? Just go to the last paragraph on page 2. Yep he was commonly thought to be a nutjob right?
Sorry, you can’t get a pass here. Bush/Republicans=Nazi was part and parcel of mainstream Democratic thought during the previous administration.
that the human rights abuses abroad and civil rights abuses at home perpetrated by the Bush administration were well beyond the pale motivated some extreme language. But, you know, condoning the torture of often innocent individuals kidnapped off of foreign streets and held without due process tends to excite some people. Crazy, isn’t it?
That Democratic Party leaders, elected to their posts, were using the meme. Not just the nutters out on the street. Not some talker on the radio. If there is an elected Republican out there calling President Obama a Nazi, I would love to hear about it too.
is that, while I agree that it was never helpful or appropriate to call Bush a “Nazi,” you can’t equate calling Obama a “Nazi” to calling Bush a “Nazi” because you can’t equate Obama to Bush. Bush DID commit crimes against humanity; Obama has not and, presumably, will not. And that, my friend, makes all the difference.
You mean like renditions? Or the ongoing war in which the President seems intent to continue in the footsteps of his predecessor? We still have all those innocents held in Guantanamo Bay. Are those the crimes you refer to?
most of the innocents are no longer in Gitmo. Nor was Gitmo a policy which the current president created, but rather a problem which his predecessor bequeathed to him. Renditions, the sudden reversal from our national commitment to prosecute those who used waterboarding for war crimes to a defense of waterboarding as our own policy, the attempt to make an end-run around the Constitution (which a conservative Court nipped), the initiation of a policy of unprovoked military invasion of sovereign nations (yes, I know, it’s always when we attack a “bad guy,” and kill tens of thousands of innocent people in the process, because the bad guy is provoking us just by being a bad guy), these are just a few of the crimes against humanity of which I speak.
Not surprisingly, you don’t understand the difference between inheriting a problem that must then be unravelled, and creating the problem that must then be unravelled. The Bush administration has left a dark stain on our national reputation that jingoists will never understand, but that has justly incited the world’s disdain. We now have a president who represents the precise opposite, even as he must struggle with the miasma that his predecessor left for him to clean up.
started in the 90s with Clinton.
The people calling Obama Hitler and demanding his birth certificate were the same ones calling Clinton Hitler and joining militias, and the same ones fighting desegregation in schools, and the same ones attacking civil rights protesters in the 60s.
It must suck to have no memory beyond 2000. Did you find “Memento” particularly spoke to you?
Justice and consistency is subject to the judge’s whim.
It’s called CREDIBILITY, try it sometime.
He’s one of the classiest Congressman’s out there.
As for the heckler – what a dope. I find it funny this idiot chants “read the bill” when in fact every member of the Democratic Party in the House read the bill in a 5 hour study session together. The same can’t be said for those on the far right of the aisle – which shows since they’re just making up shit as they go.
The teabaggers, birthers, deathers, etc. are all just a bunch of thugs there to intimidate and harass. Good on Congressman Perlmutter for being a much much better man than them.
It has to be incredibly scary to go do this. And it’s a rough event. The ones going out (Ed, Jared, etc) have my utmost respect for doing this.
ps – This is why I am contemptuous of Udall – he ran away from Code Pink (and stopped having public events). Code Pink – the wussiest protestors in the world.
He should have one- hear his district, rally his base, you know- represent.
Coffman Announces Town Hall Meetings
**MEDIA ADVISORY**
Coffman Announces Town Hall Meetings
В· Who: Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Aurora)
В· What: Arapahoe / Jefferson Counties town hall meeting
В· When: Wednesday, August 12, 6:30 p.m.
В· Where: East Hearing Room, Arapahoe County Administration Building, 5334 South Prince Street, Littleton, CO, 80166
Apparently Douglas COunty and ELbert to follow
With only a few exceptions, my friends, neighbors, and relatives want competent government with minimal drama. When it comes to public gatherings, they tend to insist on civility almost to the point of stifling frankness. I doubt that they’re all that different form most mainstream Americans. While it’s not clear to me how much of the far right’s antics the American mainstream has seen so far, this kind of conduct will not be welcome. The only real question is what will constitute the ultimate tipping point. Will the protesters’ raging and carrying on be enough, or will there have to be some kind of political violence (e.g., a shooting rampage) before the center comes down hard on these people?
That’s unlawful is coming squarely from the SEIU, which your President called out. Glad you know how to use italics, but it doesn’t make you correct.
is a bit off-point. Stagarites’ phrase in italics was referring to rude and uncivil behavior, not unlawful behavior. You took his question about the escalation of said rudeness into violence and used it to make a cheap shot at the SEIU and to make sure we all know you don’t consider Obama to be your president. I think most of us already had that figured out.
