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January 04, 2018 11:42 AM UTC
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If Mirick was a Democrat you'd argue he had paid his debt to society. Shameless smears.
I agree. He has paid his debt to society but how does that overcome the Greeley city charter that prohibits convicted felons from serving on the city council?
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. He claims the conviction was reduced to a misdemeanor. Do you have proof it wasn't?
I don't have to prove anything. Mr. Mirick is the one who is asserting his felony conviction was automatically reduced to a misdemeanor. Once upon a time I was a prosecutor and when a defendant pleads guilty to a charge that is the end of the process. Never in my career have I ever heard of a felony being reduced to a misdemeanor after the defendant has served his sentence.
But assuming Mr. Mirick is telling the truth and it was one of the terms in his plea bargain then it will be reflected in the court records. If it isn't in the records it didn't happen and he isn't telling the truth.
And lets assume you’re correct about your assertion of hypocrisy. What does that have to do with the Greeley city charter? Even if someone involved is a hypocrite that doesn’t change the fact Mr. Mirick pleaded guilty to a felony and doesn’t change the consequences of his plea.
There is a process in California under which an individual convicted of a "wobbler" (i.e., an offense that can be charged as either a felony or a misdemeanor) can have a felony conviction converted to a misdemeanor conviction, provided that the individual was sentenced only to county jail and/or probation.
However, it requires that the individual file a petition–it doesn't happen automatically. If Mirick had gone through the process there would be a judicial record of the proceedings.
Apparently the Judge (Thursday Update) don’t need no proof, eh Fluffy? . . .
Apparently, Judge Kopcow was convinced, Moddy. Now what say you?
So, now you're mad because you assert that we would cover for him if he was "one of ours", but you're mad because we're doing the exact opposite to Steve Lebsock, who is by your definition "one of ours".
We’re all “lawless, liberal trash” here . . .
. . . that’s just the way we roll.
I would argue that anyway, but the correct response to that is to change the Greeley city charter, not to ignore it.
Clarification: there are some felonies for which an explicit commutation should be required to regain certain rights.
If you commit fraud or obstruction against the election system, you should be barred from voting for life. If you commit fraud against the government, you should not be allowed to hold a government position of trust. A commutation of this extra penalty recognizing your efforts at reform should be the only way out of this IMHO.
what?!
reasonable, thoughtful rhetoric with both logic and a conclusion?
We want fire and slurs.
They should seat him. He has paid his debt to society.
Besides, the only difference between him and many other Republicans is that he got caught, prosecutor, and did his time.
He should retain Judge Roy Moore to represent him in his court case.
Judge Moore is going to be busy – replacing Jeff Sessions.
fckng Alabama.
We all know football causes brain damage – but jayzus.
What was he convicted of?
Forgery according to the report. Stole thousands from his employer.
No thanks, don't need him on City Council.
That's not what the voters said, and this came out before the election…
Like your buddy losing the popular vote, but becoming President after it came out that he committed sexual assault.
That's an interesting standard. The US Constitution requires that Senators be 30 years old and Representatives be 25 years old.
Is it your position that an 18 year old elected to the Senate or the House should be seated?
Assuming not, since you'd have to be a moron to think otherwise, how is that different from the situation in Greeley?
Interesting fact, old time. When Henry Clay was first sent tothe u.s. Senate by the kentucky legislature, he was only 29.he served anyway.
You mean they didn't have "Agers" demanding to see proof that he was over 30?
If only they had Trump PI who went to Hawaii "and you wouldn't believe stuff he uncovered" back then…..
He's not the only one, but the mistake hasn't been repeated since 1818 or so.
Even more amazing fact about Henry Clay. He eas elected speaker of the House in his First term in the house. Obviously, it wasn't that powerful at the time. He made the speakership a very powerful post and I don't think a freshman will ever win it again.
Is the Greeley Tribune's description of the arguments of counsel accurate? Who can say, seeing as how the state of legal reporting is and long has been almost entirely atrocious. Unless you're reading a piece authored by someone with actual knowledge of and experience with the procedural and substantive legal issues involved, you can safely assume that whoever wrote what you're reading is fulla shit.
But let's assume for discussion's sake that the Trib reporter who wrote the above-quoted article isn't a clueless ninny and accurately described the proceedings. On that assumption, the lawyers are the clueless ninnies.
The relevant Greeley City Charter provision (Article II, Section 2.4) says that "[a] person who has been convicted of a felony shall not be eligible to become a candidate for a City office." That being true, whether or not Mr. Mirick's felony "was automatically reduced to a misdemeanor after Mirick completed jail time and probation" is utterly bereft of relevance. He was "convicted of a felony," namely forgery. That's a matter of historical fact that no post-conviction hocus pocus can change.
If Mirick's attorneys really want to get anal, they should argue that the charter provision only precludes convicted felons from becoming candidates; it doesn't preclude them from actually holding office. The candidate ship has long since sailed and reached its new port. Yeah, I know, but sillier arguments than that succeed with shocking regularity.
The more interesting question is whether municipal voters (the plaintiffs in this case, according to the Trib) have standing to contest a candidate's eligibility for municipal office after an election.
Isn't there a Monfort that can just tell someone what they want?
I've always been a fan of grammar. For one, unlike football, it doesn't cause brain damage. "If Mirick's attorneys really want to get anal,…"
That and your user name have me thinking all kinds of things about politics, which are always local.
I wrote about this last December. This is apparently the lawsuit filed by his opponent’s sister (and campaign manager) and other interested residents.
Greeley is a home rule city. Its home rule charter says that a convicted felon may not serve on its council. It should be an easy call for the judge.
Only the Colorado Pols' Official Take© can be referenced in future versions of this story. Pols-sters (that's us peons with only Commenter status) will not be FP'd unless they follow the approved language and topic guide for Republicans (Boo!) and Democrats (Yea!)
The earlier story was promoted as well. What made this newsworthy again was the day in court and the Tribune's reporting.
Good …….. they should promote you more often.
They need an El Paso Pols correspondent as well……unless EPC doesn’t matter and can be politically ignored.
EPCO is so corrupt, it's like you just break the surface and nastiness bubbles out…but I haven't tried to break the surface and no one's giving me EPCO tips right now.
For a while there, the different factions in the GOP were reporting the mess on each other, and that was cool. Apparently, that is no longer a thing, though. You can usually count on the real journalists (the Gazette and Independent) to bring out EPCO news.
Appears the Greeley election official (city clerk) does not check candidate veracity. At all.
Also appears that Greeley voters don't care what's in the Greeley City Charter.
It's doesn't change the fact that if Mirick was a Democrat Colorado Pols would be ignoring the entire story.
Like Pols ignored the Lebsock story? What basis do you even have for your pathetic aasertion nutlid? Back up your claims.
If you were my student, I'd be having you do some remedial work on the difference between fact and opinion.
Your opinion is that if Mirick were a Democrat, Pols would be ignoring the story (just as they did NOT do with Lebsock, Nelson, probably others I don't remember.) That is not a fact.
A fact is measurable, and verifiable via an objective source, i.e. unedited video or independent witnesses.
An opinion exists primarily in the thinker's mind. "Alternative facts" are not a thing in the real world.
Glad to help out.
I think you is casting your pearls before a swine, mj, but thanks for trying anyway.
That's an insult to swine.
Yeah, and those pigs really get annoyed every time Moldy wallows in the mud with them, really stinking up the place!