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December 22, 2017 10:31 PM UTC

Christmas Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

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  1. Why would anyone complain about drilling in and around their homes?  I mean, who hasn't had an "industrial accident" or two in their neighborhood?

    Fire at Weld County oil site lights up the night sky Friday, one worker injured
    The injured worker was taken to a local hospital, fire described as “industrial accident”

    When Dems do take back the legislature (again), maybe we can ask them why they haven't solved the problem of oil and gas folks threatening our homes to pad their bottom line.

     

  2. That's the sixth injury or death from oil and gas in Weld County this year. 

    1. In April, 2017, in Firestone, Colorado, two people were killed  and two injuredwhen Anadarko’s leaking gas pipeline exploded and blew up a home.

    2.In May 2017, in Mead, CO 3 injured, 1 killed. Energy Svcs paid $29,000 penalty. Denver Post also reported that Anadarko owned the tank battery, which was probably defective. 

    3. Also in May, a worker at a Synergy site was badly burned when vapor from fracking water in a tank caught fire. Yes, fracking water burns. Greeley Tribune

    4. In November in Greeley, one man died and three were injured in a gas pipeline fire. Company was PDC energy.

    If I included all of the injuries, property damage, vehicle accidents from tankers, and “shake n bake” earthquakes, these totals would be much higher. The oil and gas industry has a terrible safety record, not even including risk to the public.

    The oil and gas industry is killing off men – mostly young men, mostly working class men, often Mexican immigrants whose injuries may remain unreported. Many of these oil workers are young men without documents, eager for money, taking lower wages than their skilled and trained counterparts. I know because I've had students go to work in the industry. They were offered very low wages and they don't get workmen's compensation for injuries, because they may not have documents.  The O&G industry has been injuring and killing men in Colorado for at least ten years:

    4. In 2008, the Odessa American reported:

    The fatality rate for oil and gas workers in the U.S. between 2002 and 2007 was more than 29 deaths per 100,000 workers, or about seven times the average for all occupations, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    That rate went higher during the "boom". From 2003 – 2013, according to the CDC,

    During 2003–2013, 1,189 oil and gas extraction industry employees died while working, resulting in an average of 108 deaths per year.

    This is seven times higher than that for all workers in the US. Colorado lost 51 oilfield workers during 03-2014, per Denver Post's analysis.

    And they want to put a 24 well pad for this accident prone industry next to a K-8 school in Greeley, Bella Romero. And Greeley legislator and Treasurer candidate Dave Young won't say a peep about it.

    Let's have a Christmas carol of Frackenlooper, COGA, Vicki Marble, and all the Colorado GOP singing "Jobsjobsjobs, y'all! "

     

    That fire you referenced, Psuedo, is on equipment owned by Extraction, the same company that wants to frack the soccer field at Bella Romero K-8 school in Greeley. . The same company that paid for Senator Vicki Marble’s big dinner.
    The hearing on Marble’s ethics violation is in 2 weeks.

    Something you can do: pledge to sign a petition (http://corising.org/pledge/ ) to pressure lawmakers to vote for O&G setbacks from schools and residences.

      1. Points to the eagle-eyed cook. I saw "Colorado City" in the headline, assumed he was from here. Took it out. Replaced it with another incident where a guy was burned from the fracking water catching on fire. Still too many young people dying from preventable oilfield accidents.

        And Greeley City Council still wants to allow Extraction Oil & Gas , which owns this latest explosion and fatality, to run operations 500 feet from a playground at Bella Romero K-8 Academy.

        If it was a rich suburban school, if the kids were mostly white instead of mostly brown, the world would react in horror at the proximity of 24 oil and gas wells to children's developing lungs and brains. Especially from a company with such a crap safety record.

    1. Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Pick the ones you like. Also available in your references articles – Comparing a hazardous industry with all industries, mixing per capita statistics with absolute numbers, not mentioning that the per capita numbers continue to improve year after year. The industry is getting safer. There are dangerous industries out there, construction, manufacturing, and resource extraction. They all allow you to live a very comfortable life, but no without a cost. They all generally get safer year in and year out.

      1. Just quoting "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics" doesn't invalidate the point that the oil and gas industry is killing way too many people.

        Getting safer year in and year out? Says who? Not the Center for Disease Control. Not the Department of Labor. Perhaps CRED or COGA, one of the industry organs you probably work for, has handpicked statistics that show a positive trend on workplace safety.

        But only if they ignore tanker and truck accidents while transporting fuels, on the job injury lawsuits that are still in litigation, and anecdotal reports from worker publications.

        So, dotzero, trot out your stats showing how safe the oil and gas industry is becoming.  I doubt that you can or you will, but it is the season of miracles.

        1. Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Pick the ones you like . . .

          The industry is getting safer . . . 

          Ummmm, . . . 

          I’m gonna’ choose, “B – Damn Lies”.  Final answer!

  3. Stupid Democrats still don’t get the Cynical game Republicans play when talking about deficits and the debt:

    “It’s wrong from just about every angle,” said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a progressive think tank. “First off, people don’t really care about the deficit.”

    1. You're onto something there, R & R. Over in our backward neighbor, Utah, a few dozen rural county commissioners carry more weight with the state legislature and the congressional delegation than a million voters on the Wasatch Front. And those commissioners are strongly supported by the extractive industries. That is a big reason why national monuments; proven economic drivers for local rural communities; are under attack (economic references: Headwaters Economics, Bozeman, MT). 

    2. That Post article doesn't mention anything about the growing Democratic influence on the eastern plains, and all over Colorado.

      Democrats were marginalized; not any more. We are holding forums, (like this recent forum in Yuma for the Attorney General candidates)  marching in parades, registering voters. Still outnumbered in red counties, but making our presence felt.

       

      But that doesn't fit the "Divided rural counties" narrative, so it will be unmentioned.

       

    3. We are more-often-than-not our own worst enemy. We insinuate we have some moral high-ground because we’re rural, that we somehow can’t be understood ​. How many times have we read in print the word liberal from our favorite watermelon farmer or junior senator over the past decade in the most negative of light? Pictures of Obama tears by our sitting state Senator?  The renewable energy standard, as one example, represents the framework for one of the most aggressive transfers of wealth from the Front Range to the eastern plains, yet was legislation vehemently opposed by our reps.  

      We can change the dynamic – many young people have a yearning to go back to ‘Grandma and Grandpas’ farm.  They are interested in new crops like industrial hemp and organic food production. But-not-for the knee-jerk moretoriums put in place by rural county commissioners in 2012 post-Amendment 64 many of the 20,000 direct jobs in the cultivation side of the industry could have been in rural communities.  

      The growing organic food space and CSU’s leadership (globally) makes ideas like transitioning the Ogallala aquifer region away from its current paradigm a natural fit for bringing new life back to our communities. 

      All this requires drivers like public policy – mandates our rural elected representatives generally eschew. High-speed internet is a must (yet our rural senator supported the repeal of Net Neutrality); the upcoming Farm Bill rewrite needs a new focus: a New Deal with rural America. The promised infrastructure bill is rumored to have a much broader focus than originally thought – perhaps opening doors for rural communities beyond a road-rail-bridge-airport focus. Fingers crossed  

      Given the rich abundance of natural resources in rural Colorado the unnecessary implosion of our communities is reversible – but not until we stop acting as though we can be independent in an interdependent state economy. 

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