I would really like to hear your answer to a question I asked of a Republican acquaintance of mine, a man I respect very much, last week. I asked him,” Who is the leader of the Republican party”? His answer…”It doesn’t have one”.
So I ask you? Where does this all wind up? Who is gonna back down? The “right” is spoiling for a fight and being incited by corporate America. The “right” are the gun nuts, remember? Why shouldn’t we expect violence from you? Listen to the rhetoric your heroes and leaders spew.
Where is the leadership of the Republican party that is going to stop this nonsense? Are you all prepared to let this situation descend into violent conflict?
The insurance industry, and the oil and gas industry, and the food industry, and the banking industry…etc., ad nauseum. What do they have in common? They are the purchasers of congressmen and all sorts of elected officials. They are the owners of the airwaves (the communications industry). They are the giver of goodies, if you are willing to play the game.
Corporate ideology and the free market exist with only one imperative…maximum profit. Many people within every industry try to hold their own companies accountable, but ultimately, the profit addiction will usually win out. After all, it is the life blood of the corporate entity.
The insurance industry and its’ allies are spending millions to influence elected officials at all levels and to incite crowds to rude, uncivil, and confrontational behavior. If they think that the proponents of health insurance reform will back down in the face of such base behavior, I submit they are in error.
“Government by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish…..”
Everything you say is correct. Not only do they buy the legislative process and the courts, they even get people to vote against their own best interests! They are good!
Just read yesterday that bank fees, mostly bounced check charges, have doubled since 2000, something like $38 B billion dollars. Same companies that needed your tax dollars last fall.
He took the corporate interests straight on – and mostly won.
that each of us find the “Teddy Roosevelt” within and resist this affront to Americas’ dignity. Unlike real, patriotic Americans, these deranged zealots did not and will not accept the will of the majority.
I remember having feelings similar to those expressed by these loudmouths when George Bush was given the presidency by his daddys’ buddies on the Supreme Court. I am sure I used the word “Nazi” more than once. But I never proposed nor participated in any activity even remotely like the disruptive mobbing of government functions we are seeing now.
Instead, we pressed our point of view through the process that made America great. Democracy. And we won. Now we see that the democratic process isn’t good enough for these right wing terrorists who are trying to scare us into submission. Anarchy is their goal. Well, we didn’t back down in 1968 and we’re not backing down now.
The American people have had enough of being fleeced by the wealthy fatcats that have designed a corporate aristocracy that enriches the few and empoverishes the many. That is not the promise of America.
So I say to all the “birthers” and “deathers” and all you bible toting bigots and corporate goons who are trying to bring down our duly elected government with your strong arm tactics.
Bring it on, bitches.
LB is fully capable of understanding exactly what I meant and consciously deploys a fallacious tu quoque argument to dodge the question I ask in the header: where’s the tipping point? With LB you see exactly the kind of intellectual dishonesty and casual thuggery that’s rotting the GOP from the inside out. There’s no point in talking to these people so long as they’re not playing by the rules of rational discourse. The only question is what to do about them. In a roundabout way, that gets back to my tipping point question. Overt expressions of racism are no longer welcome in polite society, it’s getting that way with homophobia. At some point, the hammer is going to come down on belligerent political ignorance too. It’s just a question of when. Everybody is getting tired of the baggers, but they’re still viewed as harmless kooks. My question is: at what point does the American mainstream stop regarding them as harmless?
Is everyone at these rallies a “bagger”? Are they all contrived, loony protesters, driven by racial hatred and selfishness?
Here’s my problem with the left’s response to the protests:
You’re not discussing the issues. You’re not discussing what the bill actually says.
You’ve (collective “you”, btw, nobody in particular) spent nearly all of your energy calling people racists, trying to prove ‘astroturfing’ when there is at least if not more contrived support as there is opposition to the bill. Called out unions to pack supposedly open town hall meetings, to “drown out” opposition (that language was scrubbed from the SEIU website yesterday in a shocker) and intimidate protesters. The White House actually was dumb enough to start up this “fishy” rat-on-your-neighbor-if-he-opposes-the-President’s-domestic-policy email address. If you don’t think that’s going to come back and haunt them, you’re fooling yourself.
I consider myself to be a civil man. I wouldn’t be caught dead screaming at anyone at a town hall.
The behavior disgusts me, but so does the response, and I resent the knee-jerk use of racism as the blanket defense to nearly every opposition to Obama’s policies. Most Americans know it’s a bullshit response and a canard that’s thrown out to be an indefensible accusation to deflect actually having to listen to the opposing point or lend it any credence. And it will end up detracting from the credibility of the accuser.
Are there racists at these protests? Undoubtedly. Are most of the protesters or Republicans racist? Not a chance.
Is anyone interested in a dialogue on what I see as the problems with the bill (as we know it) itself? I’ve been talking about a diary, but I don’t want to have a conversation if we’re going to blame ‘baggers’, etc. for legitimate philosophical problems with the ‘reform’ as it’s written. It’s a waste of time.
Let me know.
Currently there’s a total of 5 bills out there. 3 in the House, 2 in the Senate.
That’s what irritates me.
“Read the Bill”. Which Bill?
Until we have a finished product, until we know for sure if there’ll be a public option, until we know the particulars, we don’t know anything.
Being nervous and concerned is rational. Just showing up and chanting idiocy and shouting down those who are trying to exchange ideas is what assholes do. “Just say no”. “Read the Bill”.
Why don’t “you” let this thing take shape before you try to intimidate legislators into caving in and letting the status quo win.
5 bills. 3 in the House and 2 in the Senate.
No death panels.
If you want to continue to support Hensley’s lifestyle, keep your plan.
And, God forbid your freinds find out you’re doing this……listen to the President today, in Bozeman tomorrow, and in Grand Junction later this week.
…if we don’t know what’s in the bill?
I’m not intimidating anyone. I don’t want single payer or a public option, so I’d be glad to talk about those aspects of whatever form of bill is out there.
If we don’t have a finished bill, why the incredible pressure to have it on his desk before the recess?
How exactly are we going to pay for the costs, and are the costs being accurately forecasted?
Shall we listen for the answers? That would be what adults do.
“On the desk before recess” is a strawman. The 168 repub amendments to the proposed legislation alone assured there would be no debate before recess and the President knew it and said it 2 weeks ago. Nothing reaches the President’s desk until it’s a single piece of legislation and has been voted on in both chambers.
Rep. Perlmuter spent the better part of 2 hours talking about the contents of the bill, with the thousand bill in hand last evening.
Like so many other comments by opponents of health care reform.
already this year.
It hasn’t stopped Republican nutjobs on this site or elsewhere from claiming to be oppressed.
But I just got a fundraising email about a guy whose car was vandalized at a Perlmutter town hall. His first and last name were the same as your first and last initials.
That email really pissed me off. I didn’t vandalize your car. And I am damned sure not going to pay for it.
Having had a car vandalized in the past, I certainly feel your pain. But I paid the deductible for that my damned self. You should too.
You should also consider that allowing your own personal misfortune to be used in a fundraising campaign makes you look like a whore.
Like that guy in St. Louis, you know? Different politics, same M.O.
MJD = Michael J. Ditto.
Sorry you’re pissed off, but I didn’t sign up to have $1,000 taken out of my pocket by some right-wing thug. It wasn’t just vandalized, it was nearly totaled. $2,916 of damage to a car with a blue book best-case of $2,975. They might still total it– they haven’t issued the go-ahead to fix it. And if the perp is caught and they manage to extract restitution, I’ll cut a check for $1,000 back to ProgressNow.
You’re welcome to your opinion. It cost you nothing to receive that e-mail. Delete it if you don’t like it.
It cost me $1,000 (plus rental car costs, and the loss of my car for 2 weeks) to bring you that video of the event, on my own time, with no compensation for it. My employer has rallied behind me to raise the money to pay the deductible so that I can get back and forth to work (a car with no mirrors is not road legal). And they thought it was wrong that I should have to cough up a thousand dollars because of my support for health insurance reform, something my employer also supports as a core function of its mission.
I am deeply thankful for their support. If you don’t want to chip in, you don’t have to. It’s a free country (until Obama makes you face the death panel that is!).
As for equating me with the guy in St. Louis, that’s just beneath you. That guy is, in fact, demonstrably a fraud. My car is in fact, demonstrably damaged. Possibly totaled. You’re comparing snake oil to penicillin.
But I blog on Pols almost exclusively for the purpose of cross-posting something from ProgressNow which has been my primary blogging location since long before I got a job there, and long before Pols became a community site. It was just more fun than my MovableType blog that I’m always breaking because I use it for development. Haven’t posted there (visibly) in years, I just leave it up for posterity.
Can you post a link to where to make the donation?
http://tinyurl.com/lwgshb
I live in his district.
I’m sorry that this occurred. For most of the time the right wing were drowned out by supporters.
I only heard one idiot shouting Nazi Health Care.
I spoke to several Vietnam vets against the proposal, but we had a good discussion and agreed to disagree.
I have no idea how they equate medicine reform to the Nazis. It’s insulting to Jews, to Russians, and many other ethnic and minority groups.
Right wing violence, ironically, at these events reminds me of tactics used by the SA prior to 1933.
Which right wing violence at town hall events related to healthcare are you referring to?
I was unaware of the vehicle until I read it here.
Perhaps violence is an overstatement. I’ve seen the Sen. Spector videos. Plenty of intimidation tactics. Lot’s of talk about guns.
What does the murder of 6 million Jews, 6 million other minorities and 20 million russians have to do wtih wanting to insure 25% of the American public?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…